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So the bug was on fire? Anyone….Anybody….please tell me that is not true!
The person who tweeted that also tweeted a photo of A yellow Bug on fire…but it’s not Emma’s Bug (looks like the front of it is a different colour, and the license plate isn’t a match)…so I dunno what they’re on about?
[adrotate group="5"]I’ve just been playing around with one of Larry’s photos in photoshop, adjusting the lighting to try to see the dagger better. Either I’ve just been staring far too long or I can really see the name ‘Emma’ on it. Can you guys?
I think that’s just the side of the Dagger with the pattern on it.
If there’s a name on it, it’d be on the other side of the blade.
With a four letter name like Emma on it, there would probably be a blank space on either side of the name, like when it said Zoso. The one in the BTS pic seems to be a continuous pattern, no blank spaces.
The Arrow fandom has been dealing with a similar issue lately. For those who don’t watch the show, this guy Ray came into the story, and he did things like buying the company Felicity worked for so she was forced to work for him, and pinging her phone then showing up where she was to talk to her, and showing up at her apartment uninvited first thing in the morning. Right after he showed up, Felicity actually called him out on being a “stalker”, and ever since he’s done things that have come across as being quite controlling. But then she ended up in a relationship with him.
Fans of Felicity expressed their displeasure, and whenever the showrunner responded it was in the vein of, “Sure we’ll address it if Ray’s done anything problematic, but he hasn’t as yet,” and, “haven’t you people ever seen a romantic comedy before, this is totes that.” Then a few days ago someone asked him if he was worried at all about Ray being able to hold his own on the spinoff they’ll have him on, considering all the negative reaction to him, and his response was essentially, “LOLz nah, the only people who don’t like him are butthurt Olicity shippers”. (Olicity, Oliver and Felicity, is the major ship that has the vocal fandom, so Felicty being with Ray has hampered that).
That prompted someone to call him out…
Listen. You literally have hundreds of women telling you why they find Ray’s behavior problematic and threatening. Dismissing that as silly fans just being angry about their ship, alienates an entire group of smart, capable viewers in the most insultingly patronizing way possible. It is not about a ship. If you just cared enough to actually open up discourse and LISTEN to us, then maybe you could understand too, instead of telling us how we’re SUPPOSED to feel about Ray.And to his credit, he replied…
Okay. That’s fair. What did he do that was problematic and/or threatening?Whether or not he pays attention to the responses he’s gotten, who knows, but I hope he does because as the woman who sent him that message in the first place said in one of her responses to him…
I know, I know. It’s supposed to be romantic. “Haven’t you seen romantic comedies?” You’ve replied in the past. Yes, we have. And every time Hollywood tries to pass off this sort of behavior as quirky and cute, it helps to normalize this pattern and make it acceptable. Media affects the people who consume it. It always has, and this is no different. Women exist in relationships where their lives are not their own. And they are continuously told that that’s okay – it’s just the guy being cute or passionate, or a little bit jealous – it’s sweet. No harm, no foul.
I mean, look. At the end of the day, we all know what your intentions with Ray were. We all know that he isn’t actually a bad guy. But the sorts of behaviors he displays are generally displayed by guys who aren’t as nice as Ray is.
How are girls supposed to know the difference when they end up with someone like that in real life?
So here’s the deal.
I’m not sure whether you really wanted me to respond here. I’m not even sure if you’re going to read any of this. It’s possible you just answered my ask because you thought it would make it look like you cared. But on the off-chance that you’re still reading – there’s nothing that can be done about Ray at this point. He’s been written, the episodes have been filmed. It is what it is.
But we’re seeing this really interesting new trend emerge in television and other media right now, where you as a show-runner, can actually interact with your viewers and hear what they have to say. It’s an incredible opportunity to begin to reshape the way certain tropes and plots are handled. Instead of saying – well this is how it’s always been done, you can actually watch your show evolve through the eyes of your audience and do something different, something better.
For now, Ray Palmer is what he is. But you can actually take a step back, look at this through a different set of eyes, and acknowledge that there are viewers who care about this sort of thing for reasons that have nothing to do with shipping. We want to see a change. We want to be able root for a hero. We want to be able to see why a character is great instead of being told why. And instead of responding to those viewers with ridicule, maybe you can acknowledge that your audience is smart, sophisticated, and knows what it wants.
It’s a big deal that in this day and age, the consumers of media have the ability to get their reactions and opinions directly to the people making the media immediately after seeing it. If ever there was a time when standards can shift, (not just in relation to this particular issue, but right across the board on all sorts of issues that have just become accepted as the norm), then this should be it. It’s just a question of whether the showrunners are prepared to step up, accept that some things that have always been done are actually problematic, and be a part of things changing for the better.
First of all, WORD to what RG said.
In conclusion, are the writers trying to write CS as this epitome of true love despite evidence to the contrary like Twilight did with Bella and Edward,
It’s been a while since I read Twilight (yeah I read it, all of it, so sue me :-P), and you can make the comparison in so far as the seeds for the relationship were sowed when Edward was a creepy stalker who stalked, (he’d climb in her bedroom window to watch her sleep, doesn’t get much more stalker than that). But in Edward’s defense, he was loathe to put Bella in danger, and played an active role in protecting her, so you can’t really draw a similarity with Hook in that part of the characterisation. He also didn’t want Bella to give up her mortality just to be with him, he wanted her to actually have a full life and be with her family, and didn’t believe she’d have that opportunity if she was with him.
Yeah there was a love triangle in Twilight, but I daresay it was handled better than the triangle on OUAT. In Twilight they actually addressed why one of the guys was adamant to get the girl away from the other guy, and it wasn’t just a petty tug of war over the girl, it was a centuries old distrust between werewolves and vampires and a life and death situation, so there was some sort of depth to it.
Bella may have been a lovesick teen who made some questionable choices, (who the frick marries their vampire boyfriend immediately after graduating highschool?), but they were her choices. Whenever either Edward or Jacob told her “Bella NO”, she’d be all, “Bella YES,” even so far as when Edward didn’t want her to have their baby because it’d likely kill her, but she insisted she was having the dang baby. Jacob made it obvious that he wanted to be with her, but Bella made it equally as obvious that no matter what he felt for her, she never saw him as more than a friend.
It may have started out as Bella not really knowing who Edward was, but once she was in the loop with all the vampire (and werewolf) stuff, she wasn’t in the dark about who the man was that she wanted to be with, so she was at least capable of making informed choices. The same can’t be said for Emma, because she’s just not aware of who Hook really is. As messed up as Twilight was, the girl did at least still have some agency once you got to a certain part of the story.
I know there’s that meme for “Still a better love story than Twilight”, but I’d say that Twilight is still a better love story than CS. 😛
After fleeing Neverland, Baelfire returns to the Enchanted Forest, making a home out of the forest while still on the run from his father. He meets the Princess, who fast becomes the one person he trusts. Over the years, they fall in love in hidden, secret places. X
Emma is like “it doesn’t work like that. We have to do what the apprentice said. The dagger needs to be attached to someone”
So some way, Rumple’s finally gonna cl – clea – *twitch* – separate himself from the Dagger, but it won’t be by someone stabbing him with it if it’s currently unconnected to anyone. And Emma’s willing to step up and take on the responsibility. The Saviour being willing to sacrifice themselves to protect others from the burden of darkness/sin. Yup, sounds about right. (And I’ve gotta laugh that they’re filming it right before Easter.)
The last time the Charming’s saw Maleficent she roasted some guards because they were in her way to the Tree of Knowledge. I can totally buy Snow making a huge judgement call on any of her spawn.
Here’s the thing though…Snowing believe themselves to be good, yet still believe their spawn could be evil. So if you just take that logic and flip it, why should they assume that just because Maleficent is evil, that her spawn would turn out the same as her? They’re operating with the mindset that their child might not follow in their footsteps, but obviously, without a doubt, Maleficent’s child will absolutely turn out just like its mother. Hypocritical much?
Yeah I know, but I just don’t ever trust a promo, so I’m not convinced it’ll be that straightforward. Weren’t there set photos of Rumple wandering around town with the Author?
See that actually bothered me because how does the Sorcerer have any influence in our world? He mentioned Walt, but then also “a man who watched shadows on a wall” is very clearly Plato and then there were “playwrights”
It actually sounds like every Author was from our world….
That’s something I hadn’t considered, but now that you mention it, it totally bugs.
