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@RumplesGirl wrote:
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Yet Hook once said “A man unwilling to fight for what he wants, deserves what he gets” Would he be so hypocritical to just step aside when he wants Emma?
I think Hook’s grown quite a bit since then. He’s even willing to put aside his hatred of Rumple and his need for revenge for Bae, to honor Bae’s legacy. If he recognizes that Bae and Emma are meant to be then he may be honorable enough to step aside.
Agreed. He had a turning point in the season finale, he’s beginning to try and be a better man, and not taking women that other men are in love with would be part of that. By all means, fight for what you want in life, but there’s a right way and a wrong way, and deliberately hurting someone to get what you want is the wrong way. This is all part of what Hook is beginning to learn.
He knows first hand what it feels like to be kept apart from the one you love, and I don’t think he’d wish that sort of heartache on Milah’s son (someone we know he has cared for) once he sees how Nealfire feels for Emma, (and sees that Emma also has feelings for Nealfire in return).
He’ll remember how Bae begged to go back to the Darlings, who he considered family. He’ll remember how Bae didn’t want to stay on the JR because he was bitter that Hook had broken up his family. And he’ll see the family that Nealfire has begun to build and now wants with Emma and Henry. And Hook will know how desperately Nealfire’s been searching for that, and for how long, so he’ll do the right thing and not stand in the way.
That doesn’t negate his line about fighting for what you want, it shows character growth, and that he’s realising there are other things worth fighting for. What Hook wants now more than ever is to prove himself as a better man, willing to let things go, (instead of holding onto them with a vengeance and refusing to ever let go, which he has discovered just leads to being miserable and lonely, something Emma pointed out to him in the finale). If he’s gonna fight for his new goal in life, he’ll ultimately do the right thing by Nealfire, even if part of him thinks it’d be good times to keep keeping on with Emma.
That will be his challenge, and the decision he’ll have to make. That will be his fight for what he now truly wants. I think that to have him still pursue Emma, even knowing how much it would hurt Nealfire, would be a detriment to Hook’s personal development.
It’d be like Regina all over again, when she couldn’t get a clue and kept doing the same things over and over, all the while claiming, “but I’m not the bad one, I’m not doing bad things, it’s not my fault other people are in pain, it’s their own stupid fault.” That ended up annoying me with Regina and I’m not even an EvilRegal. If they did the same thing with Hook, it would completely frustrate me.
[adrotate group="5"]@PriceofMagic wrote:
Also, and this is just IMO, PP didn’t seem to know where Henry was, in time or location. It seemed like he was just picking random boys from the world, taking them to Neverland and getting Felix and the others to hold up the picture of Henry and go “Is this the boy?” “No”,”Is this the boy?” “No”,”Is this the boy?” “No”. PP doesn’t seem to have a clue when Henry will come into existence, just that he is special for some reason. If PP was controlling everything, he wouldn’t have needed to steal boys until the early 2000s.
I think PP has the gift of foresight, (or at the very least, access to a seer), but as we’ve seen with that gift, things aren’t always crystal clear. So yes, I think that he’s doing a bit of a random search, but once he got Bae, he was able to sense that even though he wasn’t the right boy, he was the right bloodline, (and I’ve also wondered if the same thing happened previously when Rumple was a boy too). We don’t know yet if PP continued to have boys brought to NL after Bae. Maybe after that, he stopped having new boys brought to him, and he just kept Bae on hold until the time was right to release him into our world so he could father Henry.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Jospehine wrote:
I’m confused on the whole Home Office thing. They’re an “anti-magic” organization that is probably ultimately headed by some boy sitting in a tree-house hideout in Neverland like an adolescent Dr. Evil, who instead of petting his cat has Tinkerbelle at his side. Why would an anti-magic league work in concert with a magic mastermind? If Wendy is behind the formation of THO after Bae was taken, why should her organization work for the same people she’s trying to fight?
I thik THO can be whatever its recruits need it to be. So, for example, GOAT really hate magic so THO presents itself as an anti-magic establishment, determined to wipe out magic. But that’s not really what they are about. They are a front for PP (who is NOT a boy, but at least 18-20) in NL. They are his “arm” in this world. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have agencies in every world, the BF for example in FTL.
What RG said. 🙂
Also, if time runs concurrently between worlds then Rumple and Bae’s initial story happened 300 years ago. That puts us in the early 1700s. That doesn’t fit with Bae being dumped in Victorian England, which was the latter part of the 1800s. It’s so confusing. 😕
I’m not going to lie: this is exactly why we’ve all stopped saying “timeline” around here and now just call it “the t-word” because this gave everyone headaches for weeks.
WAAAHHHH!
*twitching*
*rocking*
*weeping*
*only half joking*I do wonder if all of our suppositions are way off. :geek:
I don’t just wonder it, I assume it. 😆
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Because if they give into it, then those who wants CS will never stop clamoring for it, claiming that the only reason SF is happening and not CS is because Neal suddenly came back.
I’m sure people will still say the same thing even if CS only develop a deep friendship before Nealfire shows up to distract Emma and prevent CS from continuing developing towards romance. Either way, Nealfire’s getting in the way. 😛 So I say have CS get together so their sexual tension can be officially dealt with and they can both get it out of their systems and move past it. If they never go there, then the “what if” will be lingering in the background for forever, even after SF get together, and that would be a more tedious direction for the storyline IMO.
I kinda still wanna ask him, “So: “this world wasn’t my first stop when I left home,” was Nealfire straight up lying to Emma, yes?” Just to have that final point officially acknowledged, so that even if I don’t like it, I can get over it, because that quote still bugs me.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Episodes 12-22: the return to SB, more FTL flashbacks like normal, fighting THO in this world who have made their way to SB (headed by Dorothy), but PP shows up with his LOST ones around episode 20 for a big two part finale that finishes off PP and the NL story but moves us into a new land, hopefully Oz.
PP in our world would be awesome to see. Only reason I question that is that I was thinking just the other day about how perhaps PP needs to be fully defeated before anyone is able to leave NL, because he’s the one who holds the power that keeps everyone trapped there. That would mean that they won’t leave NL behind until they’re done with PP’s part in the story, which would surely last for longer than half a season. That speculation on my part could be completely off of course. Or maybe he does get stripped of his magic before they leave NL, but his now mortal self comes to our world to try and get it back and he wreaks some havoc in SB.
@HappyEndings wrote:
Ariel will be brought in sometime but it doesn’t need to be tied to PP.
No, she doesn’t need to be tied to PP, but she will likely be tied to NL given the mentions of mermaids being there. If she’s introduced while they’re there, her story will need to be addressed in some fashion while they are in NL.
@HappyEndings wrote:
As for David meeting Robinhood that is unluckly as the writers stated that they were basically done with RH.
As stated by Eddy in this interview: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round7-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1064265.aspx
Will Robin Hood (Tom Ellis) play a larger role in Season 3?
Kitsis: Can’t say.That translates to, “Yes, but we can’t confirm or elaborate.”
Now that we have confirmation that a Fictional London DOES exist, I’m totally tweeting the question about the Darlings’ London being the same if I notice he’s online. I need a conclusive, straight up, yes/no answer to the specific question.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I don’t know about that, PriceofMagic. She might begin the healing process by opening up to Hook, but I don’t know if they’ll be in a full on romance by episode 11–if that’s when the reunion happens. I think Hook and Emma will be best friends, but I don’t know if anything romantic is going to be happening anymore. I had predicted it, but that was before the portal scene. I just can’t see Emma moving on *that* quickly.
I’m not anticipating a full on CaptainSwan romance. I’m anticipating them genuinely becoming close on a friendly level, and then there’ll be that “moment” when they both get weak and give in and it takes them both by surprise. And it’s not long after that that Nealfire shows up. And it’s not long after that that CaptainSwan cool it with the romance, so she can go back and sort things out with Nealfire.
But I’d like to see CaptainSwan end on amicable terms, so they can maintain their friendship. That’s something that Nealfire probably wouldn’t like, because he wouldn’t necessarily trust Hook, but Emma could insist that he’s gotta suck it up and accept that Hook is her legit friend who was there to support her when they both thought he was dead, and she hasn’t had many legit friends she can count on to be there for her in her life, so she’s not gonna cut all ties with him. That would force Nealfire and Hook into resolving their own issues as well.
And I’ll be curled up in the corner because of overload on SwanFire and CaptainFire FEELS.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Bae is probably expecting to return home to hugs and smiles from Emma so for him to come across Emma and Hook together would be quite a shock for him. Also, Bae blames Hook for destroying his family so he may think Hook is just doing the same thing this time involving Emma and Henry.
Agreed with this. Nealfire will be anticipating the lovey dovey, “OMG you’re not dead, thank God because now we can be together” from Emma, but she’ll be all :?. She may not even have to spell it out, if Hook is right there, and there are awkward glances, and Nealfire puts 2 and 2 together and then…
I’m expecting a shocked expression for Emma, a punch in the face for Hook, and Neal storming off to clear his head.
…can totally see that happening.
@HappyEndings wrote:
As for Henry’s name I read some where she named him Henry after someone she knew in the foster system died that she liked.
Emma didn’t name Henry, Regina named him after her father.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I don’t see the home office necessarily tracking August especially once he left the system.
What got me on that train of thought was that Tamara oh so conveniently ended up in the same place on the other side of the world as August, and finding and following him is what ultimately led her to Nealfire, which ultimately got her access to SB, which got her access to Henry, who she’s now kidnapped for PP.
Tamara wouldn’t have achieved her goal without August playing his role, and all of her actions were just following orders from THO, so it stands to reason IMO that they sent her to Phuket (of all the places on Earth) specifically to meet up with August, because they knew he was there, because they’d kept tabs on him.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
She had a family until she was three but what if them having another child wasn’t the only reason why they gave her up. If Emma was demonstrating “magic” at three years old then her first family may have worried about it around their new baby especially as Emma could have resented the new baby hence Emma had to go.
That’s a pretty cool idea about Emma demonstrating magic as a kid!
