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@Crimson Angel wrote:

It would be interesting to find out if Mr. Whale was Monstro in the FL world. The names all sem to have a meaning.

I think he is Lorenzini – he ran Pleasure Island, where the cursed water turned the boys into Donkeys. In a struggle, he was kicked overboard and fell into the water, which, turned him into a leviathan..the Terrible Dogfish – or whale aka Disney’s Monstro.

I have an alternate theory that Storybrooke or at least the Hospital/Nunnery may be something of a Pleasure Island, where Lorenzini is more of a mad scientist, using a hallucinogenic Blue Fairy Magic Drug to turn lost boys – and girls, i.e., the Citizens of Storybrooke, into junkies, rather than donkeys. All are pawns. Maybe, they are programming people with Fairy Tale Personality Disorder to be spies and assassins or something. If they can get Emma to believe, then, she would prove a good subject for Lorenzini’s tranformation process.

There is a big con game going on and I can’t quite put my finger on it or how to resolve it but there is something very unmagical and rotten in Storybrooke.

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@hjbau wrote:

There was what looked like an oil can in Gold’s shop.

Yes, I tried to point that out in a couple other posts, as well as, the shoe shine box below the oil cans. August seemed to have been hanging there and even had his hand out towards the shoe shine box when Gold entered. The reason it stood out for me, is, I’ve been thinking August may be The White Knight from Wonderland. I had to chuckle at the humor when, in my head, put oil can, shoe shine and White Knight together because I got a “Knight in Shining Tin Armor.” 😉 Whether, it was a play on the theme by the set decorators or not, we don’t know. Another thing I noticed with the “OZ phone” in question was, it had been moved to the opposite side and edge of the desk when Gold came snooping. Though, It seems like continuity fluke or technical necessity to frame the shot than a hidden clue. So, it could just be explained that August must have made more calls and worked on the typewriter (or typed some nonsense like Jack did in The Shining). I am starting to think August might be “slightly touched” or is not as he seems.

OZ clues are all over the place. Back, when Evil Queen and Jefferson/Hatter jump in his hat and end up in the room of many doors (portal hub, perhaps), there was a door with green curtains and, as the camera panned the room, you could see what looked like two big knobs with the familiar” Z inside the O” emblem for OZ. In one camera shot, you see it then, in the close up from the side, it seems to have been CGI’d out of shot. It was also interesting when EQ said to Jefferson, “I had forgotten how magnificent you are.” I think Jefferson is a Realm Jumper, as mentioned by Rumple quizzing the Blue Fairy on how to find a way to Bae. He asked, was there a “…Realm Jumper, Time-Traveler..or…Mage..”[/i] . So, Jeffers has a magic hat – the classic magician’s hat. Is he more than just The Hatter?

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Yes. BaelFIRE glares as a clue in relation to the story Emma told Henry.

I’ve been expecting Henry’s father to be Bae but not August somehow and now that we know Bae went “somewhere without any magic,” it makes sense Bae might have been sent to Earth. You have to wonder what the calendar date was and if he marked that day to return every year or if he lived as a hermit under the bridge near the location and one day, discovered Emma (if she came through the same portal). What went on up to the time Henry was born, is up for interpretation but I like the story if it does pull Bae back in and then that ties Rumple to Bae to Emma to Henry. Grampastiltskin?? Oh boy.

Mr. Gold’s “favor” of Emma may be “run the dagger through my heart” (thus making her the Darkness – if magic even works) – or – it may simply be to BELIEVE and kiss Bae/Henry (thus breaking the Curse and living Happily Ever After – orrrr- giving Rumple back his evil magic, if he hasn’t transformed his heart). My, my, my. So many delicious options.

Of course, Bae doesn’t have to discover Emma for him to be Henry’s Father. I do like the connection, though.

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@EnchantedOne wrote:

Hmmm…wow great catch about how many numbers he dialed…I didn’t catch that one…I was thinking that it is the blue fairy/mother superior who I am convinced at this point knows everything…I have pretty much given over to the theory that he is Pinocchio at this point and we all know that him and the blue fairy are close…but I would love to know he was someone else…wizard of oz maybe….

I’ve been entertaining the notion the Blue Fairy is out for her own gain and may have ties to other worlds. The dark curse needed some sort of dark fairy dust, probably.
I think the relationship is like pusher to junkie and now the junkie needs his magic fix to heal – but not without a price – or by doing a little favor. We need something completely “out of the blue” to twist up our notions of good and evil. I’m also thinking Regina/Evil Queen is Alice The Queen gone bad. She's been to Wonderland before and the Queen of Hearts “sees her as something of a threat”. Perhaps, Fairy Magic goes bad after repeated use. Tinkerbell had a temper, didn’t she?

Anyway, I think we get that one heart’s desire wish and all other wishes have to used to help others. Otherwise, it come with a price.

@EnchantedOne wrote:

As far as the dog paper weight goes, I couldn’t tell if it was a dog or a donkey…if it is a donkey then I guess we have some answers…I just can’t make out what it is…

Yeah, I could see where it might be a donkey, too. That fits with Pinocchio and Lampwick/Candlewick – and Lorenzini of PLEASURE ISLAND, who turned the boys into donkeys (cursed WATER) and in the story, he turned into a leviathan (the storie’s whale/terrible dogfish/ Monstro). Seen any whales around Storybrooke lately 😉 I wonder if Storybrooke or the Psyche Ward in the Hospital is Pleasure Island?

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@daybreak_fairy wrote:

Another thing I was thinking about her is the lying issue. She said “We don’t do that.” (lying) when Rumple called her a liar, but not doing something & actually been incapable of doing it are 2 different things. And also it seems to me like she was going to tell a straight lie when Rumple started named ways to find Bae, because she started to say “There is no ___” but Rumple cut her off by saying “A curse!” And then she continued talking about the things she knows about the curse like “You can’t do it” etc. So she knew about the curse but was going to say that there was no way!

And also, how does BF knows about the land without magic??? I mean, has she ever been to our world? Does she knows someone who has? Does she has some kind of powerful tool (like a mirror) that shows her other words or at least ours?

I want to add a little detail about the magic beans. When The BF gave Bae the bean she said “The very last one it is known to our kind. The others got away from us.” So maybe they were stolen? Maybe one of those beans was the cause of the Tornado that took Dorothy to Oz?

Yes, I was also thinking “the others [beans] got away from us” was vital info. I started running down stories with beans and/or a green vortex and Jack The Giant Killer and OZ came to mind right away. The vortex Bae was pulled into was Oz Emerald green (Wonderland’s was purple, if that matters). Maybe, Oz was without magic at one time and that’s where Bae went or he could have been sent to Kansas and spent his life trying to get back to Rumple – but ending up becoming a traveling fortune teller and magician in his quest to find magic in the world.

The Blue Fairy is not as she seems. I believe Rumple had to make a deal with her to give him the additional ability to form the Curse. She has far too much power from the Fairy Realm at her disposal and I doubt she’d give it up to “sacrifice one world for another”. She’d want some control and a cut of the bounty from the new world.

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@daybreak_fairy wrote:

I agree that she may remember FTL. Also I think that maybe she could be working with August because she saw the dagger when she talked with Rumple, knew about Bae and she could have been spying on them when Bae used the bean & called Rumple “Papa”.

Yup. I’ve been thinking the Blue Fairy is more of a Maleficent than a Tooth Fairy and August is a devotee…like a sick junkie…”Im sick…I neeeeed magic…” Yeah, right. Blue Fairy “magic” brewed up in the hospital basement by those sweet “nuns.” I smell a double con job in Storybrooke. The Fairy Wars is sooo on.

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@mujie wrote:

The images suggest Bae, but then again, if you've watched the latest trailer for the last few episodes, they say everyone remembers. Someone said it might be a dream. And I think I agree, one of the nightmares she has between episodes 20 and 21? They could be trying to trick us here as well.

I’m not sure how you are getting Bae out of the visual clues of an ocean, a boat, the accordian and the light bulb shape and the tattered banjo case shape a puppet head shape but I saw them as clues to suggest the story and character of Pinocchio.

UPDATE: I just went to the abc site and the preview gallery had been updated from the ones with Gold and August to the pics of Rumple and Bae. Maybe, the pics will appear in the general gallery later but now I see why you might only be seeing Bae.

@mujie wrote:

So Pinocchio’s body is the book? But the book wouldn’t enter the wardrobe, it was still in Storybrooke. It was with Mary Margeret. Someone once said Pinnocchio could be the wardrobe. Maybe Pinnocchio gave it more power so that it could hold 2, but it wasn’t enough. Pinnocchio’s body got trapped in the book, which could only stay with who it was closest to. His conscience goes where? His original body, I’m thinking (or hoping).

Yeah, I still sort of like Pinocchio as the book – or even, the tree by the well (wishing well?). I’m thinking he’s inanimate but his Conscience is out there, somewhere, guiding efforts to restore FTL. If FTL is underneath Storybrooke, the source of the water will probably be tied to the same magical waters of Lake Nostros that changed Frederick back from a gold statue into flesh and blood – much like Pinocchio turned from a wood statue to a real boy. This would give more insight on the tree image that appears on many things in Storybrooke and a terrific parallel.

As of The Return episode, we’ve discovered Rumple says August is not Bae and August claims he is dying of something and seems to call Emma – or someone – the Savior. So, if August is not Bae, then that leaves his identity and purpose wide open. Rumple asks August “Why the theatrics?” and that may be a veiled hint/ruse at an identity that performed or used theatrics, “smoke and mirrors” in his/her previous life.
I still like my original line of thinking August is The White Knight and now, If August believes Emma – or someone – is a savior, he may be on some holy mission, like a Knight of the Round Table seeking the Holy Grail (Emma?). This is one reason I liked The White Knight parallel – it paired Wonderland and Camelot and this/our world’s history with the story unfolding in OUAT. Perhaps, the FTL Book is something of a religious tome and the stories much like the parables and legends of any religion. August’s faith is the in stories and of a savior that will fulfill a prophecy. If his jewelry isn’t from FTL, it could simply be talismans or totems he picked up along his own quest that empower his belief. I’m uncertain if he was tampering with the book or if he was healing it, like Rumple poured the medicinals on Bae’s wound. If August saw the book as something spiritual, he might also consider it as sacrilege to alter it. If he was healing it, it might be a living thing somehow. Again, not sure.

If not Pinocchio, the book still has no source or identity but if Mary Margaret had it when Storybrooke came crashing down on FTL, then, that may mean Snow White had it beforehand.
My thoughts on that, are:
– The book is just a book but magically compiled
– The writer of the book was the Genie/Man in the Mirror, who could see into FTL through any mirror or reflective surface like, water, perhaps. His alt is Sidney Glass, editor of The Mirror. The emblem on the back of the book may be a clue. To me, it looks like a mirror frame.
– I believe for Emma to open her power, she must open her mind and heart and know the stories of the book are real. In the beginning, she wished upon a (blue) star and her journey began. She has to believe she is the story in order for her to move to the next square on the chess board.

Right now, so much is moving towards August being Pinocchio and the way the previews for The Stranger are edited, we are being led to believe August could be Pinocchio. However, things are not as always as they seem. Especially, in OUAT. Plus, The Stranger may not be August at all but a reference to something/someone else. So, I’m still not fully convinced he is Pinocchio. He does know about the Dark One, the Curse and the cursed knife and when Rumple asks, how does he know, he said, “a little fairy told me” but that could have been just to annoy Rumple. Rumple killed the mute maid and Bae was probably the only person Rumple ever showed it to but I suppose a fairy might know something of the dagger. It was also odd when August said, “I was going to get the savior to believe – but that woman – I don’t think I’m going to live long enough to get to see that happen” I can’t help but wonder if he is referring to two people – the savior and “that woman.” Hmm.

Another interesting incident of editing to lead us in a different direction, was after August tumbled out of bed, he made phone call and said, “Hey, you there? Good. This is taking too long, we need to accelerate the plan.” The next scene was with Henry, outside Gold’s Pawnshop. Looking back on that scene, August made the call on a very odd metallic looking rotary dial phone – with a green handset. It seemed he only dialed two numbers. At first, I immediately thought OZ but there is no Z on a standard phone although Zero begins with Z but then, letters/numbers might no matter because whatever he dialed, he wasn’t calling a regular 7 digit number or long distance to Kansas, for sure. Perhaps, someone else has a room at the Inn. So, I have to wonder,who and where did August really call?
Also of note, the Toto-looking paperweight on top of the stack of pages that was later revealed when Mr. Gold went snooping and found the image of the dagger. I am starting to believe August was given the image of the dagger because if he were Bael, he would have known what it looked like. So, why bother having such a neatly drawn image of it and where did he get it? August may not be from FTL at all but is in cahoots with someone who has clear understanding of the dagger and FTL. Rumple said to August, “You’re from there, aren’t you? You’re from MY world. I have to wonder if Rumple was a FTL transplant from another place. In flashback, Rumple asks the Blue Fairy if there is another way to get to the world Bae went to “Realm Jumper, Time-Traveler, Mage…Curse?” The Blue Fairy responds. “of course you would think of a curse instead of a blessing, as your magic is limited by your own rotten core….such a curse is beyond your abiilty” REALM JUMPERS, TIME TRAVELERS and A MAGE? Interesting. He’s asking, so, that means they must exist. Also, if Blue Fairy can’t lie, to enact the Curse, Rumple must have had to make some more deals to increase his ability. Cross-World military deals via a Realm Jumper or through a Looking Glass portal? Wow, the possibilities!

Rumple spared August on the notion he may be of some use if he gets this savior to believe. So, Rumple seems to now be using the Knight to get the Queens (Emma?/Regina) to duke it out and probably hoping Emma takes down Regina thus capturing the Queen. Only problem is, Princess Emma isn’t officially a Queen. So, it might all backfire unless, MM/Snow does the deed. It might break the curse or curse the one that strikes the blow. That’s what got Rumple in his nasty spot. Rumple knows what he’s doing, it seems.

Now, I have to wonder about the OZ references. Some have said August is the Wizard but that seems too much. Although, the fake wizard (Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs), was known to be “theatrical” as a fortune teller at County Fairs and trying to convince everyone in Oz he had “great and terrible” powers when, in truth, he was a bit of a humbug, fakir and charlatan, I am thrown off by his strange ailment. There’s a clue in it and yes, that could point back to Pinocchio ala August’s “shin splints” but again, other identities may also have reason to have a debilitating ailment. In Gold’s shop, August seemed to be lingering next to some oil cans on a shelf and reaching out for a shoe “shine” box just below – just as Gold walked in. Maybe, August is The Tin Man (which still kind of gets us The Knight in shining armor, right?) The ailment could be a seizing up – or rusting – of muscles. The medical definition of shin splints is VERY interesting read, btw. So, I’m not sold on either Wizard or Pinocchio yet. I’m sticking with the book or the tree for now for Pin…and still holding onto The White Knight -maybe-made-of-tin- sort of thing.

We’re also stuck without knowing where – or to what timeline – Bae went. We only know it’s “somewhere without any magic.” Kansas, anyone? I used to live in Kansas. It’s lovely but I can assure you, no magic there.

Also, “Zoso” was on the dagger before Rumple’s name was. Look up Zardoz, and you’ll understand how OScar ZOroaster might enter into all this. It’s a bit of a stretch but worth considering as inspiration for the plot. There is a whole lot of World-bending going on in OUAT

Sorry for being so long on posts but I’ve only got so much time to keep up with OUAT theories and when they come to me, I just have to run with it.

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White Knight – Shiva – Baelfire and possibly Pinocchio as the head fruit. (please read)

I still like my original line of thinking he’sThe White Knight – or something like an Ascended Master Knight Templar/Archivist for the Book and a guru to help Emma “see the light” of her true Self and the Creation/Creative Spark within her. Also, I’ve been thinking more on Baelfire and I can see August as both, Baelfire + Knight on a more spiritually transformed purpose than selfish revenge on his crappy dad. With so many Pinocchio, Oz and Wonderland clues, perhaps, August is a vessel host/Avatar and serving the role much like Shiva, The God of Love/The Destroyer (of worlds? see Shiva, below). August is probably also the ghost of Henry’s father Bael + fire + Emma’s story to Henry about his father dying a hero(knight) in a fire.

The Bael tree is said to grow where no other tree can grow and the fruit is also known as head fruit because of it’s shape and tough, woody shell (like a wooden head).

Anyway, there’s my 11th hour prediction on August.

Below is more on Bael and Shiva, if you want to read up on it.
Happy endings, everyone!

In the traditional culture of Nepal, the bael tree is part of a fertility ritual for girls known as the Bel baha. Girls are “married” to the bael fruit and as long as the fruit is kept safe and never cracks the girl can never become widowed, even if her human husband dies. This was seen to be protection against the social disdain suffered by widows.

Shiva ( /ˈʃɪvə/; Sanskrit: शिव Śiva, meaning “auspicious one”) is a major Hindu deity, and is the destroyer of evil or transformer among the Trimurti, the Hindu Trinity of the primary aspects of the divine. Shiva is a yogi who has notice of everything that happens in the world and is the main aspect of life. Yet one with great power, he lives a life of a sage at Mount Kailash. In the Shaiva tradition of Hinduism, Shiva is seen as the Supreme God and has five important works: creator, preserver, destroyer, concealer, and revealer (to bless).

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@mujie wrote:

I have no idea who you think August is, but the text story seems to be saying that they have a relationship, which may mean… Bae.

I didn’t want to spoil the treasure hunt thus no direct naming of the identity, as far as the pics of and the props in Mr. Gold’s shop seem to suggest. Also, since I made the original post, I’ve figured out what another prop might be. The pic link is below and here is the description:

between the boat and the globe is a box or a school book with: “LETTERS” boldly printed on it.

So, let’s try this again:

Think of a FTL story, with an ocean, a boat, a piano-like instrument, a school book…
Now, put all this together in your head and don’t forget what a light bulb or its shape might be – or more precisely, what you can make out of it. Surely, a fairy tale story will come to mind.

http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/photos/sneak-peeks/sneak-peek-119/_m_sneak-peek-119b

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@mujie wrote:

O, U and T are capitals because that’s how titles are written!!!

Well, that’s the obvious, isn’t it? Why not the letter “A”? It is “OUAT,” isn’t it? …Just sayin’ 😉
Honestly, if there really is something to it, I think it’s kinda cheesy and not the best choice to reveal a power of the book through scrambled up words. It’s a device that I’d think wouldn’t play well across language barriers. The FTL stories are a mix of English, French and German. The anagrams would probably come out differently and the messages or general idea wouldn’t convey across the board. I just thought the results in English were interesting. I’m not banking too much on it being the crucial moment in OUAT, say, when Henry points out to Emma how the enchantment over the book hid a message in the titles or that O-U-T stands for something like, “One Universal Tale.” Again, kinda cheesy but one never knows how the writers are going to spin it all.

@mujie wrote:

We’re finding out who wrote the book next season, not this season.

Now, I didn’t say Pinocchio wrote the book. I’m just suggesting he might be the physical book. That still leaves it open to the actual Author(s) AND the Artist(s) of the book’s contents. Interestingly, the Writer(s) of the book, might need access to Wonderland and any other Land the story eventually involves. Surely, the Illustrator(s) would want to sketch from real life. It’s worth consideration on how all the stories and illustrations were compiled, written, printed and what the book and its pages are made of, right? It must have taken some powerful magic to get it all done in such a short time, as the Curse rolled through FTL.

@mujie wrote:

But what do I know? I think August is Henry’s dad.

-and what do ANY of us know?! I agree, August as Henry’s father, is a possibility but wouldn’t Emma remember him? It was only ten years ago and Emma’s pretty sharp on so many other details of her past. Why suddenly, would she develop mass amnesia about Henry’s father.

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