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@Dorothy wrote:
Maybe Rumple/Gold is in the book, but just mentioned too briefly for Henry to figure out who he is? In the Pilot episode while Henry is reading his book (I think it’s when he’s riding with Emma in her car), he flips to a page with a picture of a torch on it, and it goes to the scene with Snow and Charming going to Rumple for help. Maybe that’s the only time he’s mentioned in the book-as the one who made the prophecy about Emma? It could explain why Henry can’t make the connection between Gold and Rumple!
That would make sense IMO. If the book has that pic, then that scene at least must be in the book.
@darcyfarrow wrote:
Rumple has played such a big part in so many of the characters’ lives that it doesn’t seem possible to tell their stories without bringing him in. Perhaps Henry hasn’t figured out who Gold is because Gold and Rumple are so different physically and emotionally. Gold seems more Scrooge-like than impish.
I think if the extent of Rumple’s deeds was spelled out properly in the book, Henry would certainly see a similarity, because Rumple and Mr Gold have one major trait in common: power. Mr Gold is the most powerful man in town, so if there’s a character who pops up in every story in the book, the one everyone goes to for help, the one who can fix everything, control any situation, it’s kind of a no brainer who he is in Storybrooke IMO. Henry’s an observant kid, so I’d be surprised if that stuff got by him if he’s had the opportunity to read about it.
[adrotate group="5"]Dear Regina, KEEP YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OFF DAVID! Urgh, there was a spoiler from Kristen on E! saying that Regina was gonna sleep with someone. THIS HAD BETTER NOT BE WHO SHE MEANT!
Interesting about August. Emma wanting custody of Henry could parallel nicely with Geppetto’s story with Pinocchio that we’re gonna see in Fairytale.
@Lorem Ipsum wrote:
So which character knows about the curse, knows about the savior and had a way to escape the curse without jeopardizing Emma’s escape?
I still think there’ll be a loophole that allowed Pinocchio to escape the curse at the same time as Emma, (not necessarily in the same way though).
Edited to add: Perhaps Blue Fairy told a lie when she said only one person could be saved in any way? Perhaps, in an effort to make sure Emma was safe, Blue Fairy arranged for Pinocchio to go with her somehow? She wouldn’t make this public knowledge, because if someone evil got wind of the fact there was a protector going with the saviour, that would defeat the purpose of sending a protector. So she sent Pinocchio, possibly with the picture of the dagger we see August with in this ep, because it was going to prove to be a tool that he’d need to use one day against Rumple.
@Lorem Ipsum wrote:
Ok, I just thought of something else! Sorry, I know I’m rambling. Just trying to get my thoughts in order or hope someone can help me make sense of them!
That’s how it works with this show. One thought leads to another and another and before you know it your brain is totally twisted in knots. LOL
@Lorem Ipsum wrote:
In the Disney movie of Peter Pan, Peter Pan’s secret hideout is a tree, right?
Could it be the same tree?
Did the Blue Fairy take Bae through the tree to Neverland resulting in Rumple hating fairies and remarking that he “lost” his son?
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Hangman%27s_Tree
You just gave me another idea. Was already working on a theory that Blue Fairy does something in this ep that results in Rumple losing Bae (which is why Mr Gold hates the nuns). Maybe she sends him away somewhere through that tree to protect him from his father. I’ve never discounted the possibility that Bae could be a Lost Boy, or maybe even Peter Pan, (I think it’s a likely theory because it’s the only way to explain how he could still be alive centuries later), and even if they can’t do Peter Pan stuff on the show at this point in time, they wouldn’t even hafta mention Neverland specifically, she could just say he’s gone somewhere he’ll be safe, and they can pick his story up in season 2 or something, once they have the rights to use Peter Pan stuff. And that tree would be the same enchanted tree they use for Emma.Only glitch in that theory is they had to fashion it into a vessle to hold a person to transport them, which obviously wouldn’t have happened with Bae if he’d been sent through the tree at a different time. Hmmmm.
Edited to add: Someone on another forum speculated about Morraine being in this ep because we’ll see Rumple go to save the children from war. That lead me to wonder, what if Rumple suceeds, and a bunch of kids get away, and to help them escape, Blue Fairy tells the children to run into the tree. Her motive would probably be to get them away from Rumple, who she believes to be dangerous, so she won’t tell Rumple where the children have gone. The kids will end up in Neverland where Bae becomes Peter Pan, Morraine becomes Wendy, the other kids become the Lost Boys. Then we could pick up their story next season whenever they get the legalities of using Neverland stuff sorted out.
If Blue Fairy interjects, it explains why Mr Gold hates the nuns. I’m also thinking that if a whole bunch of kids get sent away along with Bae, maybe that’s what makes Rumple start acquiring children for those who have none. Like he’s trying to make up for all those parents who lost their children when he ALMOST saved them from war and brought them home, but not quite.
If Rumple lost Bae in this fashion, where he was sent to another world, but Rumple didn’t know where, it could explain why he’d suspect August of being Bae, escaped from whever he was sent to. This guy shows up and he knows Mr Gold, knows about the dagger, so it’s resonable that Mr Gold may start to wonder and hope if August could be his son. But he’s not, because his son is still in Neverland.
What on earth is in that lil box? Looks like figurines of two people. Has Rumple been testing potion recipes already?
I dunno what that thing actually is by August’s shoulder, but the shape of it kinda looks like a head with a loooooong nose, and it’s pointing right at him. 😉@Dorothy wrote:
His favor may have something to do with the dagger, but Emma still doesn’t know who Rumple/Gold really is, so how would she know that the dagger is actually his?
Good point. Unless he said, “August has a dagger with my name on it and I want it back,” she wouldn’t automatically jump to the conclusion that it was his name on the dagger.
A lil while ago I had a theory that involved Emma having to guess his name to break the curse, but I’d kind of abandoned it. But that phrase you used, Dorothy, about him leaving breadcrumbs for her, and also what rumplegoldfan said, got me thinking about it again. What if that is what has to happen? And what if Mr Gold decides that now is the time for the curse to break wide open? Maybe that would be his favour? “Guess my name.” Hmmmm.
And yes, that’s a good question, would she still want to be in league with him if she knows who he is and finds out about all his shenangians and just how much trouble he’s caused in his time? Though all of his misdeeds may not be in the book, I’ve suspected he’s not in there at all because surely Henry would have figured out who he is if he was in there. So maybe she would need to see the dagger with his name on it? Then she’d realise, “Wait up, Rumple’s not in the book, but his story is a famous one, so you’d think it’d be included. What gives?!“
@snowfan wrote:
She seems to keep things right out in the open or in easily accessible locations presumably because she feels no one is on to her and she has nothing to fear up until this point.
That room screams everything that she is to anyone who walks in, but no one (with the exception of Mr Gold, and possibly Henry) has any idea. She’d love that. What a way to flaunt the power she has over everyone.
Sooo what’s in that very large, obvious chest on her desk I wonder????
Who knows what (if anything) she keeps in it now, but it was the chest she put her father’s heart in when she took it to toss it in the fire and enact the curse.
@EdChambers wrote:
Do we know how old Henry was when Regina adopted him? Could he have aged outside of Storybrooke, then stopped aging once he came to Storybrooke? Just wondering.
We know he was put up for adoption right after he was born in jail. Pretty sure there was a scene where Regina did the whole, “I changed ever diaper, etc” speech to Emma to try and get her to back off coz she’s not his real mother, though I can’t for the life of me recall which ep it was in. And I’m also pretty sure that Horowitz/Kitsis have confirmed in interviews that Henry has in fact been the only person in town who has been aging for his whole life.
@obisgirl wrote:
Hmm, maybe. It would be really tragic if Rumple somehow ends up killing his son after going through all the trouble to find the dagger so he can protect him.
Was necessarily thinking it’d be Rumple who kills him. Was just reading something on another forum where someone speculated that as the Blue Fairy is in this ep, that should mean we’ll see her involved with Rumple and Bae. Which got me thinking that if she told Bae to do something specific that was supposed to help the situation, but something went wrong and he died, that’d be a handy explanation as to why Mr Gold hates the nuns.
Also, I posted the idea of them faking out the audience that August would be Bae, and someone took it a step further and suggested that maybe not just the audience would be fooled, perhaps Mr Gold himself would be fooled into believing it too, only to find out August isn’t his son after all. What Mr Carlyle could do with that angsty material, it’d be a treat to see that play out.
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
So although I agree that I have seem numerous reasons to believe that August is Pinocchio, on this show I have come to realize if the evidence points to something – don’t look in that direction.
Unless maybe they KNOW that if they throw out obvious clues, people won’t take them seriously for that very reason, which will totally throw them off the scent because they SHOULD have taken it seriously after all. 😆 Basically, the writers just can’t be trusted. 😈
Something that just popped into my head based on the preview for the next ep. It seems August has the dagger. Maybe Mr Gold will ask Emma to steal it back for him? Though would he go that far, because if she sees it and sees the name on it, she’ll know who he is, and I’m not so sure he’d want that. But if he wants her to start believing in all the fairytale stuff badly enough, maybe he’d be willing to give up his name? Hmmm, not sure I like my theory now that I’ve thought it through, but I’ll still throw it out there, just in case.
