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Yes, I’m glad this won’t be swept under the rug. Call me crazy, but I think Charming and Snow would actually understand Neal if they knew his reason was to get Emma home and to let her be the savior since it’s the same reason David and Snow let Emma go through the wardrobe.
If there’s anyone who actually has the capacity to empathise with Neal’s actions, it’s Emma’s parents, because they had to abandon her for Curse reasons, just like he did. And their relationship with Emma is damaged because of their actions, just like Neal’s is. And had he not left her, Snow and Charming may well have never seen her again, so I actually think they’d appreciate the sacrifice he made, for their sake.
I know the opposing side has a completely opposite interpretation of how Emma’s parents would feel about Neal though. So that’s why it will be a relief to see their reaction actually clarified in canon, so the speculation and debating can end.
[adrotate group="5"]RumplesGirl wrote: Are we ever going to see Pinocchio (Eion Bailey) again?
Kitsis and Horowitz: Yes.See what happened here is that the writer of the article went and assumed the person was asking about August, which they probably were, but Kitswitz have given the answer based on Pinocchio, and we’ve seen that pic of Pinocchio’s hat from one of the crew members when they were shooting a recent ep. So this really tells us nothing about seeing more August, which was probably the actual intent of the question. *headdesk*
But you forget that Adam and Eddy also mentioned a few times that we are supposed to find out how August knew Neal was Baelfire sometime this Season, so it could easily be referring to that too. At least I hope they do, and that idea isn’t just forgotten about.
They could have been referring to that I suppose. It’s just that they tend to choose their words particularly in these lightening rounds, and so if “Pinocchio” was the wording in the question, I think they were answering about the kid in SB, not August, and we know from the hat pic that the kid in SB will indeed be seen again. But yes, we do absolutely need another August appearance in flashback, and I’m sure we’ll get that at some point. Just not convinced that’s what they were referring to with this particular answer.
Will Snow and Charming (Josh Dallas) find out about Neal (Michael Raymond-James) sending Emma to jail?
Horowitz: Neal sending Emma to jail comes up again and is dealt with.Thank God. So much speculation around how various characters feel about that, so some canon reactions to it all will be welcome.
Is there a connection between Tinker Bell (Rose McIver) and Belle (Emilie de Ravin)?
Horowitz: Other than their names rhyming, they’re not part of the Bell family. That’s a clever idea, but that’s not the case.*moment of silence for Tinker Momma*
Will Ursula (Yvette Nicole Brown) return this season?
Horowitz: Perhaps.If I’d got a question in in time, I’d have asked if Ariel will still be around in the second half of the season. Seeing them “perhaps” an Ursula return gives me a little bit of hope for S3.2 Ariel.
Are we ever going to see Pinocchio (Eion Bailey) again?
Kitsis and Horowitz: Yes.See what happened here is that the writer of the article went and assumed the person was asking about August, which they probably were, but Kitswitz have given the answer based on Pinocchio, and we’ve seen that pic of Pinocchio’s hat from one of the crew members when they were shooting a recent ep. So this really tells us nothing about seeing more August, which was probably the actual intent of the question. *headdesk*
The other I think is going to be Charming’s dad as he’s been missing and they need to have a charming centric story, which works welll with Ginny’s pregnancy, and Charming realizing he is going to be a dad again, which might be good for backstory parallel to his own father.
Agreed! If ever there would be a good time for them to fill in the story about Charming’s father, it’d be when Charming is about to become a second time father himself.
I just had a moment of clarity in the chat when Mickstemp mentioned that if Emma runs away from her feelings for Neal in S3 to date Hook, then she’ll be doing the exact same thing that Neal did by choosing to pursue Tamara rather than seek out Emma after she broke the curse. Tamara would be to Neal as Hook would be to Emma (except without the Tamara only pretending to be in love thing since Hook seems to have sincere feelings for Emma). Neal said the biggest regret of his life was letting his fear of rejection stand in the way of his belief in love. By choosing not to deal with her insecurities and feelings for Neal, Emma would essentially be taking the easy way out and letting fear stand in her way of a second chance with Neal, whom she truly loves. Doing the hard thing means facing the fear of rejection in order to believe in love.
That’s such a great observation, it really would be the same situation! It may even be a necessary process that Emma will have to go through, before she’s able to fully understand what Neal himself did.
As far as spoilery speculation goes, I’m honestly not worried about Neal being tossed down another portal or anything like that. It’s been done twice now, plus we’ve seen him carried between worlds via Shadow, so I really doubt they’d rehash it. I think that whatever’s going on in NYC has to have something to do with him, because it just wouldn’t make sense for them to even be in NYC for any reason that didn’t involve Neal somehow. The police station stuff makes me think that it will most likely be something to do with Tamara’s disappearance. I hope it IS that, because like KFC said, even people who don’t ship SF, in fact in particular people who don’t ship SF, want to see Neal dealing with the aftermath of his relationship with Tamara. And people hate Neal for having got off without jail time while Emma got locked up, so having Neal incarcerated for the Tamara thing might placate some of that anti-Neal sentiment, because karma will have caught up to him from some people’s point of view. It looks like the statute of limitations on grand theft in AZ is 7 years, (*adding to the list of things I never thought I’d google, but OUAT made me do it* http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/criminal-case-statute-of-limitations/AZ-felonies-misdemeanors.htm ), so they couldn’t write a story where he does hard time for the watch theft, but if he’s being investigated for Tamara’s disappearance, and the cops can’t punish him for the watches, they’ll probably try extra hard to pin Tamara’s disappearance on him. He wouldn’t be able to tell the truth of what happened to her, and his father, who would be his defense lawyer, is the one who actually killed her, in a magical land. Everyone would have to try and circumvent the real world’s legal process to cover up the magical murder in NL and get Neal his freedom. It could be a great storyline IMO. And a storyline like that would involve MRJ shooting all interior stuff on a soundstage, which is why he hasn’t been seen out and about for the exterior shoots, even though they’re in the city where Neal lives.
Hmmm…
Curious! If she was in town on Once business, she could have potentially been shooting for either show, if the theories about her being related to Anastasia are on the right track.
This parody song about shipping made me LOL! 😆 (Full lyrics are in the description if you click to watch it on youtube.)
Interesting how the languages and names are all linked!
Perhaps in the Onciverse, the Fates are actually three particular Fairies? We know that Fairies can assume human size and tuck away their wings, so perhaps that’s what these two have done, with the specific purpose of guiding Rumple’s life. Meanwhile, Fate #3 remains in her Fairy form as Blue.
The way they’re dressed almost identically, just with some colour and adornment variation, reminds me of the Fairies.
Great post, Keb!
Charmings: They always find each other. They believe in hope and faith. They believe in love as sacrifice.
I hope we get to see Charming’s father at some point. His mother obviously believed in true love, and in sacrifice, because she gave her own life so that Snowing could have a future family.
Snow knew about loving self sacrifice from her mother, (“You did the right thing by not dooming someone else just for my sake.”). Dunno that she got much of that from her father, but she definitely learned about dedicated love from him. Which is both good and bad, I guess, because it contributed to how Regina ended up, even though it meant that Snow always felt loved, and never lost faith in her parents’ love.
When it came to their daughter, Snowing undoubtedly loved her, but they also loved their people, and they had blind faith that their familial love would eventually win the day.
Stiltskins: A string of absentee fathers…though not entirely by choice. They value power (yes, even you Bae), deals, and family even if they keep losing it. They also believe in destiny/fate.
This family story is just so freaking sad. I wonder how far back the cycle of abandonment goes. We now know that Malcolm was sold to a blacksmith, so his family life wasn’t exactly all about unconditional love. The other day I was contemplating starting a thread all about the “Sins of the Father” and how messed up the consecutive generations of that family are, but it’s so layered and tragic and overwhelming that I didn’t even know where to start with discussing it.
I do think we’ll see the cycle broken in present day. From the moment Neal found out he was a father, he was all about doing whatever he could to be a good father to Henry. He did still leave him when he fell through the portal, but it’s not like he had any control over that, and he let go of Emma to ensure she remained safe and with their son.
Of course, Rumple’s adventures in fatherhood started out from a positive motivation as well. His own father tossed him away like he didn’t care, so Rumple went to great lengths to get home to his unborn child so he wouldn’t feel unloved and disregarded. And then his good intentions ended up leading to a very dark place. Rumple tried to learn from the mistakes of his father, and in doing so, made his own mistakes and history repeated, though not in exactly the same way.
I guess Malcolm kind of learned something from his own parents’ mistakes. He did still give his son up, but Rumple wouldn’t have had it as hard as he did, working for middle aged ladies who worked spinning wheels, instead of being a slave to a blacksmith. Malcolm was still selfishly motivated though. That changed with Rumple and Bae. Rumple genuinely wanted to protect his son.
If we look at the situations from the son’s point of view, firstly we have Malcolm, who it seems never had the chance to stand up to or reason with his parents. Then we have LittleRumple who did have the chance to stand up to his father, because he had a means for them to improve their lives, and Malcolm actually took the chance, if only momentarily before he gave up. Now we’ve seen Neal say to Rumple, “Nope, you’re just gonna do the right thing,” so this time around, the son is getting to speak his mind, and we saw Rumple agree to try, just like Malcolm initially did. Will Rumple stick to his promise to Neal, or go back on the promise like his own father did with him? I have faith in our imp that he’ll stick to the promise. Baby steps of improvement, through the generations.
We’ll have to wait to see how Neal and Henry’s relationship plays out from both of their perspectives, but I have hope. Neal went back to NL, is facing Pan again, to protect Henry. Like his father before him, he just wants to protect his son. Neal’s learned some hard lessons about relying completely on magic as a means to that protection though. He doesn’t know it, but his grandfather faced the magical solution test as well. I think that with this generation, we’re gonna see straight up fatherly love win the day. And because this family makes improvements with each generation, Henry will never be separated from his future children. That’s the end of the Stiltskin line’s journey to being able to achieve the happily ever after.
Mills: Really Cora and Regina here, as far as it goes. They value power, believe love is weakness as much as they desire it and think they can force others to give it, and run from chances at love. Oh, and the two of them are quite vengeful. Henry Sr. is the outlier; like Bae he’d fit in better with the Charmings in a lot of ways.
Regina didn’t always value power though. She started out with honest values when it came to love. If she’d been able to make a break for it with Daniel, the cycle of “power = love” wouldn’t have been perpetuated from her own relationship with her mother, to her relationship with her son. I think she needs to get back to her original way of thinking, and I believe she can. She’ll never be able to give up power completely in the magical sense, it’s too much a part of her now, but she can still remember and return to those more healthy values she used to have.
Poor Henry Sr. *sigh* He unconditionally loved his baby girl, no matter how much evil she committed, and look what it got him.
Henry definitely shows traits of all the family trends, and I think we see all of them converge in his decision to give his heart to Pan: He’s being a self-sacrificing hero like a Charming, he’s embracing the power of Magic like a Stiltskin or a Mills, and in doing so he’s ironically simultaneously finding family (Hi great-grandpa), pushing family away (rejecting the advice of all three parents!), and losing family (losing his life, which would tear that temporarily joined family to shreds).
This is such a great summation of the whole family dynamic and how it’s all impacted Henry. Really interesting how these themes are interwoven.
