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Pied Piper: I have a feeling He/she/it’s coming. I thought when Regina built the playground we’d see a Pied Piper story come out of it and the kids would end up in the mine or something but the writers didn’t go that direction BUT I have a hunch it’s coming and the plot may go waaay off the deep end when The Piper starts calling.

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@weedith wrote:

Mr. Gold to August: “…This knife cannot harness any magic in this world because there is no magic in this world.”

Evidence that there is magic in this world:

The curse exists:
1) manipulates people’s memories
2) stops time
3) stops people from leaving Storybrooke
Rumplestiltskin’s “please” works on Regina
Regina was able to kill Graham by crushing his glowing heart
Jefferson’s hat possibly did something magic

There are other means of doing any of these things without fairy tale magic, for example, Technology, Science are simply other kinds of “magics”. Perhaps, Graham and the glowing heart are connected in a different way. Consider this scenario: The Queen has apples and boxes of hearts. Let’s say the nectar/poison of the apples still acts as a sleeping potion. Graham was given an apple, he goes to sleep. While asleep, Graham’s heart is somehow linked to the glowing heart which, btw, doesn’t have to be magic to glow. Remember those real-life Glo-Worm bedtime toys? Think like that. So, when Regina has a temper tantrum and crushes the heart, she broke her toy – rather humorous and subtle subtext, if you ask me.

@weedith wrote:

So did Mr. Gold lie just to get the knife back from August? He seemed to believe it when he said it. The Blue Fairy said she was giving Bae a way to get to a world without magic. Did she intentionally lie?

They went Somewhere, Over the Rainbow but sort of in reverse.

@weedith wrote:

Was Regina able to bring her magic with her because she cast the curse, but nobody else? Is this why the “please” still works, because it is related to Regina?

“Please” is a control word – a trigger. She is bound to it in both worlds. Why it works in Storybrooke when Gold uses it is a HUGE clue as to why Regina suddenly stops her action and moves along. It’s as if The Universe wanted her to suddenly find some other idea to pursue the moment Gold says “Please.”

@weedith wrote:

I DON’T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!

Then you won’t understand the following: Cacodylic acid, Starlite, Picabia

OUAT is far beyond a simple TV program. I’ve found things but I’m not going to set up up for anyone yet – FIGURE IT OUT…it’s fun, involves many accomplices and is coming at us from all directions. There is a brilliant concept already in play and most have no idea what is about to happen. It will make you question everything you “believe” is factual. Trust me, OUAT didn’t begin with the pilot. Get ready to be amazed and ask yourseelf, “Who are you?”.

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@gallifry07

I have some fairly long posts on August as Tin Man, The White Knight and/or Pinocchio and/or other identities. I also made a post concerning The Oz Phone. So, you might find some ideas and thoughts we have in common there.

Your screen name points to Doctor Who so you may enjoy my unusual but “highly probable” alternate plots and theories OUAT may be something akin to a hybrid version of the BBC’s The Prisoner series, (island village, citizens, spies, eccentrics, altered personalities) but using fairy tales as programming of Monarch Pawns – except Storybrooke is a conversion lab and The Blue Fairy’s “magic,” the psychedelic drug used in conversion. Trust me, it goes on and on and may be waaay off track but if you like intrigue and falling through the bottom of the rabbit hole and beyond, you might enjoy my musings.

There’s a good chance I’m on to something – or parts, thereof. Then, again, OUAT may just be a simple Fairy Tale with name twists – but I’ve a hunch the writers just needed to lure us into believing the story thus far, first, before they reveal the next layer of what’s really going on.

If you’re a Friend of The Doctor, you’ll have a different way of thinking about what is possible – and I’d love your feedback, as well as, anyone else’s who also thinks there might be yet another layer to the onion.

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@DJFirewolf wrote:

If August needs to stay away from water, why would he be drinking it all the time?

He’s human, he needs some amount of water but his FTL programming (blood memory/instinct) gives him reason to be wary of or flee situations where water would surround him. Much like someone who was traumatized from a drowning incident might begin to have tremors or hesitations to be near water. Perhaps, he also feels a great reverence and respect for the power of water to both, sustain or terminate life thus it is “magical” to him.

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Sidney’s known Identity of the Genie/Man in Mirror and the Reporter & Editor of The Mirror are fairly obvious connections but, based on the clues, who else could Sidney be?

I believe, Sidney may also be: The Writer of the Book.. All you have to do is think about the unique situation that gave him a special perspective on things in FTL – and maybe, elsewhere. If his identity is XXXXX, I believe his motivation behind this would include seeing his heart’s desire be fulfilled (Regina) in exchange for fulfilling his part of a larger plan that involves other characters with as much to lose or gain.

I also believe Sidney is being played as a bumbling character but I feel has become all the wiser and quite Masterful, having been trapped behind the mirror so long. I don’t feel he is working exclusively for Regina and I suspect, he may not be alone or exactly trapped inside the Realm of Mirrors. We’ve already seen at least one possible portal in and out of his predicament.

Thoughts, anyone?

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@hjbau wrote:

I think that it was just a short edit of the show and not that August only dialed three numbers.

Just an edit? Oh, “but what’s the fun in that?“
I named it the OZ Phone because of its unusual look and the possibilities that idea opens. It’s obviously a prop made to look that way, otherwise, any old phone would have done the job. Why so much detail on THAT phone? – And yes, time constraints could be the reason for editing the rotary dialing action to a couple of spins of the dial but I like to think the limited numbers August dialed is suspect – it may be nothing but it’s more fun to believe otherwise.

So, sure, August could have been talking to Henry about Operation Cobra because, that’s the next scene we see but again, I choose to believe otherwise because it opens up possibilities like, August dialed someone else’s room at the Inn or perhaps, someone on a closed circuit system. In other words, he spoke to an accomplice or authority we do not yet know his connection to. “Are you there?…Good…This is taking too long. We need to accelerate the plan.” doesn’t sound like how he might have phrased it to Henry. Whereas, “…accelerate Operation Cobra” does, as it is more kid-like and supports that particular storyline. August’s urgent delivery of that line, seemed more like an adult conversation and in reference to a plan bigger and more complex than Henry’s clubhouse jargon.

I think we have August manipulating Henry in order to move along a plan that is a little darker than what a child might imagine. I believe, a major twister is about to blow through Storybrooke and it’s not at all like anything as simple as a Fairy Tale ending.

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@jondavidcarroll wrote:

(If this is already in a thread, let me know.)

Yes, I’ve made some Bae/Kansas/Oz comments but ideas are ideas and it’s sort of scattered around in here and far too much to try and read all of it to avoid duplications. Generally, the forum nicely organized but ideas will get repeated in different ways. So, I say, the more he merrier! It’s not like any of us own the end result answer created by the writers. All we are doing is sleuthing what the creators throw at us each week. I also think many of the wrong theories are excellent alternatives to what ends up playing out on OUAT. Let’s keep those creative juices flowing!

So, yes, I think it is possible for the Bae/Kansas/OZ concept to occur.
The vortex mist was green. The Wonderland mist was purple. However, it may not matter what color they were. If Bae goes to OZ, magic must not have been there yet – or it was already gone. Kansas might be a Land without any magic.” Personally, I think “Land Without Any Magic” is the equivalent to a kind of Hell for magic beings, as we on Earth seem to think a place of magic, “Somewhere, Over The Rainbow,” is closer to a Heaven type place. So, it stands to reason, of the two places, Kansas/this world – has the better odds of being a land without any magic. That is, if “magic” means the same as we believe it does.
So, if Bae ends up in Kansas, he could have been the one to find Baby Emma but it’s not a given. We figure Emma arrived around 1984 because she is 28. Bae could have arrived about then and he and Emma met, had a fling thus Henry. Then Bae died or vanishes into thin air during the fire of Emma’s story to Henry. If he vanished, where – and/or what Time – did he vanish to? Bae arriving in another time, sets up multiple possibilities.
Bae could have originally arrived in Kansas and spent a lifetime desperately looking for any kind of magic to reconnect him to Rumple. Such a desperate quest for a 14 year old, stranger in a strange land, could have driven him a bit mad, I’d think. With no way home or a home to call his own, he was certainly, a lost boy. To survive, Bae might have had to resort to being something of an Artful Dodger, running con games and striking clever deals but perhaps, not in such a way to cause harm to others but instead, to inspire and give them hope. On his quest to find magic to get home, and as a means to support himself, he might have become a traveling fortune teller and magician. In a land without any magic, crystal ball-gazing and smoke-and-mirror stage illusions might be about as close as it gets to magic.
How Bae would get from Kansas to OZ is still a mystery, though. Especially, if Bae eventually becomes The Wizard or the O.Z. per his full “stage name,” Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs. In the story of WofOz, he painted the initials, OZ, for his first two names, on the balloon because it seemed like a good promotional and other options were too long and one option didn’t sound flattering. So, he went with the shorter, more spectacular, OZ. When he arrived in the actual land of Oz, the people immediately proclaimed him a great Wizard of Oz. So, he ran with the con that was laid out by the circumstances. He really had no power per the story thus a portal had to open up to get him there – or so it seems.

Interestingly, two things emerge from the Wizard’s stage name.
All the first initials spell out that less flattering option, OZPINHEAD. What of the PINHEAD? Pinocchio-Head? Cross that with the meaning of BAEL and you find Bael fruit is also called the “head fruit” because of its shape and it is described as having a hard woody shell. Also, from Oscar Zoroaster, we can find ZOSO. Cross reference that with the symbol on Led Zepplin’s album and “There’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold” and I’d say, we’re off to see the Wizard on the Yellow Brick Road to Heaven. Just sayin’ 😉

The Wizard was already in Oz by time Dorothy got there. So, if Dorothy’s tornado was her portal, then, who opened her portal and what was the source of The Wizard’s portal? Was he already empowered to open one before leaving Kansas? If we are dealing with dual identities (a OUAT theme, it seems) then,
Is Glinda, The Good Witch (or one of her sisters) also The Blue Fairy, Evil Queen or Maleficent?
Is there a connection between The Wicked Witch and The Evil Queen (mirrors/crystal ball)
Are OZ and Bae also Zoso?

There are plenty of ifs and buts to resolve but about anything is possible, it seems.

BTW, the Stairway To Heaven lyrics pretty much mirror some action in OUAT and may play a role as a message sent across Time & Space through automatic writing. I won’t post all the yrics here but they can be read here: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/stairwaytoheaven.html
…and below, an excerpt from Wiki:
Jimmy Page was strumming the chords and Robert Plant had a pencil and paper. Plant later said that suddenly, “My hand was writing out the words, ‘There’s a lady is sure [sic], all that glitters is gold, and she’s buying a stairway to heaven’. I just sat there and looked at them and almost leapt out of my seat.” Plant’s own explanation of the lyrics was that it “was some cynical aside about a woman getting everything she wanted all the time without giving back any thought or consideration. The first line begins with that cynical sweep of the hand … and it softened up after that.” The lyrics of the song reflected Plant’s current reading of British antiquarian, Lewis Spence’s, Magic Arts in Celtic Britain and as one of the sources for the lyrics to the song.

Interesting, eh?

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Fun thought:
I believe a “Realm Jumper” may refer to Jefferson’s trade or ability and maybe, Realm Jumpers all wear hats and each Jumpers’ travels are different thus different doors. It would give an fun twist to the old phrase, “keep this secret under your hat.” Perhaps, hat sizes also indicate their ability/rank. Not every door will appear in every Jumper’s hat thus the doors in Jefferson’s hat are the one’s he has been to or been granted access to.

When I first saw the hat used as a portal, I was immediately reminded of the old Krofft show, LIDSVILLE. Except, instead of tumbling directly into the destination, we find a room of doors within the hat much like a train roundhouse or airport concourse with its multiple gates.

It is quite obvious, the doors are all different so as to suggest they lead to other Realms. I immediately thought, “oh, that door must go to..here….that door to there….,” etc., and I believe we are all correct in thinking this is the case. My initial thoughts, based on the visual clues of the doors were:
OZ – the “man behind the green curtain” and what looks like the Z in the O indication on the curtain.
Gothic Realm – one of the heavy stone doors maybe w/ the architectural peak in the door shape
Nightmares – again, a stone door but a different place than Gothic
Camelot or Sherwood Forest– the wooden door with stone
Egyptian Mythos – the door with what looks like hieroglyphs
Tales of The Orient – the very red door but maybe not all Asian legends under one Realm/Dynasty
World of Pure Imagination – Wonkavator looking door – it seemed so obvious to me…I love WW. If not that, it’s Virtual Worlds of some sort, like WofW, Second Life, Tron.
Earth – the Storybrooke or Kansas portal, the “All-American” house door.
Atlantis or Faery Realm – the blue door.
Asgard, Valhalla – maybe one of the stone doors

…and I had to wonder if some doors may lead to Realms in reference to: Sanskrit, Arabian Knights, Native American, and almost every sort of legend and story from every culture, known and unknown to us. I do love the idea we may see cross-over characters who may have dual or multiple identities like, who did Alice become after becoming a Queen in Wonderland or Dorothy, after she was Queen in Oz, the Tin Man, after ruling as Emperor of WinkieLand…and so on. If Time is also able to be altered or bent, we get really bizarre possibilities, like, The Hatter/Jefferson could also be Bae, who is also The Wizard and maybe “the desperate man,” Zoso – and even Henry’s Father; endless twists!

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If Dr. Whale fits into the Pinocchio story, he might be Lorenzini, of Pleasure Island, where lost boys are turned into Donkeys by the cursed waters. In the original Pinocchio story, Lorenzini was turned into an awful leviathan aka The Terrible Dogfish – or the whale, Monstro in the Disney universe. Like Jiminy Cricket, he reverted to his human form in Storybrooke.

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Oh, it’s not a silly theory at all. Remember, the curse didn’t work the first time and really, the wording was “the heart of the thing you love most.” So, she failed twice. For the curse to really work, Regina would have had to “put her heart into her work” so to speak. Regina loves Regina the most.

Rumple had a completely different plan way back when he made the deal with the Queen that she would always do his bidding if he said, “Please.” She figured she’d be rid of Rumple and his magic once her curse was released on FTL. So, in her arrogance, she dismissed it. Only, her curse didn’t launch – Rumple’s did. It was all smoke and mirrors when the Queen thought her curse was manifesting. Rumple probably made back room deals with others in the Realm that had everything to lose, should The Queen succeed. So, it was a con job from the get go and Regina is living a delusional life as Mayor while Rumple waits for the right “believer” to come along and take her out. He probably can’t get his hands bloody for some reason. Whether or not he will or can reverse the curse, once Regina is gone, is unknown.

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