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@PriceofMagic wrote:
In one of the promos we see a body being dumped off of the side of the ship. Could that be Milah’s body?
That’s a sad thought, but a definite possibility.
Robert is so wonderful at depicting the vastly different characterisations of Rumple. This scene looks great, and I can’t wait to see them meet on that ship’s deck again after Rumple becomes The Dark One.
This adds an interesting dimension to how Rumple’s marriage ended. He didn’t want to lose his wife, but did he want to keep her desperately enough to pick up a sword? If he’s not able to do that, it’d add a whole other layer of self blame and angst every time Bae would ask what happened to his mother.
I’m kind of hoping that she comes out on deck and diffuses the situation by telling Rumple to leave, so he doesn’t have to torture himself over that choice of whether or not to pick up the sword.
If “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” taught us anything about the Holy Grail, it’s that it’s NOT the fanciest goblet, so if that cup at Rumple’s place was meant to be the Grail, they stuffed up with the props. 😉
@LOSTuponatime wrote:
I really hope that we don’t see the Holy Grail … though its forever joined to Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table stories thanks to T.H. White and Monty Python, it is also an icon of religion and faith. To bring an icon of faith into a show about fairy tales may cross a couple of boundaries.
I like the mention of it – the acknowledgment of it in a speech … but aside from the issues mentioned about, I really don’t think that there is any need for eternal life in FTL…
I tend to agree. It’s getting dangerously close to a line that’s best to steer clear of crossing. If they went there, they’d have to tread carefully. They are telling us with this show that all these characters are real, so it’s not like they’d exactly be turning the Holy Grail into a fictional object. But it’s an object of great significance in a real religion in our world, and writing it as though it’s part of a collection of fairytales and myths set in an alternate reality could potentially offend a whole lot of people. The vague mention of it was fine, as it was a nice little nod to Lancelot’s legend, but getting specific about that story could end up as a hot mess.
@Gaultheria wrote:
“Leviathan” is too much of a synonym for “whale” to not be significant.
It IS curious that they chose to give him such a name. Hmmm.
“Leviathan is a sea monster referred to in the Bible. The word has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. In literature (e.g., Herman Melville’s Moby-Dick) it refers to great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply “whale.”
I liked that they had Lancelot mention that his mother had raised him near a lake, considering the legend goes that the Lady of the Lake is who raised him. Maybe he’s a lake monster named Nessie. 😉 Seriously though there’s gotta be a reason for them giving him that particular name.
Rumple will be the “crocodile”, I’ve thought that ever since they released the ep title. He looks reptilian, so he’s the one who took Hook’s hand and became known as “The Crocodile” because of his appearance.
There isn’t likely to be any Peter Pan in this ep, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be in the future, because if Hook is gonna be a major character, they’ll delve into his history in Neverland in future eps, and that’s where Peter will fit in. I haven’t given up on the theory that Bae became Peter for a while. Rumple’s storyline is entwined with Hook’s, so it’d fit for Bae to have been Peter. Kitswitz have said time and again that Peter Pan is one of their fave stories, so I’d be very surprised if we never see Peter himself, and have him be someone significant.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
😮 Wow – so I think this confirms we get to see Dr. Frankenstein in 2×5!
That’s what it sounds like to me! Had to wonder if the timing of the release of this interview was done to prep viewers for the arrival of one of these, “genre-bursting non-fairy tale sources.” They likely knew that including the likes of Dr Frankenstein would seem like it came way outta left field for lots of viewers, so now they can officially say, “don’t say we didn’t warn you.”
Well, everyone in FTL has an accent of some description, most of them American, which makes as much sense as Rumple being Scottish, Belle being an Aussie and the Huntsman being an Irishman. If you wanna get technical about it, would people living in an alternate, magical realm even speak English at all? There’d be a basis for it if Lancelot sounded British though, because that’s how we know of the legendary character in our world. Mulan is quite obviously still Chinese, but they’re not asking us to believe that she’s from real world China.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Does true loves kiss only work the once or something?
I don’t think there’s a limit to the number of times a true love’s kiss would work. Although Snow was cursed, it was actually a poison, so maybe a kiss wasn’t a powerful enough antidote. True love’s kiss is not powerful enough to bring someone back from the dead, but is is powerful enough to awaken someone from a sleeping curse. Perhaps being rendered barren by a poison falls somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, and so requires a more powerful antidote like water from Lake Gnostos.
This makes sense to me. Technically, she was poisoned. When I think, “curse”, I think of something that has to be enacted with a spell and/or an incantation. Poison doesn’t fall into that category of things that the kiss can fix.
Why not just ASK to be taken to the vault?
I don’t think this is so much a plot-hole as much as a choice that Henry made.
Yeah, I’ve seen poor Henry copping a fair bit of flack for that choice, but frankly, I don’t blame the kid. Just because he doesn’t want Regina dead, that doesn’t mean that suddenly he’s forgiven everything she’s done. There’s no way he’d be willing to trust her yet.
Also how could Cora be in the pit and acting as Lancelot at the same time? In 28 years did no one ever happen to notice her missing from the pit when pretending to be Lancelot?
I agree with Belle-Fire and Marilou. Don’t think anyone knew anything about Cora being there. If the people knew about Cora at all, it was probably because their leader “Lancelot” would speak of a terrible evil that was lurking somewhere in the world, to keep them scared and in line.
Finally if she was trapped in Wonderland with Jefferson why did Jefferson end up in Storybrooke, and Cora end up in the Enchanted Forrest?
The executive producers have said we’re going to learn the answer to this type of question as S2 unfolds.
Yeah, we don’t really have any idea yet how anyone from worlds other than FTL ended up in SB. Personally, I’ve always wondered if Jefferson somehow got back to FTL not long before the curse hit, possibly when Alice went to Wonderland, she may have found a way to help him get home. If Cora, (assuming she’s QoH) heard about that, she could have been able to use the same pathway/portal/whatever to get back to FTL, intend on revenge on Regina and Rumple, (QoH did lock Jefferson up and tell him to make another hat, she must have had a reason for doing that).
If not, and Cora and Jefferson were both still in Wonderland when the curse hit, another thought I’ve had is that FTL natives were affected by the curse, no matter what world they were in. So if QoH was originally Cora, she’d get pulled back to FTL where she’s originally from. Same deal with Jefferson, who ended up in SB via FTL. And also same deal with Hook getting sucked back into FTL from Neverland.
If Regina was able to choose who and what came to SB, (and Mr Gold did comment that he knew she wouldn’t be able to resist bringing Maleficent through, so I’d say that’s a safe bet), she wouldn’t have wanted her mother to come along for the ride. No way is Regina getting her happy ending if Cora’s around.
@Marilou wrote:
Another plot hole would be, what sort of claim does Snow and Charming have over king George’s kingdom? So what George was mean to them? he does not appear to be a bad monarch, he seems to care for his people.
Well, Charming is heir to that kingdom, even though he’s only been George’s fake son for all of 5 minutes, technically, he’s still heir. And then George tried to have him killed. So I guess it’d be a matter of principle that Charming isn’t gonna let him go on ruling, and intends to de-throne him and claim what’s his.
