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Have been thinking some more about who Michael Raymond-James could potentially be playing. Have come to the conclusion that there are only 2 characters whose names would give away too much if revealed in a casting spoiler: Baelfire (coz obviously everyone’s waiting for him to be announced) and Peter (coz they’ve made no secret that Hook is coming, so it’s reasonable to assume that Peter Pan will be too). I know we’re waiting for a Jack to be cast as well, but that wouldn’t be something they’d feel the need to keep top secret, I wouldn’t think, despite the fact that Jack could potentially be Bae, but revealing a casting for Jack wouldn’t confirm or deny that theory.
Anyway, despite the fact that Bae is the casting that all the fans are anticipating the most, I reckon the reveal of him as Peter would be even bigger, because Peter Pan didn’t age, so if the OUAT version of him looks like this guy, that could give away something huge about how they’re planning on tweaking that story. Add it to the fact that his casting announcement came at the same time as the casting for Hook, and I’m almost willing to put money on the fact that he’s gonna be a grown up Peter Pan.
Also, the more I look at pics of him, the more I reckon he looks like he could be Henry’s father. Though I confess that I may be viewing his pics with a biased eye, because of my theory that Peter Pan stayed in our world and aged and hooked up with Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]Thanks for this info, YAY for extras! 😀 I’d been hoping there would be some episode commentaries. Wonder which eps they’ll be on? Skin Deep is a safe bet, probably also the Pilot, I guess. Please God let one of the deleted scenes be the one between August and Jefferson in Hat Trick, so the questions about it can be put to rest.
Edited to add that I found the dvd listed on an Aussie site and it mentions commentaries on the Pilot, 7:15am, Skin Deep and Stable Boy. That’s only 4 eps though, and the info in the first post says 5, so I guess they’re missing 1 in that list.
No worries. 🙂 I’ve seen the idea that the nurse was QoH brought up several times on different forums, but they make it pretty clear in that interview that she’s Nurse Ratched.
When this ep first aired, I saw people mentioning the Zeppelin connection to the name on another forum, so googled it a bit, and I reckon it’s a safe bet that that’s where inspiration for the name came from.
On the cover of their 4th album, each member of the group chose a symbol to represent themselves. Jimmy Page designed his own symbol, which had the word “ZOSO” on it. And like Lisa said, there’s also an image on the album cover of a character who looks similar to Zoso on the show.
The group’s iconic song, (one of the most iconic songs in the history of rock music), Stairway To Heaven is on that album. IMO, it’s totally a Rumple theme song.
There’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold
And she’s buying a stairway to heaven.
When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for.
Ooh, ooh, and she’s buying a stairway to heaven.Robert Plant said that when he wrote that first verse. it was as though he wasn’t writing it himself, that some other force had control of the pencil. The group had a rep for having Satanic messages hidden in their music, so people attributed the devil as having helped write the song.
When you consider that in the Onceiverse, the Dark One is the supreme evil (Satanic) force, who seduces Rumple with the promise of having the power he wants, he essentially sells him his own Stairway To Heaven. So his name being Zoso is perfectly fitting IMO.
These two characters are from One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. The nurse is Nurse Ratched and the Native American janitor is Chief Bromden. Adam and Eddy confirm it when the interviewer in this vid brings up Nurse Ratched: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3coE2hSXTU
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Apparently it’s a dark blue dress with a pattern on so, although she’s still going to be wearing blue, I think they’re going with a darker blue to represent Belle’s darker character this season in contrast to Skin Deep where Belle wore light blue.
Ah OK, that does make sense and would be quite fitting.
Has it actually been confirmed that people are going missing because of magic being brought back? We know Gepetto had a poster of Pinocchio so the missing person board could be a search for characters that were split up during the curse and have not yet been reunited.
This is what I’m suspecting, that’s it’s more like a meeting point for people to reconnect with friends and family they got split up from during the curse, as opposed to people having suddenly disappeared from town.
The green light coming out of that hole certainly does look potentially vortexy (technical term).
@AntBee wrote:
Plus, it also explains why Emma and Snow were missing in the “first” episode, because something happens to them in the actual first episode that causes them to disappear. Charming thinks it has to do with Jefferson, so he chases after him whether it does or not I’m not sure.
I don’t really know if Regina was behind Emma’s and Snow’s disappearance, but it seems likely. I don’t know if they land in Wonderland, but I believe they did because I think Cora is the Queen of Hearts there. I think Wonderland ties in with the “first” episode only because Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison were nearby. I just hope that Emma and Snow aren’t trapped their for more than one episode.
We had a double ep on TV here tonight, Hat Trick followed by Stable Boy, so I’ve got my Cora = QoH theory on the brain right now. I’m wondering if in 2×02 we’ll see the growing animosity between Regina and YoungSnow, and also between Regina and Cora. Then we’ll see Regina reach her breaking point with her mother and banish her to Wonderland. Cora was the one who was all about the marriage for status and power. Regina wasn’t interested in that stuff. So I’m envisioning Cora being really overbearing, trying to convince Regina to settle into her new role as Queen, and then eventually Regina snaps and is all, “YOU’RE the one who wanted this! So if you wanna be royalty so much, I can help you with that!” Then she sends her off to be trapped in Wonderland where she’ll become Queen of Hearts.
Showing us a bit of Wonderland, would tie in nicely if Jefferson’s realm jumping capabilities are also potentially going to be a plot point early on.
As for where Emma and Snow go, (assuming they do in fact go somewhere), it could be Wonderland, OR it could be Neverland, and maybe when they find a way back to SB, that’s how and when Hook sneaks into town as well by the same means. Perhaps?
First Episode: I think this is the episode that is being filmed now. While it would make sense to be an Emma episode right off the bat, I’m guessing it will be a Snowing episode mostly, because the spoilers about Prince Phillip and Aurora sound a little bit like Snowing’s story. Plus, I’m guessing Mulan being involved will tie in with the take back the kingdom line.
I’m still sticking with this being a Sleeping Beauty ep, and if it is, then it should be set earlier in time than the taking back of the kingdom storyline, because they established that Maleficent was younger when the Sleeping Beauty story went down. In that case, I wouldn’t expect to see Snowing stuff in the FTL flashbacks.
On the one hand, it could be seen as an odd choice for them to not pick up in FTL right where they left off, with a significant storyline about to kick off. But on the other hand, maybe it’d be overwhelming to have focus on Snowing in FTL at the same time as Snowing are coming back together in SB? Their stuff in SB won’t be MM/David, it’ll be Snow/Charming, they’ll in effect be re-establishing the characters we already know in a whole new light, because each of them are now two characters merged into one. It may be easer to keep the focus on that happening in SB, if the FTL storyline doesn’t feature them at all. But the Sleeping Beauty storyline could still be shown to have parallels to what’s happening in SB, because everyone is “waking up” from a curse.
Second Episode: I think this is a Regina episode since I think this is the episode that Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison are going to be in. I don’t know if they were trying to throw off fans of the show by making it seem like this episode was the first episode or if it had something to do with the availability of someone like Barbara Hershey or Sebastian Stan.
I’m guessing it was more of a scheduling thing.
Third Episode: If the first episode is a Snowing episode, then I think this will be an Emma episode, or vice versa. All I have to go by is the casting call for Lancelot, but based on this,
The casting call described him as “Male, African-American, British accent, late 20s to early 30s. A sword-for-hire, he’s one of the most dangerous men in Fairy Tale Land, because he’s a man with nothing to lose. In his tragic past, he was torn from his true love and banished from the king and country he served. Though he says he now serves only himself and his fee, he can’t help but be guided by his sense of honor, the memory of the man he once was and his true nobility.
I think it might be an Emma-centric episode because she’s similar to Lancelot in that she’s a “gun-for-hire” in some respects, certainly one of the most dangerous women in Storybrooke, and did have nothing to lose at one point. Of course, there’s her tragic past that she has where she was sent away from her world to protect her, which isn’t the same as being banished, but to her low esteem self she probably won’t be really ready to accept that her parents were trying to protect her yet.
Nice parallels between Lancelot and Emma. Hadn’t thought about that.
We haven’t had any info about what ep Lancelot is in yet, have we? But I think ep 3 would make sense. He’s obviously going to be early on if they’ve already cast him, and as far as we know he’s not in 1, 2 or 4. His character sounds like someone they would have recruited in the battle for the kingdom, and going with my theories about the flashbacks for 1 & 2, by 3 they’d be wanting to get back to that storyline. I’m not entirely convinced he’s gonna survive in FTL, but with those similarities to Emma’s character, his deeds in flashbacks could be tied to present day events through Emma, if he doesn’t survive.
Then again, maybe this ep will be Mulan? She possibly helped with the taking back of the kingdom as well, and if there’s some realm jumping talk in eps 1 and 2, and if she came from another realm, (considering there was an Asian looking door in the hat), then they might wanna keep the theme going by introducing her at that point.
Guess we’ll find out soon enough who’ll be in ep 3 once they start shooting it and info leaks out.
Fourth Episode: This has to be a Rumple-centric episode based on casting calls for Beaman, which makes me think that it’s even more likely that Milha has got to be Rumple’s ex and Bae’s mom since this should be a Rumple-centric episode.
Yep, I think we’ll see a backstory with Rumple, Milha and Beaman, which will lead into the Hook storyline.
@TheLadyBelle wrote:
Titania is one of them. But that’s the only one I can make out.
Yep, and there’s a pic of her in Henry’s book. There was a thread about that particular pic a while back and it turned out it was a well known illustration of Titania and Oberon, Queen and King of the Fairies in Shakespeare’s “Midsummer Night’s Dream”.
Oh, hai thar Captain, how YOU doin’? Yep, I predict I’ll be having a crush on this particular badboy. 😉
@Lil’Red wrote:
I think we need to gather all brunette, male cast-members between the ages of 20-30 in town square. Line them up, and have Rumple pick out his son.
😆 The first thing I thought when I saw the pic posted earlier in this thread was how much he resembles Eion in that shot, and how everyone thought Eion looked like grown up Bae, so for now I’m gonna stick with my theory that Hook was Beaman and fathered Baelfire.
I did expect Hook to be older, but I should know by now to expect the unexpected when it comes to how this show portrays characters. Maybe in the OUAT version of Neverland, no one ages, and that’s the age that Hook was when he first arrived there?
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Yeah, I also have a feeling this casting could be a red-herring for us fans. By calling him a “mysterious new character” everyone is bound to jump to the conclusion that this guy is surely Baefire.
Indeed! They totally know that we’re all hanging out for the casting news for Bae, so if a “mysterious” male character has no name, they know that everyone will jump to that conclusion…which will be the wrong conclusion…unless they want us to think it’s wrong…but it’s really right…so they’re just trying to throw us off. You can’t fool me, Adam and Eddy, I’M ONTO YOU AND YOUR MIND GAMES, so this guy is TOTALLY gonna be Bae…maybe. 😛
@Josephine wrote:
Maybe he is everyone…Beaman, Henry’s father, Peter Pan, Jack, and Baelfire. :D. I mean, if Gold can be Rumplestiltskin, Cinderella’s fairy godmother, the Beast, et al., then maybe his son is many people. Hehe.
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Love, love, LOVE the pics of reunions of family and friends! 😀
Also love the sound of Belle in a blue dress, (is there any way it could be THE blue dress?).
@slurpeez108 wrote:
What I wouldn’t give for a high res version of this! Wanna see who all those characters are.
