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@Andreth Stark wrote:
However, in that same lecture, he said, on regards of literary belief:
“Children” (and I add; all of us, no matter our age) “are capable, of course, of literary belief, when the story-maker’s art is good enough to produce it. That state of mind has been called “willing suspension of disbelief.” But this does not seem to me a good description of what happens. What really happens is that the story-maker proves a successful “sub-creator.” He makes a Secondary World which your mind can enter. Inside it, what he relates is “true”: it accords with the laws of that world. You therefore believe it, while you are, as it were, inside. The moment disbelief arises, the spell is broken; the magic, or rather art, has failed. You are then out in the Primary World again, looking at the little abortive Secondary World from outside. If you are obliged, by kindliness or circumstance, to stay, then disbelief must be suspended (or stifled), otherwise listening and looking would become intolerable. But this suspension of disbelief is a substitute for the genuine thing, a subterfuge we use when condescending to games or make-believe, or when trying (more or less willingly) to find what virtue we can in the work of an art that has for us failed.”I think I get what you’re saying and understand a bit better now how you can still get into stories like this. My brain is wired completely differently. For me, there isn’t a Primary and Secondary world as such. One of the reasons I love reading Tolkien is because I can believe that that land and that magic was really a part of the actual universe I live in. As someone who does believe in magic, fate, destiny, coincidence, God, a whole other spiritual plane, etc, those factors in a story overlap with my own world, so I don’t need to really completely suspend disbelief in order to believe in a fictional world, and perhaps that means I don’t get bothered by the same things you do, because I don’t need my fictional world to be as precisely, flawlessly constructed in order for it to be real to me. If it already feels like the fictional world is connected to my real world, I can’t have the illusion so easily ruined and get sucked out of it.
[adrotate group="5"]Portal green….Peter Pan green…whatever you wanna call it, when Nealfire wants a pop of bright colour in his apartment, he likes green, (once I’d noticed the very prominent TV, the rest of it started jumping out)…
@Mich7 wrote:
Wanted to add this after thinking about it last night. The writers on the podcast said that there were some very important things in Hook’s ship that belong to Cora…and one very important thing. I had been wondering if that might not have been her heart. If it is and she doesn’t get it before Hook sets sail for Manhattan it might be possible that once Cora gets the dagger that Emma and co. might find her heart on the ship…they would then have a trump card when dealing with Cora when she comes after Rumple with the dagger…Something Cora would be willing to exchange the dagger for.
I’ve no doubt that one of her things from the ship is her heart. I’ll bet she got it off the ship and hid it somewhere safe by now though. Was thinking about this earlier and decided it’d be awesome if Regina gets her hands on both the dagger, and Cora’s heart, which she gives to Rumple and tells him to crush it, like he told her to finish off the unicorn that time. Would be a nice little parallel, right down to the fact that it was a black unicorn and Cora’s full of dark magic.
I noticed a lot of bright green popping out at me in his apartment this time.
13 and the Grim reaper – It was Bae’s 14th birthday when Rumple became the Dark One, wasn’t it? So life as he knew it ended at 13.
On top of the bookshelf there’s a large, framed picture that looks like it could be two parents with their child standing in the middle.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Great idea for a thread! I can’t really make out the poster in the first photo, but I think at the top it contains some nonsense words: Sled Bland.
The words above that, can’t make out the first one but I think the other two are “members of”. Given that there are 5 bold headings underneath, I guess the first word may be “five” and those headings are names? Can’t read them though, even if I screencap it at full screen and zoom in, it gets too blurry.
@Comfae wrote:
Some spoiler pics showed that Nealfire and Tamara know each other, and the canadian promo hinted that Nealfire is also Peter Pan. So there’s a fairy following Nealfire Pan, and Hook finds Rumple too easily, here’s my idea : Tamara/Tinker Bell tells Hook where Rumple is. Hook stabs Rumple. To save his father, Nealfire agrees to go to Storybrooke, which is a great opportunity for Tamara/Tinker Bell to meet her “boss”.
Great idea! I’d been wondering how Hook could possibly find Rumple in NYC.
The list of people in SB who know where Rumple and Co are is pretty short. The Charmings certainly do, but I can’t see them giving up that info to Hook. August knows where Nealfire lives, because he sent the postcard, but does Hook know anything about August to even think of asking him? I assume that any information August knows about Nealfire, Blue also must know, but again, how much would Hook know about her, and would she give him the info?
If Tamara is Tink (Tinkmara?), she’s someone Hook would recognise if he saw her, and we know that she knows Nealfire. Wonder if she’s still in NYC in the present day, or already back in SB? If SB, Hook could get info from her before he sets off on his mission. If she’s in NYC, it’ll have to be something more coincidental for him to happen to find her there.
@TheDarkOne wrote:
-Neal’s 3 minute speech to Rumpel. He just broke my heart in that scene.
“Clock’s ticking,” “Two minutes,” “One Minute”, “Time’s up,” were like nails being hammered into Rumple’s coffin. I love how MRJ delivered those lines so quickly and softly, like it was killing him inside as well.
@Schmacky wrote:
I don’t recall if she ever apologized, she just made excuses.
Actually she did the opposite of making excuses. She owned up to it. He asked why she lied, she explained why.. said he was a thief, a liar, and a bad guy, that he broke her heart. And then she said how she didn’t tell him because she wanted to forget that time of her life and she thought more of herself than him. And then she literally said the words, “I’m sorry.”
Yep, the moment she realised just how wrong she’d been and how much her lie had hurt him, she tearfully said, “I’m sorry,” which is something I don’t think he’s ever got from Regina. He may not have said, “Apology accepted,” but I believe that Emma acknowledging in that moment that his feelings are valid will help him to forgive her.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
Maybe since the ship was enchanted like Bae’s shawl was, the ship will still be invisible when he leaves Storybrooke?
Yeah I was wondering that too. Evidently people lose their magic, but objects can retain it, (not just the shawl, but Regina’s objects retained their magic in the jump to SB too). Though it’d look less suspect if he sailed the visible ship into NY, instead of docking an invisible ship and stepping off it in front of people.
Pretty sure they’ll all have to hitch a ride on that boat to get back to SB. If Neal is Pan, and he and Hook had a civil relationship in the past, maybe he’ll be able to say, “Do it for me?” Maybe that’s what the scene between Neal and Emma is about?
Neal: Maybe we can use Hook’s ship.
Emma: Yeah, THAT’S gonna happen.
Neal: Well, I sorta know the guy, so maybe I can reason with him.
Emma: You know Hook?@Naomi wrote:
And while there’s a 99.999999% chance Neal’s “stopover” took place in Neverland (where he subsequently met Hook and stopped aging)…isn’t there an itsy-bitsy-tiny chance that it could’ve been Wonderland where they met? I’m just bringing that up because there were a bunch of playing cards (Clubs) stuck to the wall of his apartment next to the ominous number 13s. And remember the Cleaners & Hatters sign and all the heart paraphernalia?
Yeah I noticed those cards and wondered if they may have significance. Don’t think Hook was in Wonderland long enough to meet anyone other than Cora though, and Wonderland doesn’t prevent you from aging, does it? Some people had thought that Neal may be the White Rabbit, given some Wonderland-ish stuff in his apartment. The most obvious one is the sign screaming HATTERS, and I wonder if that could have been a nod to Neal being Bae, because he went down a whirling vortex portal like the Hatter does. Now that we know from the promo that he went to another world first, that means he’s portal jumped at least twice, maybe more if he’s Pan and was able to go back and forth between here and Neverland multiple times.
@medchen wrote:
I loved and hated the Seer- those eyes in the palms are just so –Yuirck! =P
Watching her made my hands itchy! GAH! 😕
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think Greg will only become important once we dispatch with Cora. And I keep going back and forth on when that will happen, before the end of the season or at the very end of the season.
Yep, I’ll be surprised if Cora outlives this season, and I reckon they’re introducing Greg to be a major force for next season. They’ll probably drop some really big bombshell to do with him in the season finale, and leave us to agonise over it for the whole hiatus. They’re gradually weaving him into the story, and I believe it’s building up to something huge.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
I loved that Nealfire told Rumpel exactly what was on his mind. Rumpel needed to hear it. Poor Rumps was under the delusion that he could just solve all his problems by turning Bae back into a little boy again, but too much has happened. Neal is a completely different person now. My heart broke for both of them.
I liked how Neal referred to magic as “crap” multiple times. Poor dude has been through so much and tried to rid himself of it, but it keeps finding him. He’s got this old soul, weariness about him that I really like.
I’m hoping that this is just one big trick on Regina’s part. I’d love for it to be revealed that she was secretly playing her mother and at the last minute, turns the tables on her.
This is my hope too. I’m not even an EvilRegal, but I’m holding onto the hope that she’s playing Cora at her own game. In the promo for the next ep, when they're digging up the dagger, Cora says, “I'll use that dagger to force the Dark One to kill anyone you like,” and in the middle of it it cuts to a shot of Regina and something about her expression seems to be saying, “Careful what you wish for, mother.”
@EvilQueen wrote:
Not to mention Henry’s statement “You’re just like her, Regina” – I’m sorry, writers, but this is just an 11-year old boy.
Exactly, he’s 11. Kids have a simple view of things, and both Regina and Emma lied to him because they didn’t think he could handle the truth. I thought the comment was fair enough.
He absolutely hates Regina and seriously, this hatred is just too much for me to take in the light of him being so OK with Bae leaving them in the first place. He easily forgives him while he’s so hurt by Emma’s lie?
Henry isn’t aware of all the details of how Neal left. All he knows is Emma never even told Neal that she was pregnant, and then when Henry asked about his father, she lied about him being dead, in order to protect herself. Going on what information Henry knows, Neal is blameless in being an absent father until now, and it’s Emma’s fault. I can’t really compare his acceptance of Neal to his disdain for Regina. One never knew he existed, and the other lied to him, controlled him, and made him miserable.
