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It doesn’t really surprise me that Xavier knew about Cora’s little visitor, because he probably makes it his business to know everything that goes on in his castle.
What I find interesting is that he obviously ended up knowing everything about Cora and her powers, because he would have seen her rip her own heart out, right? That’s when she did it, when she was in there with him? And he was perfectly happy to sign his son’s life away by letting him marry her, even though he knew exactly what type of person she was. Poor Henry really was screwed over.
[adrotate group="5"]It’s funny how I’d always figured their relationship would have been one sided in the opposite direction, with Cora being the helpless romantic who wished they could run off together. Maybe that’s why their scenes weirded me out, because I wasn’t prepared to see Rumple being the more emotionally needy one.
@Riddleraven wrote:
I gotta say, that was not what I was expecting of that backstory. At what point does Cora learn more magic? Doesn’t she even say to him in Storybrooke, ‘No, I don’t know any memory spells, I only know what you taught me.’ Now that’s probably not entirely true, but I expected it to be at least remotely true!
Maybe that was her sarcastic way of saying, “Dude are you serious, you have no idea how powerful I am.”
There had to have been at least a short passage of time between the proposal and the wedding day. Those royal shindigs don’t just organise themselves overnight. I suspect he was visiting her every night for a little while, and teaching her more things, and it’s during that time that he gave her the spell book to study.
@SpinningGold wrote:
We know Rumplestiltskin had both sets of memories early on. Will we get a taste of how that came to be in this flashback?
Kitsis: This episode is really Regina-centric. Whatever Mr. Gold knows in this episode, he is keeping to himself.*Murmle* Is this a hint eddie & adam are going back on the whole he knew nothing till Emma told her name thing? I thought that would make more sense from the start, but hey they said it. Well I guess it wasn’t set in stone…
It was curious they didn’t correct the interviewer there. Methinks we need clarification next time Mr Horowitz does a Twitter Q&A.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
Will Tamara be let in on the truth? Or does she already know?
Horowitz: Tamara met Neal in the real world. They fell in love and got engaged. Now, Neal is caught up in something that no regular person could possibly conceive of. How is she going to react to that? Or not react to that? Is he going to keep it from her? These are the questions we intend to pose, in addition to the more important emotional question: How does this affect Henry’s family, which is now expanded in many, many ways? Tamara is now a wild card thrown in the mix and we’re really excited to show you how it’s all going to play out.I think this all but confirms that Tamara is NOT a Neverland character, and most likely not a fictional character at all.
Wendy met Peter Pan in the real world. 😉 If Tamara’s gonna end up in SB, how’s that gonna happen? Especially if she’s a true, real world outsider, with no knowledge of any magical lands? They don’t like her kind coming into SB. But if she’s Wendy, they may be more inclined to let her in.
I liked that they showed Rumple teaching each of them a different way to summon magic. I hope it shows his own evolution in what he believes for himself. Like I said in another thread, he could have said to Emma, “Think how much you hate the people you want kept out,” but instead he said, “Think how much you want to protect the ones you love.”
@KFChimera wrote:
Bae seemed surprised that Emma could use magic. Maybe not everyone can access their emotions in quite that way. I think of it like acting. Everyone can pretend, but clearly some people are so much better at conveying complex emotions that it is almost like magic the way they can portray so much.
This is a great explanation IMO!
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I am very interested to see how Hook will respond to the killing of Cora. He and Cora had a very shaky alliance and now that Rumple is fully healed and immortal once more, will Hook go after Bae? Or Henry?
Is it possible that Cora gave Hook the poison and sent him after Rumple? I mean, Cora wanted to be The Dark One, I don’t believe that was just a spur of the moment change in her plan. It was entirely too convenient that Rumple was dying, so, “Oh well, guess I’ll hafta stab him and inherit his powers.” Wouldn’t be surprised if she’d set up the situation. Even if so, I doubt Hook will be especially sad to be rid of her.
Was just gonna mention his tweet with the ring on the script, but you beat me to it by about 60 seconds, SpinningGold. 😛 I hadn’t noticed it changing colour during the ep, will keep an eye out for it on re-watch, but now I’m highly suspicious, given Robert’s photo.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
She only brought up love so he’d change the contract so she wouldn’t owe him anything because Cora refuses to owe people things.
This. Not long before Cora met Rumple, maybe an hour or so at most, she’d said to the King, “You’ve got some nerve disparaging me, you’re selling off your own flesh and blood.” Then Rumple presents her with a contract and she gives him the side eye and says, “My first born child?” She’s not gonna change her opinion on the morality of selling off your own flesh and blood in the space of a couple of hours. I think she was scheming the whole time to find a way to get the power, the adoration, and keep the baby.
Don’t think anyone’s mentioned this yet, but I liked how Henry told Emma that she could beat the bad guys. He may be pissed at her, but he still has faith in her.
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
Favorite Things:
*Interesting how Rumple used a good thought to help Emma conjure up her magic (protecting her family) but used an angry thought to help Cora do something magical with the straw (anger at those who were mean to her). Fascinating scenes and I loved them airing back to back.That matching pair of scenes was perfect. I also liked that it gave us insight into how Rumple spun his gold, by holding onto that festering hate in his soul. Interesting how he told Belle that he spins to forget, and now we see that it’s quite the opposite. Also, I think that seeing him instruct Emma to use love instead of hate shows that he’s learning. He didn’t tell her, “Think about how much you hate those b!tches you wanna keep out,” instead it was, “Think how much you wanna protect those you love.” He’s totally learning. *patting Rumple on the back*
*I’m shocked but yet not shocked by MM actually using the candle. You can only take so much before you hit a breaking point. Fascinating character development for her and what will this now do to her family?
I’d figured Cora was gonna suffer death by candle, but had no idea how the candle would pop up again in SB. Rumple pointing her directly to it was very cool, and so typically him.
*Rumple and Belle’s entire phone conversation and the fact that Emma & Neal were right there to hear what he said to her. *tears*
Even though I’d watched that scene a bunch of times since the sneak peek came out, it still got to me. It was written and acted so perfectly! FEELS!
*MM is freaking brilliant when she has her mind set to something. I loved those scenes with Regina for how powerful they were but dang, I honestly didn’t think MM had that kind of manipulation in her!
My eyes were bugging out when she was manipulating Regina like that. Excellent solution to the dilemma of how to get Cora’s heart back in her, but dayum, Snow! I loved that she was trying to act as Snow-tastic as she possibly could, always believing in the good in Regina, but underneath it all was that dark motive. Just, wow!
Least Favorite:
*Rumple & Cora’s ‘romance’. They give me the heebie jeebies! 😕No lie, I actually had my hands in front of my face, peeking through my fingers. All their smoochy scenes made my skin crawl, and it’s not because I love Rumbelle, it’s just that Corumple were weird and creepy.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Least Favorite
–The Cora and Rumple nonsense that we’re all going to be debating about. Did she really love him? Was she playing him? I think she was playing him to get him to change the deal.I started out typing this post, thinking that she’d thought she loved him, but she didn’t really understand what love was, so it wasn’t true, which is why her kiss had no affect on his curse. But a comment I made at the end of the post has made me change my mind, and I think she was just playing him to get out of having to give up her baby.
BTW, I love how they dismantled and re-assembled the classic version of this story. K&H are brilliant!
@AntBee wrote:
I really can’t say that I feel bad for Regina at all, even though, it seems terrible of me.
I feel bad for her as far as it sucks that she’s been so manipulated in this situation, and it was her mother, someone she loved, who screwed her up in such a magnificent way. But I’ve never been a true Regina sympathiser, and doubt I ever will be, because she’s at a point in her life now where she should have been able to get some perspective and turn things around for the better.
@Swanning-Off wrote:
AMAZEBALLS episode! Loved it.
Favourite points:
1) “This would have been enough. You would have been enough” – Cora realising, with her heart back in, that she didn’t need to do all of her scheming, killing and manipulating. The “mere” love of her daughter was fulfilling enough. Epic feels.I’m glad Cora and Regina had that one moment. Barbara Hershey’s genuine smile when she got her heart back was tragic.
4) loved Snow’s manipulation of Regina. Brilliant tactic. ALSO loved that she regretted it immediately and tried to stop it, but was too late. Regina, naturally, will see this as further evidence of Snow’s evilness and not her own family’s f**ked up way of dealing with things. Regina never sees the consequences of her or her mother’s actions, but sees Snow’s consequences all too clearly.
Yes, I liked that they had Snow running in, hoping to stop it. I think both acts, the dooming of Cora, and the attempt to save her, were played very believably. Of course Snow will do what must be done to save her family, in particular her innocent little grandson. I don’t blame her at all for using that candle. But they really needed to show her regretting the decision too, so I’m glad they went there.
3) Emma calling her father “David”. I dunno, I just think in moments of extreme emotion it would be more powerful for her to finally start calling her mother and father Mum and Dad. But I acknowledge that she met them as Mary Margaret and David – she doesn’t even call her mother Snow like the rest of town does.
This stuck out to me too. I almost said out loud, “David? Really? He’s your dad FFS!” In such an emotional situation, it seemed like a “dad” was in order.
@Elle wrote:
I honestly didn’t really care for the Cora flashbacks that much. They were obviosuly trying to put in some last minute sympathy for her in the episode and it wasn’t bad. I just didn’t care for it that much. Plus, redeeming every single villain on the show is starting to get old. Cora may not have technically been redeemed, but it just feels as though they suddenly tried to make her out to be so nice.
I didn’t get “nice” from her at all. I felt a little bit of sympathy for her at the very start, seeing that she was basically running the mill on her own, having to deal with a drunk father, and being humiliated. But the way she went about getting herself out of the situation, and her whole motivation for it, didn’t make me sympathetic towards her cause.
@Naomi wrote:
– Surprising, because I wasn’t expecting it, but the father and son moment. Rumple extends his hand towards his son, and Bae grabs it. Kind of like a reversal of the whole green portal fiasco, as someone pointed out. I teared up.
OMG it’s totally the opposite of when he let go of his hand, and that scene just made me wanna reach into the screen and hug them both! I also liked that Emma overheard, “I’ve spent a lifetime looking for you, to tell you I love you,” and you could tell that that hit home because she spent two years in Tallahassee and has likely been searching for him everywhere since then too. Another thing I loved about that scene was MRJ’s delivery of “I’m still angry,” he sounded like a hurt child, and it was perfect.
@TheEvilOne wrote:
2. Cora and technology 😆 😆 😆
“I don’t like what the enchanted box is saying,” will go down as one of my most fave Once quotes ever. 😆
@Arkham258 wrote:
Favorite
1. I found Cora’s death poetic. The three people she’s hurt in her life all had a hand in it, especially Regina and Snow.Yes, I loved that. In the end, Cora got her wish, she did make Snow’s heart go to a dark place, and she even used that candle she’d given her. And in achieving that goal, Cora doomed herself. Evil doesn’t pay, kids!
3. There’s a certain irony to Gold living due to his family, and Cora dying due to hers
In the scene at the ball, when Cora had that line to the King about how disgusting it was to sell off your own flesh and blood, that was so sad, knowing how she was gonna abuse her daughter. Though now that I’m thinking of it, that same mentality could be why she manipulated Rumple into changing the deal, so that she’d never had to give up her flesh and blood. So she kept the child, but ended up destroying her. Twisted and sad.
7. It’s sad, there was a moment where Snow got through to Regina and convinced her to do something GOOD, indicating that maybe there was still a way to save Regina from the dark path she was on.
Just another thing that added to the overall theme of tragedy in this ep. Regina fell for the plan, because there was still some good in her, and giving in to that desire to do good, led to the death of her mother.
8. Boy, is Belle gonna be mad when sees Gold walking around and decides that he lied to her in that phone call. In the state she’s in right now, she might think this crazy guy was trying to manipulate her.
Oh I hadn’t thought of that! That will be sad, though understandable, if she reacts like that.
Was really hoping for some flashback stuff in this promo. You’d think they’d have at least thrown a shot of Sheriff Graham in there to shock the non-spoiled viewers into thinking, “OMGHOWISHEALIVE?!”
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
To me it looks like the scene where Regina has a heart at 21 sec. is when she crushed Graham’s heart in 1×7 Heart of the Lonely Hunter.
It’s definitely that same scene. I’ve rewatched that scene (and that episode in general) so many times since it aired last year that I always know when anything from that episode gets used in a promo! 😀
That’s good to know. Maybe Regina will just reach in and give Snow’s heart a little squeeze, but not actually take it, just to let her know she can. Even if she does end up taking the heart, I’m not too concerned that she’ll squash it. They won’t kill off Snow.
