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ParticipantPS. As for him technically giving her a choice whether or not to open the door and if he really wanted her in the hat she’d be in the hat. Honestly, I think the only reason he didn’t force her in there with his own two hands is so that if he were accused of doing something to her he could say, “It was her choice.” Trying to convince himself that he wasn’t really doing the bad thing so he didn’t have to accept responsibility.
Granted that’s not a new thing for him, but the fact that he’d stoop that low at this point in time and with EMMA of all people?! Like, I might be able to see it if he’s motivated by resenting her for having gone to the past and done nothing to attempt to change the future when his son died, but I’m just fanwanking that reasoning because I’m reaching to try and see why he’d turn on Emma of all people like this. Though even if that WAS his motivation, after all he’s been through with his son he should know that he wouldn’t approve at all, so it really doesn’t make me feel any better about the whole hot mess that is Rumple right now.
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ParticipantThe problem is that Rumple hasn’t learned his lesson, despite all the progress he seemed to have made when he sacrificed himself to save his loved ones from his father.
This! Up until the point he killed Pan they progressed the character beautifully. He made poor, desperate, selfish choices, he killed, he manipulated, but he had a motivation for it all, and then it didn’t pay off like he’d hoped, he still had to struggle to win back the trust and respect of his son. And at the culmination of it all he SACRIFICED HIS LIFE to save his family. It was a beautiful arc that showed him grow. And now they’re trashing that growth.
I was listening to a podcast last night and they said how they like how he’s becoming the ultimate villain again and I nearly turned it off in a rage because the Evil!Rumple we’re getting now really isn’t a return to his previous self and to think that is a discredit to how complex he was in the past.
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ParticipantJust had a listen to Barbara Barnett’s latest podcast. They only talk about Once for about 10 minutes, starting at about the 17 min mark, and they’re basically just talking about how they’ve ruined Rumple.
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ParticipantThis sneak peek made me applaud: http://www.people.com/article/how-to-get-away-with-murder-sneak-peek-viola-davis
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Participant1) Did this episode REALLY need to be 2 hours?
Two hours, nope, but in a way I did like that they got to have some more time. I mentioned this in the like/dislike thread, but I liked that there were some actual conversations, though I didn’t especially like the specific content of the conversations. It felt like character scenes that normally end up on the cutting room floor were able to stay this time, and that’s a step in the right direction. But that doesn’t require a two hour ep, so they still had to fill it with other stuff that wasn’t as productive. If they could find a balance where they can keep the character moments in the one hour format, I think the show would be much better over all.
2) Are Anna’s ramblings getting to be too much?
Anna would be an exhausting person to be around every day.
3) Inconsistency in hearts and frozen people
Consistency is a thing that I have very little hope for any more. *throws up hands*
4) Rumple: does he have an agenda and/or plan beyond GET ALL THE POWER? And if yes, are you patient enough to hear it out or are you done with this? And if no, what does that mean for him?
I just don’t know what to do with Rumple. I don’t know that any explanation of a grander plan that’s not completely nefarious could ever justify the way he’s currently acting. And that’s disappointing, because it feels like there’s no way they can construct an arc for his character that will satisfy me when all is said and done, and he was my fave from the start of the show, so I’d been expecting to see and enjoy a satisfying arc for him.
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ParticipantUrsula…that upsets me. They have Yvette Nicole Brown as both a contact and as a huge fan of the show, so I really don’t know why they didn’t ask her a while ago. If they brought up the prospect before Community got picked up or before she signed up for CBS’s “The Odd Couple,” she could’ve considered it! But I won’t judge the actress until she appears on screen.
I read a thing somewhere recently where Yvette was talking about her father being really sick and so she was gonna focus on caring for him. If so, she wouldn’t want to be spending a lot of time in Vancouver, so it may just be that they had no choice but to recast the role.
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ParticipantElsa’s been here, DSB. I woke up to sub-zero windchills. If it’s this cold in November, what the heck is February, the coldest month in the dead of winter, going to be like. We broke records today for temps.
Meanwhile, on the weekend we had the hottest Nov day in 50 years, (about 95 degrees), so summer will surely be a killer.
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ParticipantHowever, my money is still on the Blue Fairy or the sorcerer (sorceress?) being the one behind the creation of the physical book itself.
Crack theory: Blue = Sorceress (the hat is blue and covered in stars after all)
As for the alternate page 23 (which I think is a nod to D23, the “official” Disney Fan Club),
Maybe, but more likely to be a LOST reference I’d say, they love using the LOST numbers in this show and 23 is one of them.
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ParticipantIf your heartless you shouldn’t really be able to feel anything. You should be numb. You might know what you’re supposed to feel and fake it but you can’t actually feel it without a heart.
The way he acted with Emma in the scene right after he’d had his heart removed, it seemed to me he was trying to over compensate to try and cover up the lack of heart. So reading what they say about how nothing’s changed, it just doesn’t jive with that IMO, (on top of how inconsistent it is with previously established missing heart lore).
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ParticipantBarbara Barnett actually turned off ONCE last night in the second hour because she couldn’t take anymore.
OH SNAP. It’s sad, because I know she’s such a huge Bobby fan that she’d watch him in anything and everything, yet she still turned it off.
Let’s laugh instead about how Regina had a tracking spell to trace tire tracks so she could find the bean field, and can poof into smoke at will all over the hills to defeat snow monsters, but apparently neither skill is at the ready when she’s helping to find Emma.
LOL It hadn’t even occurred to me that Regina’s tracked car tracks before. I was too distracted by wondering why they decided to follow the path of a CAR on FOOT. Apart from the straight up stupidity, it meant leaving their own cars behind in the middle of the woods, (were they all planning on cramming into the Bug if/when they found Emma so she could drive them back?). If you’re gonna insist on walking, at least have Charming drive behind slowly so his car lights can show you where you’re walking? Now also thinking about how Regina can track a car so easily, it’s even more ridiculous. It would have even been an opportunity for Regina to joke how she used this spell that time she tracked Charming’s car and burned their bean field.
Has Happy/Michael even appeared on any episodes this season?
He was in the ep with Granny and Grumpy where they were being super annoying and telling Snow to get the power back on because she’s the Mayor. At the time I thought, “Oh so he didn’t get fired, that was lucky, guess it’s all bygones,” but then the low blow jokes came in 408, so I guess it’s not so much bygones. I think the set report of everyone brawling due to the latest curse said that all 7 Dwarves were there?
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