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This was a fabulous ep! Tore my heart into pieces, gave me warm fuzzies, made me wanna both laugh and cry!
Yeah, I thought I would be the only one. I completely hated that as well. I mean, her character was not the most likeable once you found out that she had been manipulating them all, but when she realized that what Henry had said was true, it was awesome. I finally saw her have an actual character instead of being either purposely oblivious and happy or righteously dignified. Her eyes held some real emotion and when she stood in front of Henry and told him to run, I felt it was for his safety and not to keep him away from the Lost Ones out of spite. I stopped and thought ‘Hmm. I wonder what was up with her? I wonder what lead her onto the path that she is on? After all, it’s unfair to only get Greg’s backstory when she obviously seems to have something going on. She has to have some sort of tale.’
Then Rumpelstiltskin came…*sigh* I love Rumpel, but I have never been so unhappy to see him in a scene. When Tamara started to beg, it really felt genuine. She almost reminded me of a child. When he ripped out her heart, it felt more horrible than a lot of other things he’s done. It felt as though he’d wasted character potential. It also felt as though he’d taken revenge on a person who’s crimes against him had actually been rendered null and void (which is kind of true, even though he didn’t know that).
I’m wondering if we might still have a Tamara flashback at some point, showing how she was recruited for THO. It’s a pretty big plot point that needs explaining, and I’d figured that if either of GOAT died straight up, it would have been Greg, because we have his story already. If the theory of Tamara being Marian and Robin’s child proves true, we may well get some more backstory on her as they develop Robin some more. Also, assuming they’re gonna elaborate more on how PP communicated with agents of THO in our world, then that might go some way to developing Tamara’s backstory a bit more.
I agree that Tamara had a couple of moments were she had flashes of actual emotion, actual doubt, that almost made me feel sorry for her. It’s an interesting dynamic that she has with Rumple in that very, brief scene IMO, and I’m not really surprised he killed her.
Tamara: Look, Mr Gold, I didn’t know who I was working for. I’m sorry about Neal. I’m so sorry.
Rumple: I know. You were merely a pawn.
Tamara: Can you forgive me?
Rumple: No.Rumple’s an expert on pawns, he’s turned people into them. But he always gives people a choice when they deal with him. Sure, he influences them, but at the end of the day, they know the rules, and their eventual actions are their own choice, as are the consequences. So when he looked at Tamara, apologising and begging, he was probably thinking, “No matter how you were played, you still had a choice, and you chose to kidnap my grandson and kill my son.” So in his eyes, she deserved what she got.
Also, Rumple himself has potentially been a pawn in PP’s larger game, or he’s at least a pawn of the prophecy, if not directly PP, and I think he might be starting to wonder about that a bit now that he’s been lured back into the deathtrap that is NL. He’s never denied that he’s done bad things, he considers himself unlovable because of it. So even if he is someone’s pawn in some way, he’s still owning all his bad deeds. And he’s got it in his head that the only way his story can end is with his death in the near future. So of course Tamara needs to own her deeds too, and if death is her fate and punishment as well, then so be it.
My least favorite would probably be……..I honestly don’t have a least favorite for this episode! I am curious about how Robin Hood knows that Rumple let him live. I was under the impression that he and Marian didn’t even know Rumple fired the arrow at them. Must be more to that story that we haven’t seen yet 🙂
I do hope there’s some more to that story where he finds out that Rumple was gonna shoot him in the woods, because if not, Belle is the one he owes for having set him free from the castle.
[adrotate group="5"]Yes, it does suggest previous interaction. Whether it be with Ariel specifically, or just mermaids in general, I’m interested to see what experience Hook has with mermaids. His “liars” comment could potentially just be that they lure sailors into the sea. The way she looked at Charming all pouty like, “Let me go,” almost seemed like she was about to attempt to work some seduction magic on him.
Agreed with KFC. Didn’t seem to me like they were specifying an exact age. They said, “who may actually be,” which is very non-specific. If they’d said, “Who is 300 years old,” that would have been more of a giveaway because the number 300 has been mentioned specifically in relation to Rumple’s age, and if they are brothers, they’d wanna keep that secret for right now. So they basically just implied that PP is really old.
I was hoping RH had left the realm entirely so was not affected by Regina’s curse, but it would appear he didn’t do that. So that is one wrinkle in this relationship that he is sort of (like everyone else!) one of her victims.
Sort of, but not to the same extent that everyone else was, because she never gave him a fake identity. I think the fact that he’s always had a clear mind of who he is, and Regina never interfered with that, would be a plus for their potential relationship.
Of course, he was still affected by the Curse in the sense that it appears to have left him all alone, so it probably took all his Merry Men away, and it wrecked the land he was left in. He seemed pretty matter of fact when he mentioned the Curse, no real emotion either way, but maybe we’ll get some more insight into how he really feels about it in the future.
I think if THO was created by someone other than PP, he just overtook the whole operation, as opposed to brainwashing a couple of agents.
The name, The Home Office sounds like something from our world. Henry even has a line, “An office in the jungle?” I think if it had been something PP started up himself, it probably would have been called something different.
Now that we’ve seen that physical Peter is a bad guy, and that the lost boys answer directly to him rather than to his shadow, I’m thinking that the shadow is Peter’s good aspect. The lost boys were about to kill Greg and Tamara, and maybe what we saw was the shadow rescuing what it could.
Interesting idea. Would certainly flip the typical notion of shadowy things being dangerous on its head.
The Shadow brought kids to NL though, so I still wanna say that its in cahoots with PP.
But something from the sneak peek for 302, PP tells Emma that he likes that she’s got fire, and he didn’t mean it in a literal sense, but I do wonder if perhaps it could be taken that way as well, given that we’ve seen that the Shadow doesn’t like fire, just one match made it drop Bae, so could PP be wanting to use Emma as a weapon to defeat the Shadow?
We initially assumed that there was only one shadow doing Pan’s doing, but after seeing the premiere tonight, I no longer believe that is the case. I think Pan has his own army of shadows, consisting of all the shadows torn from his victims. I also noticed that when Greg’s shadow was ripped, it looked completely identical to the shadow that attacked him. As long as they remain separated from their original host bodies, they are bound to do Pan’s bidding for all eternity. This would mean that Greg isn’t actually dead, but remains enslaved in his shadow form.
I can get on board with this theory, because I’ve been imagining for ages that Regina would be the one to kill Greg (that he’s the fave kill Lana mentioned at CC), so if he’s only kinda sorta dead, and is basically just gonna be a puppet who can be controlled by his shadow, then maybe the others will find his body, and he’ll get up and try to attack, and Regina will finish him off.
I mentioned this in another thread too, but I think that Mulan’s reaction shots to Neal’s situation were very telling, so I wonder if we’re gonna hear a bit about the history of her own love story in the near future.
5) Episode 3 will show more of Neal’s journey with Mulan, Robin Hood, etc. and Horowitz teases we’ll see “a wrinkle to their story” appear.
I’m intrigued by what this “wrinkle” might be. Judging by the reaction shots they gave Mulan in 301, I think she’s got some backstory that allows her to relate to what Neal’s feeling. I don’t expect a full on flashback for her at any point, but I wonder if maybe some of her history will be brought up and affect present day stuff.
I like how they made it seem like the mermaid had called the storm up by blowing on the shell, but it was really themselves fighting that caused it. She could sense that they were disagreeing, so she egged them on a bit, played on their insecurities and conflict so it all got amped up and made the weather angry as well. Paints the mermaids as being quite conniving, but we don’t know yet if they’re into physically harming humans as well as messing with their heads. We’d all been so sure that they were gonna try and violently drown Emma, but that didn’t end up being the case.
As for Ariel, I just think that part of showing the 301 mermaids as being so aggressive, is so they can show Ariel in stark contrast to that, when the time comes.
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Peter is one creepy kid. Like super creepy. “You’ve got fire. I like fire.”
This stuck out to me, because we’ve seen that the Shadow dislikes fire. I know that PP was saying it in the sense of, “Oooo, you’re a feisty one,” but could it have had a double meaning, and it’s hinting at some rift between PP and the Shadow? PP likes Emma’s fire, because it’s gonna help to defeat the Shadow?
“I may not be the most well behaved boy on the island but I always keep my promises”
Just like Rumple never breaks a deal.
