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If Belle takes out her heart, and say she actually prefers the feeling of not being able to feel her hurt over the heartbreak Rump caused her to feel,she may not want it to be put back in. Sound familiar? (for those who didn’t watch WL, that is basically very similar to what Will did and seeing how he and Belle are a thing now, this may be a bonding thing for them)
That would at least give some purpose to Will and Belle being so close, if it was so he could pass on some “been there, done that” advice. He’d probably also tell her not to give up on her seemingly evil lover, which I’d be conflicted about because on the one hand I don’t want Will and Belle together, but on the other hand I don’t really want her going back to Rumple.
[adrotate group="5"]How many Fictional!Englands are there? One for each time period? That seems a bit excessive.
ONE FICTIONAL ENGLAND… just different time periods .. . .
That’s what I was going to say, just like FTL different time periods.
It’s not. The Victorian Era ended in 1901. This is the 1920s. Alice’s epilogue in WL showed that it was still Victorian England 5 years (min) after her wedding to Cyrus. In order for it to not be in the Vic. age anymore, it would have to be 19 years into the future and time runs concurretnly in all realms, as per A and E
And it was Victorian England when Will came to get Alice, which was during S2 of OUAT, so it’s still Victorian times there when it’s our modern day. And Cruella’s flashbacks to the 20s happened way in the past.
I’m pretty sure back when the “are Alice and Wendy from the same place” question came up, they confirmed in an interview (or on Twitter) that Alice’s world was a Fictional!England perpetually stuck in the 1800s.
So let me get this straight. Zelena doesn’t share Marion’s knowledge, and we are shown this, but she presumably also doesn’t know any of her mannerisms, tastes, daily habits, little rituals… everything that emerges in contexts of familial intimacy, and that constitutes a person. And yet, she is able to fool her loving husband, and more importantly, her son?
Pardon the naive question, but is anyone else perhaps struck by the incredible irony of a show allegedly about the irreplaceability of love and family to have one of its main supporting male characters and his kid not being able to recognize that their wife/mom has been replaced by a leprechaun… I mean wicked witch?
I almost want to say we can give Roland a pass because he’s so young, but part of me thinks that maybe he’d be the one who would be more likely to pick up that something’s not right about his mother? It’s rather absurd that Zelena could get the lie past Robin. It’d be one thing if Zelena had seen enough of Marian to be able to pick up on how she behaved and could imitate her. But Zelena didn’t know Marian, didn’t see how she behaved around Robin and Roland, so it’s just…*sigh*…the more I think about how they wrote this whole situation, the less sense it makes, and the more it irritates me.
re: Zelena’s pendent. Does it contain all of her magic? She had magic without it. And seemed to have at least enough magic not to die in that jail cell. What exactly does the pendant do?
From the episode summary on the wikia…
Glinda explains that it’s a very special pendant which each of the witches in the sisterhood wears, and as she fastens it around Zelena’s neck, she tells her to guard it with her life because, in many ways, it now is her life. “You were born with great power, Zelena. And now… now this pendant will harness, protect and grow that power. All of it.” Zelena asks if it will make her stronger, and Glinda answers positively, however, she adds that there’s a price: without the pendant, she will become powerless. But so long as she does continue to wear it, she will be able to accomplish untold miracles.
What I get from that summary (and the other promo stuff) is…
Cruella’s life is crap, her mother’s holding her prisoner, until the Author shows up to help change her story for the better and empower her to get out into the world and have a life, (and she falls for him of course). He gives her the ability to control animals, which means she can force the dalmatians to turn on her mother and kill her and that’s how she gets all dark and evil. She ends up regretting it, but the Author buggers off back to FTL and won’t help her make things better, which is why she’s after him in present day, (and also why she ended up in FTL, trying to find him), because “You made me this way now take it back.”
In fictional 1920s England,
How many Fictional!Englands are there? One for each time period? That seems a bit excessive.
Milli Wilkinson as Young Cruella
There were seriously no other young actresses available, so they had to recycle one? Really?
Because we could all use a good laugh. Lily Spark’s review.
I’m only one paragraph in and I’m already wanting to yell PREACH.
We’ll discuss the plot from “Heart of Gold” in a second, but first I think we all need to take a moment and really appreciate what Once Upon a Time is trying to get away with here. Maid Marian has always been Zelena? All the time she was in Storybrooke, Maid Marian was Zelena in disguise, quietly moving in on Robin Hood to spite Regina? So this was true when she told Regina that Regina could have Robin Hood because she, Maid Marian, was moving on? And this was true when she unwittingly ate some magicked ice cream that turned her into an ice statue for the entire time Elsa was in town? And this was also true when she first came to Storybrooke and immediately recognized Roland, who Zelena had never seen before? Even if somehow we could just accept all of this, we’re supposed to just nod along with the idea that Zelena’s SENTIENT LIFE FORCE left her body and hovered around Emma and Hook through space and time like a bad smell? No, honey, no. Nuh-uh. Nice try, OUAT, but you need to show me some receipts when you try to make such an extensive return. You can’t just ret-con half a season and exchange an entire character with a color-changing necklace and call it a day.
But like Phee said else where, it also reeked of them saying “and now we don’t need to talk about Nealfire ever again”
Yup, that’s totally what it felt like to me.
I do have some very faint shred of *twitch*HOPE*twitch* that Rumple got Regina to make that call so that she’ll go after Zelena and destroy her, because he still wants revenge for his son, especially after the crap she was saying to him in the hospital. But I don’t really expect that we’d ever get a scene confirming it even if it were the case, because we got that scene where it felt like Rumple wanted to never utter the name Neal (or Baelfire) ever again.
Zelena’s pretty dumb. Surely the time to gloat about stealing your sister’s boyfriend is AFTER Rumple’s secured you that happily ever after, NOT BEFORE, when your sister can still find a way to prevent your happily ever after from happening. I get that Zelena isn’t privy to how Rumple’s end of the plan is unfolding, so she would assume that he and Regina aren’t hanging out, and she wouldn’t know that he’s the one who put Regina up to that phonecall. And I get that Zelena just can’t help herself because she loves a good gloat. But seriously, when she gets taken down, she’s only got herself to blame, because DUMB.
Flashbacks in Fictional London!
The way she’s dressed, and the way the Author is dressed in that one shot, do look very much like clothes from our world, but wasn’t Fictional!London perpetually the 1800s? They’re dressed too modern for that.
You know…if you pause at the 0:06 mark in the 418 Promo…you can see on Cruella’s coat sleeve that it’s spotted black and white. Did Cruella slay her 101 Dalmatians???
She probably at least slayed the two who are in that other shot where she’s dressed more normally.
They just wanted the sightgag of a person’s feet sticking out from under a thing because LOLZ!OZ. But in doing so they screwed up what could have been easily accepted as a Hat thing that we just didn’t see the other side of.
And then they have Will say that he’d move the guard so he’d wake up somewhere far away? Soooooo, getting crushed by something falling on you doesn’t kill you then?
