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@Elle wrote:

I had forgotten about magic coming back–now Emma will truly have no choice, not unless she either is able to get out of it, or if the task is not too dark. Even if Emma is forced, she might be able to find a loophole–Rumpelstiltskin did it himself with his deal with Regina when he promised something tragic would happen to Kathryn.

He’s a master of cleverly wording deals though, and knew exactly how Regina’s mind works, so he could choose the right words to trick her into it. Emma’s not quite that savvy.

Concerning the Blue Fairy, I don’t think she will have much power. Rumpelstiltskin does not like them, and since their magic does not react well with his, he will probably do what he can to make sure they have little to no power, and since he made the curse and the True Love potion, it might not be too hard.

Guess it’ll depend on how this returned magic works. Will those who had magic automatically get those same powers back? Or will they have to re-learn it, and if so, could people who didn’t have it before use it now?

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

Rumple was desperate and had no other options when he killed the dark one. It was Bae’s birthday and the soldiers were on their way to take him away. Rumple had already been through an ogre war so he knew what it was like and didn’t want the same fate for Bae.

He had another option. He could have let Bae go. That is what Bae wanted. He could have tried to run again.

Like Midnight Dreary said, what parent would willingly let their 14 year old child go off to die? It was already established in the episode that running away was no longer an option and Rumple was running out of time. The night he kills the dark one is the night before Bae’s birthday. In a way Rumple was being brave, rather than being a coward and just letting his son get taken away, Rumple went “as far as it takes” in order to protect Bae.

Agreed. I’m not a parent, but would imagine that even the biggest pacifist could be driven the violence if it was the only means of protecting the life of their child. So I don’t find it out of character at all that Rumple resorted to that in order to protect Bae from a certain death if he was dragged off to war.

@AntBee wrote:

Yes, I know people thought of Rumple as a coward, and he even labeled himself as one, but I actually think he was pretty brave until he became the Dark One. It took a lot of courage to run away from the war. It also took a lot of courage to carry out his plan to save Bae from having to go to war. Also, if he knows Bae really isn’t his son, but he raised him as such, I think that’s pretty brave of him to do so because he could of took the easy way out.

In my book, it’s not a cowardly act to avoid fighting in a war. That’s just good sense IMO! Pre-Dark One Rumple gets a bad wrap for being a coward, but I have a huge soft spot for him. He was a simple, peace loving man, who had had his heart broken, didn’t have much in life, but was dedicated to using what little he did have to give his son the best possible chance in life.

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Emilie tweeted a new behind the scenes photo of her and Robert. 😀

YAY, cute pic! 😀 PS. I want her hair.

Edited to add that this pic confirms that we’ll be getting some Rumbelle moments in ep 4, (and the fact that it looks like she might be wearing a nightie suggests we’ll be seeing private moments with them at home, as opposed to out and about in town), and if the flashbacks are going to mirror that relationship at all, it makes me think even more that this Milha character will be Rumple’s ex.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

I don’t know what to think of Milha, yet. Googled the name, appears to be a mile/distance unit in Brazil. Ever time I see it, though, I think of ‘Miller’…don’t know why.

I googled it too when we got the casting call, and grumbled how the definition didn’t give us any clues. Now that you say it’s similar to “Miller” though, maybe it is a clue that she’s part of Rumple’s story. He lost Milha’s child when Bae left, so was trying to replace him with a child from a family of millers. Bit of a stretch, but it’s all I’ve got. 😛

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@AntBee wrote:

It is weird why they won’t reveal who they’ve cast in that role since presumably the actress already must have been cast since this is the episode that she’s suppose to appear in. I wonder if they found someone who looks incredibly like Dylan Schmid and/or Michael Raymond-James, and that’s why they’re keeping it under wraps because unless the actress looks a lot like either of those two actors, I would just assume that Bae took after Rumple or whoever his biological dad might be.

Yes, it all seems very suspicious to me that they’ve been so cagey with certain casting info. Considering how everyone jumps on it whenever a guy is cast who looks even remotely like Bae, it’d make sense to me that if Milha was actually cast to look like him, they’d keep her face a secret until it’s revealed in the ep.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think Rumple killed his first wife because, at the time ,he was such a coward that he didn’t have it in him. I think Rumple was telling Bae the truth about his mother being dead, he just conveniently left out the part where she ran off with another man beforehand.

I agree. If Rumpel was too afraid to fight in a war, I don’t really see how he’d be able to murder his own wife. It doesn’t add up.

Yep, I’m sure that Zoso was the first person Rumple ever killed, and that’s only because he was driven to it out of desperation and fear for his son. No way could he have killed Bae’s mother IMO.

And I’ll wait to see how Rumpel’s wife if portrayed on the show before judging her. If she really was just a bored housewife who abandoned her own husband and child, then I won’t have much sympathy for her. Hopefully, there’s more to her story than that. Because I can already see the horde of fangirls ready to tear her apart. 😆

I’d say it’s a given that Rumple’s ex won’t be a huge fan fave no matter what she’s like. Given how much the fandom loves Rumbelle, his ex can hardly have been his true love, so they may as well not bother trying to write her in a sympathetic way.

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Rumple’s wife is barely mentioned and what little we do know about her is that she left Rumple because of his cowardice and she may have conceived Bae with another man whilst still married to Rumple. Perhaps the affair was ongoing whilst Rumple was away at the ogre wars and his return was rather inconvenient for her.

Yeah, I think we’ll see her having an affair (and getting pregnant) with this Beaman character while Rumple is off at war. Then Rumple will come back and she’ll be torn, and will find it hard to stay with him when the whole kingdom is getting down on him for being a deserter. Then not long after Bae is born, she’ll go to join Beaman, and will either run away with him, or she’ll die when his gang of thieves are set upon. Maybe she’ll have babyBae with her at the time, and Rumple will find her dead, still holding him, so he’ll take him for his own, even though he knows he’s not really his.

@Elle wrote:

Speaking of which, since many are convinced that Rumpelstiltskin’s wife ran off with Captain Hook (not sure about that theory, but I digress) could it also be speculated that Captain Hook is Baelfire’s biological father?

Yep, that’s the theory I’m going with right now, that Beaman was Hook’s FTL alter ego in the past, when he had an affair with Rumple’s wife, making him Bae’s bio-dad.

I think August will still be wooden–magic may be back, but he still did not act as he was instructed to. That won’t be taken back. Which also brings up the traitor–my brother and I thought of Gepetto. He may be desperate to help his son, and he may be willing to go to either Rumpelstiltskin or Regina for help. 🙁

Yes, if it’s up to BF to turn him back again, she may not be keen to, given the events surrounding the wardrobe. Though I do think she was helping August after he came to town, but she was likely doing so for everyone else’s good, not necessarily his own, so she may not be moved to fix him. I could see Gepetto getting desperate and going to the other side for help to save his son. Rumple probably wouldn’t be keen to help, coz he’s got no love for August. But Regina could tell him, “I’ll help you get your son back if you’ll help me get mine back.”

There is also the favor that Emma owes Mr. Gold. She may be forced to do something that could be seen as a betrayal. I don’t think Emma would be forced into something nefarious, but it is a possibility.

She wouldn’t have much choice but to comply when he asks for that favour. If she tries to wriggle out of that deal, methinks some not good stuff will happen.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

@Phee wrote:

But I also suspect that Hook stole Rumple’s wife back in the day, so that’s how I’m gonna explain them having scenes together. 😉

In Desperate Souls, Rumple told Bae his mother was dead. Perhaps she died after running off with Hook.

Maybe Rumple and Hook have scenes together in Storybrooke? Perhaps Hook starts chasing after Belle similar to how he started chasing after Rumple’s first wife. I don’t think they’re going to let Rumple’s and Belle’s relationship run smooth. Having Hook going after Belle would make Rumple antsy that Belle may leave him like his first wife did.

Bae grew up believing his mother to be dead. Hordor implied that Rumple’s wife ran off because she was ashamed of him. Then when Bae asked him about whether or not she was really dead, there was a dramatic pause before Rumple rather unconvincingly said yes. So I’ve always figured there was more to the story.

Now we have Milha who, “is bored with being a wife and mother. Yearning for adventure, she joins a band of thieves,” in the same ep as Beaman, ” a criminal who deals in stolen antiques,” in the same ep we also meet Hook, who we now know has scenes with Robert Carlyle.

If Hook has a history of stealing Rumple’s wife, it’d definitely create some tension if he showed up in SB and had eyes for Belle.

And I suspect maybe we haven’t had casting info for Milha because they had to cast someone who looks like she’s Bae’s mother, so they didn’t want her face known beforehand.

Interesting theory. Wasn’t it said somewhere in an interview that we would find out what happened to Bae this season?

Yeah, I think this will just be the reveal of who his parents were in this ep. It was implied that Rumple may not be his bio-dad, and I just think Beaman is far too close to Baelfire to be coincidence, so I’m going with this Beaman(Hook) being the real baby-daddy.

And I’ve also got my money on MRJ’s character being Henry’s bio-dad, which would make for a nice little recurring theme in a few eps at the start of the season.

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Yeah, it’d be good if there was info about when it was taken. Doesn’t look Asian to me, so I wouldn’t associate it with Mulan. The thatched roofs remind me of Rumple’s house.

Only a couple of buildings. Looks like there’s a lookout of some description. Right near the water. If it were from ep 4, my guess would be where Beaman and his gang of thieves were shacked up. Lookout for approaching authorities. Means of escape by land or by water, depending which direction they needed to flee. And if they all flee on a boat at some point, that screams Hook & his pirate crew to me.

If it is in fact from ep 3 though, then I’ve got no crackpot theory for it.

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@AntBee wrote:

I think you mentioned in another thread about it being weird they haven’t revealed who Jack is yet, but I also think it’s weird we haven’t had the role of Milha cast yet since they just started filming episode 4.

I just mentioned this in the other thread. LOL Said that I suspected we haven’t seen her face because they had to cast someone who looks like Bae’s mother.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Anyway, there is confirmation that filming for episode 4 is under way! Colin O’Donoghue tweeted that he’s “strapped on his hook” and is filming with the venerable Robert Carlyle! There is clearly some connection between the two characters, Captain Hook and Rumpelstiltskin, since we saw the promo in which the pirate broke into Mr. Gold’s pawn shop and stole his hook back.

I’m not convinced that Hook’s hook will actually be in Mr Gold’s shop, I suspect that was just an interesting way for them to shoot a promo for the Hook reveal. But I also suspect that Hook stole Rumple’s wife back in the day, so that’s how I’m gonna explain them having scenes together. 😉

Casting call info for Beaman was online on July 26. Casting reveal for Hook was Aug 3. Cutting it close I suppose, but it depends how long those things were settled before they were leaked. And we haven’t heard any further casting news for Beaman, so I’m still sticking with him having been the FTL alter ego of Hook. And I suspect maybe we haven’t had casting info for Milha because they had to cast someone who looks like she’s Bae’s mother, so they didn’t want her face known beforehand. You can’t fool me, Adam and Eddy. I don’t need to see someone’s face to be able to figure out who they are! 😛

For what it’s worth, I talked to Tony Amendola (Geppetto) today and asked him if when we come back, if Geppetto knows August/Pinocchio is in Storybrook or not and if he’s filmed scenes with him. While he didn’t give an episode number, he confirmed they were reunite “soon” and “they can’t leave that storyline opened for very long”. He made a comment about Geppetto “visiting Pinocchio’s bedside”. So far he’s in the 3rd episode but he’s filmed more. He also pretty much made it seem that August will not be in good shape when they return as well! I know it’s not the best spoiler but at least we know they’ll find each other sooner, rather than later.

I’ll bet August is still gonna be a big ole’ block of wood in that bed, and it’ll take Mother Superior to make him real again.

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@Oncescape wrote:

I think Rumpel has been the player behind of mostly everything from the point after he lost Baelfire ultimately leading to the curse, and our main storyline.

Agreed. From that moment on, he was plotting, scheming, and manipulating a way to create the curse to get back to Bae. One of the things I love about his character is how he so masterfully manipulates everyone, like a boss.

I do think that BF manipulates situations and people too, but not for selfish reasons. Rumple has no regard for what happens to the people he uses, he just has his eyes on the prize. But BF does what she does for the good of all, which is why she proclaims herself to be on the “right side”, though some of her methods may not be 100% honest.

I don’t think she intentionally dropped hints to guide him in the direction of cursing everyone. The idea that the magic in FTL was dying out, so she wanted to use Rumple to take them to a new world is interesting, and I can certainly see where people get that idea, but I’m not convinced she’s quite that notorious.

I’m not entirely convinced that she gave Bae the bean in the hope that Rumple would go with him. I think she knew Rumple well enough to know that he’d want no part of that vortex, because the magic came from her. I also think that perhaps she actually needed him to stay in FTL, because his dark magic was needed to co-exist with her good magic, in a “bring balance to the force” kind of way. So I think she gave Bae the bean to send him away, because it was the only way to protect him from his father, who was indestructible.

I also think BF has done some manipulating in SB, because I think she retained her memories so she’d be able to oversee what happened to them all in this new world. No way would she let all her people be transported to a new world and just leave it up to chance that everything would work out. I think she kept tabs on Emma, and was the one who orchestrated Henry being brought to SB.

– Mother Superior knows that Emma is about to have a baby.
– Mother Superior goes to Regina to drop hints about how a child would fill the void in her life, (why did Regina wait until then to adopt a kid, why not do it earlier, something had to instigate that decision for her).
– Regina goes to Mr Gold because Rumple gets the babies for people.
– Mr Gold goes to Mother Superior, who would know of any orphans in town in need of adoption.
– Mother Superior arranges for Henry to come to SB.

She may even have been the one to suggest to Mary Margaret that Henry would like the book, so he got it at just the right time to put the pieces together and go get Emma.

So I guess I’d classify both BF and Rumple as “puppet masters”, I just think that she does it for the greater good, instead of personal gain.

Where the original Dark One came from, whether that was Zoso or someone before him, may not be all that relevant.

I’m wondering if BF had something to do with the creation of the Dark One, and if that power was also part of her, being that she’s been labelled the “original power”. Shouldn’t that mean that all power was originally contained in her? But by the time of our story, she’s considered the bearer of only good power, and the dark power is contained in a whole separate entity. Maybe she tried to rid herself of her dark power, and in doing so, the Dark One was born, because power can’t be destroyed.

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@Josephine wrote:

The pictures coming out of Charming and Henry are so adorable and it looks like Charming is going to be taking a father-figure role with Henry since he currently has no men in his life. I can see this guy rolling in and upsetting the delicate bond the Charmings have made for each other.

Yes, this is a big reason why I think that whoever else he may also be, MRJ will likely be Henry’s father.

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@AntBee wrote:

I think he’ll be introduced in Storybrooke first. He just looks like a “modern” type of guy to me, not that he couldn’t do a period character, but I have a hard time picturing him in Fairy Tale Land as some kind of knight, lord, or whatever. That’s one of the main reasons that I think he’s Bae and/or Henry’s father because then I don’t think he’ll have to do that many if any scenes in the past/or in Fairy Tale Land. I know it’s not a very logical reason at all. 😆

Sounds plenty logical to me. He looks like he could play a rough around the edges, modern day guy. That’s the only type of character he’d have to portray if he was an adult Bae, or an adult Peter Pan, and/or Henry’s father.

I wouldn’t think they would introduce Bae and/or Henry’s dad this early either, but I didn’t expect them to break the curse this soon. So I guess there’s still a chance that he could turn out to be either one or both.

If Bae and Henry’s father are two different characters, and they want to introduce both at some point this season, it’d make sense for them to introduce one in the first half of the season, and the other one later. Bringing them both in at the same time would be overkill and they wouldn’t be able to focus on either properly. If that’s their gameplan, I’d expect Bae to be the character who is introduced later on, because Mr Gold will still have to spend some time searching for him and earning that reunion.

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