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@RumplesGirl wrote:
Hook, you’re making it very hard for me to really like you…
It’s a shame he’s being so mean and trying to get Belle in this clip, because that sideways glance and the sly grin he gives her…I may have melted just a tad. Oh Hook, how you toy with my emotions. 😉
[adrotate group="5"]The whole messed up family tree bit doesn’t squick me out because I’ve never looked at Regina and Leopold’s marriage as a “real” marriage. It was just a convenience thing so Snow had a mother figure around, and I doubt that the marriage was ever even consummated, so I’m not really worried that Regina coulda been sleeping with her uncle. Royal family trees are meant to be tied in knots with cousins marrying each other and whatnot. 😛
@Kellyn1604 wrote:
I don’t know…my personal experiences are obviously clouding my judgement but it would be really hard to be married and never talk about yourself especially if they really were as in love as we are lead to believe. There would always be a wall between them which would have kept them from having an end all be all love story….
Sorry about your sister. 🙁 I can only imagine how horrible that must have been, and it’s totally understandable that that would influence your judgement of this situation.
What you say about Eva and Leopold having had a wall up if this theory proved true, well perhaps they did. Or perhaps Eva did sometimes sadly mention a sister, though not by name, who had done wrong and how Eva wished she could have changed and maybe if they’d just given her one more chance. That trait would tie in with the person Snow became, and how we saw her wanting to give Regina one final chance.
@ScarletLady wrote:
I actually have a family member who did something horrible & was estranged from the family. I didn’t even know this person existed until I was 10ish.
What a terrible situation. 🙁 Sorry your family had to go through that.
@Kellyn1604 wrote:
If Eva and Cora were sisters and estranged wouldn’t Eva still have invited her to her own wedding either to rub it in or to extend an olive branch if she is anything like Snow?
In the little theory I’ve cooked up in my head, it’s a full on excommunication type deal. Like their father is all, “Cora’s name will never be uttered by anyone in the family ever again, she’s dead to us,” kinda thing. And/or maybe the family feared for their safety if they continued any association with her, so they totally cut her off and never spoke of her to anyone.
Of course, Eva could have vaguely mentioned to Leopold about an estranged sister, but as long as she didn’t mention her name, there’d have been no reason for Leopold to have recognised Cora when they met in Stable Boy.
And hasn’t Rose Red and Snow White already been alluded to by the friendship between Snow and Red? I mean they are best friends and act like sisters. I don’t think their pairing was random. I think it was meant to be a nod to that story.
Yeah that’s what they’re doing with making Snow and Red so close. The Snow from that story is a different Snow White, and it’s not like they can have two different Snow White’s on the show, so it’s impossible for them to do Snow White and Rose Red as a separate story and characters. I love how they paired Snow and Red up as BFFs.
I could see Cora and Eva having been estranged sisters to the point that Eva never told Leopold she’d had a sister. Perhaps whatever goes down between Cora, Rumple and Henry is such a hot mess that it brings shame to her family and they disown her, so she cooks up the plan to kill off her sister and have Regina marry her sister’s husband as a means of revenge. There’s gotta be some reason that Cora chose Leopold and Snow in particular, I don’t believe it was mere chance, because Cora is nothing if not calculated. If we go with the theory that Cora is the one who killed Eva, then there’s gotta be a motive, and being sisters who’d had a major falling out could potentially provide that motive.
Was trying to figure out how their ages would all fit together to see if it’d work that Eva and Leopold could have met after Cora had become estranged, but it’s tricky when we don’t know exactly when stuff happened and how old they all were at certain points.
How old do we reckon Cora was around the time she and Regina met Snow? Late 40s – 50ish?
Snow was 12ish around that time. We don’t know how old she was when she lost her mother, but if they’re getting Bailee back for this ep, they can’t make her much younger, so let’s say she lost her mum when she was 10ish?
The casting call for Katerina(Eva) was for a 40 year old, (Rena Sofer is 45).
So a couple of years before the events of Stable Boy, Snow was 10ish, Eva was 40, and Cora was potentially 40ish too. So if Eva and Cora were sisters, there probably wasn’t much of an age difference.
However, there’s a significant age difference between Snow and Regina, probably close to the 10 year mark, if Snow was about 12 and Regina was about 20 when they met.So if events surrounding Cora marrying Henry and having Regina resulted in Cora being kicked out of the family, that still allows 8ish years for Eva to meet Leopold and have Snow, which makes it believable IMO that Leopold never had to know that Eva ever had a sister if she was never spoken about after she was excommunicated.
Granted, it’s all just speculation at this point, but if they did plan to make Regina’s mother and Snow’s mother sisters, I doubt they’d have given any hints to suggest it before dropping the bombshell, coz it’d be a pretty huge bombshell that they’d wanna shock people with.
It’ll be interesting to see how the Charmings handle this. Both have a valid argument for wanting to stay or go, but they’ll have to reach an agreement somehow.
It seems wrong for them to be calling each other by their SB names still. It’s a bit odd when all the characters do it, but these two in particular, it just feels wrong. As if Snow and Charming wouldn’t be calling each other Snow and Charming now. It seems so impersonal for them to use their SB names, especially for two characters who have such a close and intimate relationship.
@ScarletLady wrote:
In the story of Snow White, she is the result of a wish her mother made. I’m going with Rumple had something to do with how Eva became a mother
It’d be kinda fun if Rumple had had to go through some trial and error in order to get the right combo of people to make his curse work, (and break). Maybe he tried working with Cora on it, but she wasn’t up to the task and Regina wasn’t the right baby, so instead he messed with Eva, and helped her get a kid so he could use them instead, but still it wasn’t right, so he kept trying to tweak the circumstances until along came Emma and JACKPOT.
I’m guessing the ep will end when Hook gets hit by the car, because it’s a nice little dramatic cliffhanger ending to not just have him hit by the car, but more importantly, because an outsider will have just driven into town, and then they leave us hanging for a week to see who he is and how he got there.
The fireball has gotta be during Rumple vs Hook in the forest. Maybe if the speculation about Belle taking a bullet is true, this will be Rumple’s retaliation, and then the car will come speeding into the shot. Perhaps.
@EIreland wrote:
Unless Neal isn’t Bae 😉
I held off for ages on deciding one way or the other, sometimes I thought he had to be, sometimes I thought he wasn’t. Have officially joined TeamNealfire now though, and will be surprised if he’s not.
Thanks for the link, Mike. I’ve been dying to see who they’d cast as Snow’s mother, and must say they’ve chosen well!
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Also, I doubt Emma will want to practice magic once she discovers Regina’s innocence, since magic is what led Emma to doubt her instincts that Regina didn’t kill Archie. Emma already knows the price she paid for using magic was disrupting the détente that she and Regina discovered in co-parenting Henry at the end of 2×9.
Good point. Though if Emma had have just kept watching, she may have seen more that would have revealed it wasn’t Regina, so she may not put all the blame on magic, and will at least in part blame herself for having reacted so quickly. But yes, I’d say that she’d probably be questioning the reliability of magic, and would realise that it’s not an instant cure all for any problem. She’s lived in our world long enough to know that solutions don’t come that easy, and if they do, it’s probably too good to be true.
If anything, I believe Emma will try and keep Henry from Regina if Regina falls off of the no-magic bandwagon. The only reason I could see for Emma using magic would be to protect Henry from anyone like Cora or Regina using magic to get Henry. While Emma may use magic to protect her family from Cora, she likely won’t do so more than she absolutely must.
So if Henry wants to use it, just now and then, just to help people, and Emma forbids it, then it’s one of those, “do as I say, not as I do” situations, which could create animosity between them. It could even drive him to try it on the sly, which could lead to no good if he’s trying to figure it out himself. I wouldn’t envision him intentionally setting out to use magic for an evil purpose, but then, Rumple didn’t start out wanting to use magic for an evil purpose either. He wanted to save a family member and end a war, (Henry may end up in much the same situation if he wants to save Regina and end the battle that’s shaping up in SB). The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I also think she’s on to Mr. Gold, and won’t fall for his manipulations like Regina did. Emma isn’t vulnerable like Regina was, because Emma has her family.
Agreed, there’s no way that Emma will be as easy of a target as Regina was.
Also, when Nealfire enters the picture, he’s going to be dead set against anyone using magic. Bae/Neal knows better than anyone the price of using dark magic, since he paid for it the rest of life growing up as an orphan in a strange land. If Emma, Regina, or Rumple try to use magic with or around Henry, I think Neal could intervene and step up as a father to Henry who discourages magic.
Nealfire would certainly be against magic. That could create some interesting tension between him and Emma. Hadn’t really thought about that before, but now I wanna see it happen.
