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@AntBee wrote:

Sorry I meant to reply earlier. Jane Espenson tweeted that Maurice got his land and title through fighting under someone of power. I can’t find the tweet now though unfortunately.

Thanks for the tip, AntBee. Just had a google and tracked down her tweet…
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@emiliehballo Maurice was a knight who was granted control over a region of land including a village. Minor royalty at best.

Knight, soldier, same thing.

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Also, I think Gerhardt might just possibly be a “fake name” as a place-holder, the way that Anastasia and Magnolia were pseudonyms for Aurora and Mulan, respectively.

That’s why I’m thinking he could be a young Maurice, because they wouldn’t release his actual name if they were casting a young Maurice, because it’d give away instantly what the ep is gonna be about.

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Children can be petty though. Even Henry with his strong moral side may fall prey to that. Children know the difference between right and wrong so Henry isn’t going to go out and turn people into snails like Rumple did but, for example, say another child was really mean to Henry at school, Henry could use his magic to make that child’s trousers fall down or make the drinking fountain spray so that it looks like the child has wet themselves. One small slip in using magic for the wrong reasons could send Henry down the slippery slope.

That’s a fair point, I guess there’s always a risk that he could start using magic to misbehave. Perhaps his disdain for Regina and having seen how magic corrupted her would keep him scared straight though? I used to have a bother in law who did every drug to excess and fried his brain and ended up schizophrenic. Seeing what drugs had done to his brother meant my ex was never even slightly tempted to try drugs. Henry may have a similar mindset and not ever want to use magic at all, but if he did, he may use it very cautiously, having seen what it can do to a person.

Of course, Regina saw what magic had done to her mother, didn’t like it, but still ended up getting corrupted even though she started out sweet as pie, so I suppose there would always be that risk that Henry could be corrupted as well if some tragedy befell him like what happened with Regina.

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Lost did get kinda twisty, turny and complicated. Doubt there’ll ever be another show that takes it quite to that level again. I still think they’ll address Snow’s mother at some point though. The mother/child relationship is a huge deal on this show. Regina and Henry, Emma and Henry, Snow and Emma, Regina and Cora…all the major players have mummy issues, (as opposed to Lost where it was mostly folks with daddy issues).

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I’m really intrigued by the fact that the bottle Gold put the potion in, the one that Henry is going to be wearing, has a moon symbol on it. Oddly enough almost exactly the same as the moon that Red put on the grave for her mother. Crescent moon, dot in the middle. A star. Or a sun (same difference?) Almost like the moon as trapped the sun. Henry puts out the fire. Fire, red, burning, like a sun. Henry, with the power of the moon (cool, pale light.)

Interesting that they made a reference to the sun. When I saw the headstone, the symbol reminded me of the astronomical symbol for the sun, (a circle with a dot in the middle), with a side cut out of it to form the symbol for the moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_symbols#Sun

I hadn’t thought about it before, but the themes with Red and Henry in this ep are definitely similar, so it’s cool that they seem to have linked them by using that symbol.

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It wasn’t mentioned exactly what his status was. In the original story, he was a wealthy merchant. In the Disney version, he was an inventor and people in town thought he was crazy. On Once, he seemed to be a ruler of his land, but it wasn’t mentioned exactly what his position was. If he was in fact royalty of some description, it’s not unusual for members of a royal family to serve in the military.

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I think in that case, it’s Regina who will pay the price, not Henry. Henry controlling the dream will ultimately somehow lead to Emma and Snow coming back to town. Rumple wants that, Regina doesn’t. As always, he wins, and someone else suffers. Regina was already paying the price for having tried to use the apple on Emma, because her son was suffering as a result. That meant she had to call Rumple for a solution, and said solution will lead to her nemesis arriving back in town. It’s a vicious cycle for poor Regina, the prices just keep on piling up.

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Good point, frumpybutsupersmart. Don’t think we’ve seen an example of someone casting spells just to help others instead of themselves.

It’s often said, (in our world, not talking about the show here), that magic shouldn’t be used for personal gain, lest karma will come back to bite you. Maybe that’s what’s going on with the likes of Rumple, Regina and Cora? I just googled magic for your own gain, and almost literally LOLd when I got to the second paragraph here:
http://voices.yahoo.com/magic-ethics-spells-personal-gain-wrong-3003942.html

Magic is energy, like electricity. We use electricity for our personal gain all the time- we keep our fridges running to keep our food sanitary, we use it to create light so that we can see better when we work at night, we charge our cell phones so we can call 911 in case of emergency. We even use it for more frivolous yet enjoyable pursuits, such as watching television, listening to music, or surfing the internet. If someone told you that using electricity for personal gain was unethical, you’d probably scoff at them. So why is using another type of energy- magic- any more selfish or immoral?

Of course, we could use magic for personal gain in an unethical manner. We could try to manipulate someone else’s free will with magic, to make them fall in love with us. We could use magic to try and get revenge on our enemies because we are angry at them- just for the satisfaction. We could use magic to help us pull off a successful crime. But this would be the same thing as using electricity to shock someone. It is wrong, simply, to try and hurt other people for selfish and petty reasons, but that doesn’t make casting any spells for yourself wrong.

Sound like anyone we know? 😆

I think it’d be fine for Henry to learn some magic, because he’s got a good heart and would only use it for doing good. Unlike his mother, whose motivation to learn magic was desperation, hate and a desire for revenge. Going back to the options you suggested in the first post, Faux Pax, I guess I’d liken magic to a painkiller, as opposed to a hard drug. Anyone can use painkillers if needed, and the majority of people who use them do so for the right reasons and don’t abuse them and get addicted. Other people go hard core on painkillers and pretty quickly discover they can’t live without them. It’s not the painkiller that’s the problem, it’s the person using it. I think the same can be said for magic.

I loved how they wrote Regina like an addict, even right down to the “It’s been two days since I used.” Puts it in a context that’s very real and that we can relate to.

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@FairyTalePrincess wrote:

Anyone want 36 frozen lasagnas?

The single most shocking revelation in this whole ep…Granny uses frozen lasagne?! 😮

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Don’t know why I’d never assumed that Hook went to Wonderland, but he had to have met Cora before they teamed up for this current plan, so it sorta goes without saying that he’d been there. Can’t wait to see how that happens, and why it happens, and where on the timeline it happens.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

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Well, in a sense, we had a zombie in season 1 too, it’s just that Graham was an attractive one, as opposed to your stereotypical zombie. 😉

😆 I never thought of Graham like that before, but if Stephanie Myers could make vampires sexy, then surely Adam and Eddy could do the same for zombies!
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As long as the zombies all look like Graham though, I have no major complaints. 😉

OMG. I have completely changed my view on Graham.

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Eh, I’m over it. Technically he WAS a zombie, wasn’t he?

Prettiest zombie ever. 😆

What made me think ‘zombies’ when I saw the promo was seeing the decayed bodies that Cora was working her evil stuff on. Or at least I thought they were decayed. It was hard to tell in the little time we saw them. (Anyone got a screenshot?) Actually, I also saw the stereotypical type zombies on next time’s title screen with the blue and all. The figures on that seemed to be stumbling.

Check the thread in here with the promo shots. Happily, I don’t see any signs of decay. There may still be a bit of stumbling involved, but it seems they’re agile and coordinated enough that one of them could pick Snow up while another one came at her.

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