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I figured that the beanstalk must have been enchanted somehow to make it invisible, or at least hidden unless you know where to look for it. Arlo says to Anton, “You told the humans you were coming here, didn’t you? You showed them the beanstalk.” So it must be hidden by some magical means, because otherwise, it’s gonna kinda stick out like a sore thumb on the horizon for hundreds of miles around and everyone would already know it was there. It’s likely that the location of it became known after the events in Tiny, but no one had been up (or down) since then. In Tallahassee there was that enchantment on it to repel intruders, which Hook had the counterspell for, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that at one time it had been enchanted to shield it from the view of those who didn’t already know it was there. Kinda like SB, I guess.

Of course, that doesn’t necessarily answer the question of why Rumple and Blue didn’t know about it, considering they seem to be all knowing. I’m guessing at one point, the Fairies probably traded closely with Giants, so you’d think Blue would have known where the beanstalk was, and could be the one who enchanted it for them, (we need Tiny to see Blue in SB to see if he recognises her). That could explain why Rumple knew nothing of it, if it was protected by some particular fairy magic he couldn’t break. Regarding Blue, that would have to lead back to the theory of her being shady, because if she knew where the Giants were, she knew where more beans were too, but she chose not to tell.

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@medchen wrote:

The colors on the clothes have ment something before so lets hope. Im still hoping Regina is just playing her mother.

I don’t think she is, but I believe she’ll get free of Cora. It just probably won’t be until the end of this season or maybe even next season. Regina has even said her mother’s hold on her heart is too strong. I thinking being with Cora and being so broken, really has pushed her to the bad side. I mean Regina is an addict. She enjoys magic and aligning with Cora means she can use magic. In the sneak peek, Regina’s face lights up when she is praised by Cora. The addiction to magic, broken spirit, and need for mommy’s love and approval is too strong right now.

The last time Regina saw Cora, she was all, “I needed you dead because you’re my weakness, because I love you.” This season we’ve seen it blatantly stated that love isn’t weakness, it’s strength. Regina loves Henry, (in her messed up way). Regina caved to Cora when the old hag was talking about getting to Henry. I’m holding out hope that in that moment, Regina’s love for Henry, and the need to protect him, became the strength she needed to play Cora at her own game.

It’d be much easier for Regina to take Cora out if she’s lulled her into a false sense of security. No sense getting her mad and having her lash out, because Regina knows her mother is crazy powerful and would win in an all out, screaming, hair tearing, cat fight. But keep her close, keep her calm, learn what tricks she has that may be useful, gain her trust, then strike when the moment is right to take her out and keep Henry safe. Much more intelligent way to approach it. Here’s hoping Regina is playing it smart.

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@medchen wrote:

Not long now WUHUU!!! But I have a feeling some people are gonna wish they hadn’t seen it tomorrow, because of that big bad thing that allegedly is going to happen 😯
I hope its gonna be big 😎 and bad 😈 and not a let down since now we’ve been speculating about it so much, we might put too much into it.. but we will soon see.

Huh? What bad thing? What’d I miss? 😮

The reveal of the actual “big bad” of the show, and the “spine chilling” shock ending. The speculation over the last few days has been exhausting but so fun. Can’t wait to see if any of our crackpot speculations are anywhere near the mark, or if we’re all way off track. 😆

@LisaS wrote:

One thing that nobody has touched on is whether or not during tonight’s episode is if Henry will find out that Neal/Baelfire is his father.

It’s been said that Emma’s heart will break twice in this ep, and some have wondered if perhaps one of those times will be Henry being angry at her for having lied about his father.

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@SpinningGold wrote:

driven by love or hate,

I’d say they’re both driven by love. The loss of love has driven them both to do hateful things.

I adore both of these characters, so can’t choose a side. 😛

With Rumple, we’ve already seen his humble beginnings and know his motivations, so I guess it’s easier for people to appreciate all the conflicting layers that make up the character, and conclude that he’s the better man. We haven’t yet seen what drove Hook to piracy, but whose to say there wasn’t some tragic event that set him on that path, the same way that Rumple was set on his path to becoming the Dark One?

I’ve been wondering all season if Killian’s surname of Jones means he has some familial connection to Davy Jones. If so, then his early life probably wasn’t all sweetness and light. Maybe he had a rough life and ended up resorting to a life of crime to get by. Maybe his father (and/or mother) was a pirate, so it’s the only life he’s ever known. Maybe he has epic mummy issues that means he couldn’t ever allow himself to be emotionally vulnerable with women, so instead he was a manwhore, until he eventually let Milah in, and then he lost her, so reverted to his old ways so as not to get hurt again.

Many don’t think that Hook could be that deep, but I think K&H have proved that they relish in giving their badguys complex origin stories, and that evil isn’t born, it’s made, so I’d expect no less when it comes to Hook’s history. Being open to the possibility that Hook will eventually be revealed to be emotionally complex, and being eager to see it unfold, means I can’t help but love him and be intrigued by him.

Though Rumple’s layers are wonderful, I loved him even before any of that was revealed, because he was da man. I loved how powerful he was, how devious he was, how he manipulated people to his own needs like an absolute pro. The first time we met him, he was locked in a cell like a criminal, looking dangerous, speaking in a creepy, cryptic way…and I was instantly in love. His layers have given me all new levels of appreciation for him, but even before that, I was a Rumplegirl.

In a similar way, even though we were introduced to Hook as being less than honourable, there was instantly something, (beyond the stubbly exterior) that I found compelling.

I’d give them a point each, but I guess that’d be sort of redundant. 😛

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@Code1125 wrote:

A new theory just popped into my head: What if the item inside August’s box that he showed Neal was a magic bean? Neal would instantly recognize that as magical and know for a fact that August knows what he’s talking about! But the question is, how did August obtain one?

Interesting idea! Maybe Blue has had a spare bean the whole time and gave it to August to show to Neal?

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@LisaS wrote:

@AngieBelle wrote:

Yes, I think August does know Neal is Bae…how else would he even know Rumple had a son when he faked him out last season. It’s not common knowledge.

Question is who told him ? The Blue Fairy ?

Probably Neal himself after their encounter…but it does leave me wondering if those who are originally from the enchanted forest are automatically drawn together- otherwise Emma and Bae meeting each other is one crazy coincidence.

It would make sense if the reason for the curse and the one to break it were drawn together by some force they had no control over.

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@Gypsy wrote:

Ruth said the pendant could predict the sex of an unborn baby….it would swing N/S for a boy and E/W for a girl.
When she held the pendant up it didn’t swing, denoting that Snow was not pregnant.

Ruth’s exact words:

Ruth: My mother gave this to me when I was pregnant. She said it was spelled by a gypsy to predict the sex of your first-born, even before you’re with child.

The pendant wasn’t a pregnancy test indicator, it was purely a gender indicator.

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@MysteryKat25 wrote:

(depending on how Neverland is portrayed here, we don’t know yet but typically Peter / Lost Boys have issues with Hook)

Typically, yes. However, when Hook mentioned the Lost Boys in Tallahassee, he appeared to do so with an air of fond nostalgia. This makes me wonder even more if Hook knew Milah’s son in Neverland, and they actually kinda got along, which would make for some delightfully awkward situations if Hook, Bae, and Rumple, all end up in SB. Hook and Rumple hate each other. Rumple wants to reunite with Bae, who may well be wary of him. Hook and Bae are old buddies. *fireworks*

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@PJSparkles wrote:

4. The Blue Fairy is up to something. (not a theory I readily get behind but I see more of a case building for hidden motives)

I’ve been untrusting of Blue for ages, so this is the theory I subscribe to, (also, as per the thread title, I do take issue with Blue’s wardrobe, but that’s a whole other topic :P).

The spoilery stuff regarding this is really just speculation. We were tossed some very vague hints, and our imaginations sorta ran riot trying to figure it out, but there’s not even any hard evidence to suggest that we’re on the right track. So it doesn’t really give any definite spoilers away to say that some people are now wondering if maybe Bae was actually the threat that Blue was trying to rid FTL of when she gave him the bean, because maybe there was some prophecy about him becoming a powerful evil force in the future, (in other words, Bae is our Anakin, the boy with the prophecy about him, and it all ends up a hot mess). Like I said though, no specific info we’ve been given proves this, the info doesn’t even specifically mention Blue or Bae, it’s just people wildly speculating.

Anyway, I mention that because I think it could play into why she didn’t simply tell Rumple to go jump in a tree, if he hadn’t been the real big bad she’d been concerned with getting rid of after all. Granted, he ended up posing a massive threat to all of FTL, but perhaps at the time, she thought she could manage him, and by the time she conceded that she couldn’t manage him, there was no way they could cooperate with each other.

On a far simpler line of thought, if he hadn’t trusted the bean she gave Bae, then why should she think he’d trust a tree portal even if she hooked him up with one?

There’s also the question of why Rumple didn’t just make a tree portal himself, because surely, over the years, the knowledge of enchanted trees didn’t escape him? I think this suggests that in order to turn an enchanted tree into a portal, there’s some sort of specific fairy magic needed that he simply couldn’t do himself.

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@SpinningGold wrote:

Now let us keep this a clean fight. That means not mud slinging!

Can’t we just set up a mud wrestling pit and let the men themselves fight it out? 😉

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Bae must know that Rumple has been searching for him, and has been on the run from his dad ever since.

Which is why I’m still wondering if perhaps the leaked script lines where Rumple is yelling at someone for breaking a deal with him may actually be him yelling at Nealfire, who still wants nothing to do with him, even though he’s now without magic. Of course, it makes sense if Rumple says that to Emma too, if she fails to convince Nealfire to talk to him, but I’ve got a nagging feeling that that assumption may be too obvious.

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