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Agreed, Charming isn’t under the impression that FTL is the same place they left, so he wouldn’t necessarily want to go back right now. Maybe after Snow can tell him that their castle is still standing for the most part, but it and the whole land will need an extensive renovation job, then he (and everyone else) might wanna go back.

Also, trying to get two people through a portal is an easier task than trying to get everyone in SB through a portal back to FTL.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Awwww. 🙂 <3

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@frumpybutsupersmart wrote:

Was anyone else yelling ‘SHE IS BOTH!’ at the screen?

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I really felt for Red all through this ep. She finally finds her mother, only to find out that her Granny lied to her all her life, and then after knowing her mother for, like, a day, she kills her while trying to save her friend. I read an interview before this ep where Meghan was saying how it’s really not a good day for Red in either world and WORD to that!

I’m glad Granny lied, because it meant that Red grew up to be a kind and caring human.
I’m glad she got to meet her mother, if only briefly, so she could learn about her wolf side.
And I’m glad she became BFFs with Snow, who was able to accept both sides of her like no one else could, which in turn meant that Red could accept herself as she is.

Now I’m sorta wishing I knew how to make fan vids, coz if no one’s made a Red vid to Gaga’s “Born This Way” yet, that totally needs doing.

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@saimejoxxers wrote:

5: Henry might be able to find out where Hook is for him? If he can communicate/control other realms, surely Henry wouldn’t be adverse to just… asking if Hook is around.

Agree with pretty much all of that post, saimejoxxers. I’m not thinking that Hook is even on Rumple’s radar at the moment though. It’ll be a nasty little surprise when he shows up in SB looking for revenge.

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@Ziera117 wrote:

Also there is the fact that Cora gave him all this magic protection against what they would have to face at the beanstalk. She gave it to him. The stuff for her use, too. I mean…why?

When he produced that second magical cuff and was all, “Well, Cora was gonna come with me, but I guess one of you guys can wear this now,” I called shenanigans! As if Cora was ever gonna hitch up her skirts and scramble up a beanstalk. 😆

Up until Emma chained Hook up, everything had gone according to Cora’s plan. Hook needs more than just the compass to get to SB, he also needs the sparkly dirt, and Cora still has that. So his easiest option would have been to grab the compass and run back to Cora. If he’d stuck with the others, they’d have had to steal the sparkly dirt somehow, and that’s far more complicated for him. I do think that if circumstances changed, a new travel option came up, and the others could get to SB without Cora’s sparkly dirt, Hook would stick with them, but I think that as things currently stand, he needs Cora just as much as she needs him, and it’s no skin off his nose if Emma & Snow don’t get home.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

I found it interesting that in Tallahassee we saw Snow White comforting Aurora as if she were her younger sister. Also, in Child of the Moon we heard Snow mention she’d do anything to be with her her mother again. Taken alone, these might just show how nurturing Snow is, despite having been raised without a mother, but viewed side-by-side, they might suggest that Aurora and Snow have the same mother.

Yeah, I’d noticed that in “Tallahassee” too. I think she made a comment like, “Well who else am I gonna look after?” like she had the urge to be nurturing to someone, but her daughter didn’t need her. It’d be sweet if when we look back, we could know that she’d been comforting her sister in that moment. And I also agree that it was interesting timing to have the ep where Snow talks about her mother being right after that. Not saying I’m 100% convinced of the theory yet, but I’m most definitely suspicious.

Okay, I have a slightly nutty theory, but here it goes. What if the original Sleeping Beauty is trapped in the netherworld, because she too suffered the effects of the sleeping curse, but was never awakened because her true love, King Leopold, thought her dead and never kissed her? According to Mr. Gold, the netherworld is somewhere between life and death, and Snow could have the chance to meet her mother again by going there in her dreams. Aurora could also meet her, and possibly Prince Phillip, whose soul was sucked there by the wraith.

I like the idea of this, of Snow and/or Aurora’s mother being trapped somewhere between worlds, making contact possible. Dunno if I think she’d be in the sleeping curse netherworld though, just because Aurora and Henry are the only ones there right now, (and also possibly Snow if she ever sleeps), so if Aurora’s mother was there too, there should have already been contact. Think I prefer the option of her being trapped with the wraith’s souls, wherever they are, because chances are we’re already gonna go there at some point to try and bring Phillip back.

@Gypsy wrote:

Snow lost her mother sometime before she was like, 10yrs old, that was evident in The Stable Boy. In Fruit of the Poisonous Tree, King Leopold tells Snow that she reminds him of her ‘Dearly Departed Mother”. No, that’s not definitive proof that Snow’s mother is dead, but, some things are alluded to because the brilliant writers figure we, the viewing audience/fans, will just ‘get it’ without it having to explained in detail.

These brilliant writers are also fans of misdirection to mess with us though, so I’m not willing to believe that people are actually dead until I see it happen. 😛 Just because Leopold implied she’s dead, and possibly even believes she’s dead, that doesn’t yet convince me that she is in fact dead, or at least that she was dead at that point in time. There’s always more to any story when K&H are the ones writing it, so I’m expecting the story of what happened to Snow’s mother to be more dramatic than her having gotten sick and died with her husband and daughter by her bedside. What happened to Snow’s mother is sort of a major plot point for the show as a whole. If Snow hadn’t have lost her mother, Leopold never would have wanted to marry Regina, and then Regina wouldn’t have ended up hating Snow, Regina wouldn’t have turned evil, and she never would have cast the curse. Whatever happened to Snow’s mother is the genesis of that whole storyline, so I’ve gotta believe they’ll address how it happened at some point.

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@medchen wrote:

side remark;

Wouldn’t it be fun if some of the characters were in the room of the hat with all the doors and then one door would be ‘our tv screen’
They’d walk up close to the screen and go ‘knock knock’ -“Do you think we can go through here” “Hmm maybe not” 😆

😆 Love it!

@The Woodsman wrote:

Hey all, I’ve been lurking around these forums for a few weeks now and I thought it time to post a little something myself.

Phee wrote:
I never thought that hat worked when it and Jefferson fell out the window, but considering Emma made it, I wouldn’t be surprised if it could be activated using fairy dust.

I am not sure but I think you might be wrong here. When Jefferson and the hat took a spill out his 2nd story window he had “disappeared” by the time the girls (Emma and Snow) made it to the window to look out. I think the hat already works. He fell out the window and into the hat. That’s how he vanished so quickly.

The thing that gets me though is that when we’ve seen Jefferson’s hat work, there have been certain conditions. It has to sit flat, then it starts spinning, and takes a few moments to whip up a huge, swirly, tornado type environment before you jump in. There was none of that when Jefferson and the hat fell out the window. There was a very faint whooshing sound effect, just enough to make you wonder if something happened, but there was no sign of even a stiff breeze outside, let alone the standard portal tornado, when the hat just toppled out the window, not spinning in any uniform way. It simply doesn’t match up to how we’ve seen a hat portal work previously, so I’ve never bought into the theory that it worked.

I think that Emma could have made a working hat, if she’d been open to the possibility of it, but she was in full on denial mode with her guard up at that point in time, which prevented any magic from flowing through her. The times we saw her actually have an effect was when she let her guard down and actually let herself feel and believe in that emotion. That’s why her kiss made Graham remember, because she felt a legit emotional connection to him, and let her guard down and allowed herself to feel it. And it’s why, when she was in that emotionally open state at the hospital that she touched the book and remembered. How many times had she touched the book before and had no reaction to it? She could only make the magic flow if she wasn’t actively trying to prevent stuff from getting through her walls. And she was all about having her walls up when the crackpot who thought he was the Mad Hatter was forcing her to make a hat at gunpoint. Much like touching the book at that point in time didn’t trigger anything, I don’t think her touching that hat triggered anything either.

There was an open window right near where Jefferson fell down, and I think he just scrambled in there in the couple of seconds it took between him falling and the girls looking out the window.

Also, I think that if he had gone somewhere through the hat, he’d have mentioned to Charming that there was another working hat when they had the conversation about his broken one. He could have mentioned it to Regina when she wanted to get the apple, instead of going to all the trouble of trying to make his old hat work just enough to get the job done. Jefferson hasn’t been acting like a guy who had discovered another portal hat to get outta town.

PS. Welcome to the forum, Woodsman. One can only lurk for so long before you get sucked in completely. 😉

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Jefferson is the only person in town who knows about the hat Emma made, isn’t he? Is he invested enough to bother telling anyone that it might be lying around somewhere and they might wanna try it? I guess if Emma thinks of it, she could mention it to Aurora, who could mention it to Henry, who could mention it to Charming.

I never thought that hat worked when it and Jefferson fell out the window, but considering Emma made it, I wouldn’t be surprised if it could be activated using fairy dust.

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My thoughts on the zombies are in the other thread, so in here I’ll just ask what’s up with the hall of mirrors that Charming is in, and what’s up with Aurora spinning up through the air in the burning room?

Also, I love Henry’s line about being done reading about heroes and wanting to be one. Heroism is in the kid’s blood.

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I think the Dark One power was once combined with Blue’s power, (considering that she’s considered the “original power”), and somehow got separated. Whether it was Blue trying to rid herself of dark magic, or someone else stealing it from her, I dunno. Maybe it’s the latter though, and someone stabbed Blue, and that’s how the dark magic in her got transferred into the blade. Perhaps? That doesn’t solve the question of who made the blade though.

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