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@Keb wrote:

Hm. Magic relies upon emotion. That means that sustaining it might be harder than something instant–and inherently a bit emotion-driven like seizing a heart.

Possibly. Or maybe it’s just that Rumple lied to Regina about how hard it was, because if she put the spell on herself, and retained her magic while she was a peasant, things wouldn’t have played out how Rumple needed them to.

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I’m skeptical too, myril, and agree with much of what you said.

When they had a whole field full of beans, it was more realistic to expect that everyone in SB could go back to FTL. But now they’re down to 3 beans, and they’re gonna be in the possession of GOAT. Given that they’ve been so focused on those beans as their only way home, I’d roll my eyes a bit if suddenly they had some other method to mass transport 1000s of people.

Also, if GOAT are revealed to be working for a real world organisation, then IMO it makes sense to keep an operational home base for the FTL people in our world too. If everyone escapes back to FTL, then the threat of “The Home Office” is eliminated before it’s even been given a chance to be a real threat to them all. Yes, I realise that GOAT pose an immediate threat to Charmings&Co, but once GOAT and Henry's kidnapping have been dealt with, what then? There’s more potential for our heroes to be in peril (and peril makes for good TV) if they’re still stuck in our world, with The Home Office lurking in the shadows, ready to pounce. You just wouldn’t get that same tension if everyone is home safe in FTL, and The Home Office is in our world.

So really, I’m not sure why K&H would want to vaporise SB, so I’m wondering if a few of our faves will end up staying in SB instead of leaving on Hook's ship and/or going home to FTL.

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Does anyone else find it perplexing that it takes longer to master the art of giving yourself a dye job than it does to master the art of taking an enchanted heart? Like, I figured the heart thing would be a bit trickier, but Cora learned that overnight, and transformation took her months.

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@thelonebamf wrote:

I’m not saying Gold went to fatedchildren.net and picked out a boy,

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but it does stand to reason that even if the outside world doesn’t come to Storybrooke (and nobody leaves) there is some amount of communication. Now, people can wander onto the map of Storybrooke, yes? Say into some of the forests- they just don’t see the town? Or if someone tried to walk across the town line would they be blown back? (I think maybe it’s implied that they just don’t see the town? Like it’s hidden from their views?) So I guess a possible (but needlessly complicated) possibility is Gold played it all shady. Made contact with someone who had access to children and had them “make a drop” out in the woods, pick up their cash and go. Then he went and retrieved Henry? (Aw, I just had a sort of cute thought of Gold spending an hour or two with baby Henry before he takes him to Regina. D’awwww.)

This would work for me. The fact that they’ve used the word “procured” more than once to describe how Gold got Henry definitely suggests that it was a shady deal. The type of people who deal in the illegal baby trade would totally play along with a baby drop off in the woods, and would also be fine with not seeing the person they were handing the baby over to, coz they don’t care as long as they get their money. If Gold was able to communicate with such people via the internets, then he could have paid them online and told them to just drop the kid in a certain spot that would exist in both worlds, like a distinctive rock or tree just on the SB side of the border.

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THR: To say that the family tree is complicated is an understatement. How do you keep track of all the connections?

Raymond-James: This family tree is a f—ing wreath man! You’re not going to quiz me are you? [Laughs] It’s incredibly complicated. You really do have to draw a map with lines and pictures and it starts to look like an FBI manhunt.

OMG I love this guy! I literally LOLd, just imagining him saying this. 😆 😆

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I like it but something is going to have to be “off” about the death in order for them to think that there is more to his “death.” like it has to be a magical death in order for them think there is a possibility that he is “alive” which makes me think that his death has something to do with the fail-safe. That part of the consequence of him trying to turn off the failsafe is that his spirit is taken to FTL

You all have had some intriguing discussion on this topic, and it’s got me thinking. Just to throw my 2c in, this something having to be “off” about the “death” has been a bit of a hangup for me whenever I ponder this topic.

In order for them to believe Nealfire to be dead, there's gotta be something left behind for them to see.

A body is the best evidence, but I haven't been able to convince myself that his soul gets separated, (though if it did, that could potentially be a parallel to feed into the theories about the Pan shadow having been separated from Bae). I know he ends up with MAP, so that's where the sucked soul speculation is founded. But I keep coming back to thinking that MAP are in FTL after having brought Phillip's soul back, and Nealfire runs into them when they're sitting around wondering what to do next. And I don't believe that anyone in SB has the capabilities to wraith Nealfire.

So if I don't think that his body is still there in SB for them to find, then what else could be an indicator for them that something happened to him? This led me the other night to dig up the pics of Nealfire with MAP on the beach, in case he wasn't still wearing his scarf or something, and maybe the SBers find it all bloodied. But he's still got the scarf, (and his big coat) on with MAP.

So if there's no body and no bloodied clothing, that's what keeps me from thinking that Nealfire could be the “death”. Which is why I keep coming back to it being Granny. Seriously, why couldn't someone have seen what Beverley was up to when they were shooting these scenes?! GAH!

Anyway, my current pet theory as to what happens to Nealfire is that Tamara senses he's suspicious and she pops a bean and pushes him down a portal to get rid of him. In one of slurpeez's posts in this thread, that mark on Nealfire's hand was brought up again. I'm gonna mash that into this theory I've got going on and say that when Tamara pushes him into a portal, he's holding the failsafe gem, and it gets destroyed and burns his hand.

Now, of course, there's also the question of how everyone knows that Nealfire has actually disappeared if he just vanishes down a portal with only Tamara around. Maybe Granny will see it, and then Tamara will see her, and go after her, and then with her dying breath, Granny tells Emma what she saw? Nice little parallel to the scene with August, only this time the info actually gets out.

With the Granny theory, we've been saying she'd overhear something at the B&B which would lead to her demise at the hands of GOAT. Well, maybe that something is that Nealfire finds the gem hidden under that floorboard, and he confronts Tamara about it, they argue and struggle, which Granny hears, so she goes to investigate. Then she sees Tamara push Nealfire (still holding the gem tightly in his fist so Tamara can't get it) down the portal. And because Granny is badass, she follows Tamara to investigate further. But she gets spotted while she's spying on GOAT having a secret meeting down on the rocks, and they attack her and leave her for dead, completely unaware that Granny ain't just some regular old lady, she's a tough nut, who hangs on just long enough to be found and pass on the info.

That would explain Beverley not being seen while they were shooting, if she is indeed the one lying dying on the rocks. Granny's death alone would be enough to upset Henry and Emma and warrant their expressions in the photos. But if Granny also tells them what's happened to Nealfire, that explains why Rumple's looking upset, and it also adds a whole second level to Emma and Henry's reactions.

Egad, I rambled. 😆

PS. RumplesGirl, you’ve been merging threads like a BOSS. Thanks for keeping things organised.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Young Regina was willing to risk her life to save a perfect stranger, and Snow said how that changed her. If Snow were willing to make amends by risking her own life to save Regina, it would be a be a beautiful mirror image of how Regina saved her, and hopefully would really change Regina for the better.

Hadn’t thought of that mirror image, but now that you mention it, that scene in The Evil Queen is the perfect setup.

If this actually happens, someone out there had better make a Snow/Regina fanvid to Kickstart My Heart.

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You’re thinking of this scene in Apple Red As Blood…

Regina: I think I’d rather just get rid of her.

Mr. Gold: Well, well. You’re going to have to be quite creative. We both know the repercussions in killing Miss Swan. The curse will be…

Regina: The curse will be broken. That’s because you designed it that way. Undo it.

Mr. Gold: You know… Even if I wanted to, I couldn’t. Magic… Well… Is in short supply around here and dwindling by the minute.

Regina: You want the curse broken. Why?

Mr. Gold: That’s not something I care to discuss.

Emma was Rumple’s failsafe. Either the Saviour succeeds and the curse breaks, or she fails and dies and the curse breaks. Either way, the curse breaks so he can find his son.

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Yeah, this would be taking it to a whole new level.

Maybe Regina wouldn’t need Snow’s heart in her for very long, maybe just long enough to reboot her system (so to speak). But if it’s something that Rumple’s never tried before, and he’s just, “well it should work…in theory,” but there’s a chance it would actually kill them both, then that would still fit the brief of a dangerous connection.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

😆 Yay crackpots!

Some people do crosswords to keep their mind active. I just speculate about Once.

I do like it though. Snow is so guilt ridden over what she did to Cora that she even thinks going back to the EF and reclaiming the land will help, so I can see her thinking this grand sacrifice for Regina will lessen her guilt.

Not only would it lessen her guilt, it would also be a huge gesture that Regina would have to acknowledge. How could she remain hell bent on revenge on the person who just saved her life? It would force a redefinition of their whole relationship.

But without her heart, tiny black spot and all, will Snow be Snow? How would make her act for the rest of the season? Graham said he didn’t feel anything because he had no heart. Would Snow become an emotional void?

Hmmm, possibly. But if it’s only gonna be a temporary situation, perhaps that’s a temporary sacrifice she’s willing to make for the long term good?

Or maybe it wouldn’t work the same way as when a heart is kept in a box?

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Oh I’m totally still expecting a Davy Jones connection in Killian’s history somewhere too. Maybe Davy Jones was the previous Captain of the Jolly Rodger and Killian took over from him? They certainly gave him that surname for a reason. It’s highly suspicious.

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