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BAD THOUGHT …. DID she not have her boy toy GRAHAM without a heart?
.Chronologically, I think this is before Graham.
I think this is during Graham. Regina clearly appears to be in her evil Queen stage and Cora mentions Snow taking back the kingdom. Snow was still living at the castle when Regina hired Graham, and it was the attempt on her life that made her flee and caused Regina to drop the mask of loving step-mother and go full on evil queen.
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Keeper of FelixZelena really is pregnant but won’t be raising her child. It sounds like Robin and Regina will be, with Zelena granted very limited contact. How do you feel about this solution?
I think it is selfish and hypocritical on Regina’s part.
1. Whilst what Zelena did to Robin was terrible, Regina’s only prissy because Zelena targeted someone that Regina cares about. Regina was all for giving Zelena a second chance when she enslaved Rumple and killed Neal, but now that the show is on the other foot, she’s a lot less forgiving.
2. I get the impression that Zelena wouldn’t give up a baby willingly because of her getting abandoned as a baby and her getting antsy over Regina’s threat to write her out of the story was less about her and more about her baby being written out of existence.
3. I think it’s cruel for Regina to take Zelena’s baby, which she doesn’t want to give up, and then make Zelena watch from a distance as the child grows up calling Regina “mommy”. It is essentially baby-snatching.
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Keeper of FelixLiked:
Emma acknowledging Neal and that Zelena killed him- It’s nice for Emma to remember that Neal actually existed but remembering should’ve happened sooner within the season.
The Sheriff of Nottingham and Cora- I just found his assessment of Robin Hood to be really funny. “a sanctimonious blowhard who thinks he’s better than all the other thieving scum because he steals from the rich to give to the poor and won’t shut up about it” Definitely my favourite line from the episode.
Cora- “yes, hello, get out Henry” and her assessment of Robin as “a married, moralising sap” I wish Cora had been kept around as a regular character, she gets some of the best lines. In fact the Cora and Nottingham partnership was interesting.
Zelena- “Ooooh visitors. I’ll put the kettle on” As much as I don’t like Zelena as a character, I do like her snark sometimes.
Maleficent and Lily- Maleficent is just in awe that her daughter is there alive in front of her. It’s quite sweet. Also the “stay for one week” is a nice callback to season 1 where Henry asked Emma to stay for just a week.
Maleficent going to the Charmings for advice and help- This is when Snowing is at their best, when they’re helping people.
Snow not being instantly okay after hitting her head- It adds a little realism.
The author and Rumple- I quite like this little partnership. The author showing concern and loyalty to Rumple even though Rumple doesn’t want any fuss.
Mixed:
The flashbacks- When do the flashbacks take place? Judging by Regina’s demeanour, I’m guessing this is after she goes Evil Queen so after Leopold dies but Cora says she had an encounter with Tinkerbell. When did Tinkerbell get to Neverland? How did she get there? Tinkerbell lost her wings at least a good 5 years before Regina became Evil Queen if not longer, so how long was Tinkerbell in the EF before she went to Neverland?
Disliked:
Hook antagonising Rumple in the diner- Why can’t Hook leave Rumple alone? There was no reason for Hook to go in and gloat other than he felt “brave” because Rumple couldn’t do anything without making his situation worse then in the next scene Hook’s pretending to be all sweetness and light for Emma. It’s two-faced. What is the writers intentions with Hook? If they’re trying to play him as redeemed, why have him pull the crap he does with Rumple? If they’re trying to play up his dark side then why doesn’t it feel like that is what the narrative is aiming for? I get that Hook and Rumple don’t like each other but Hook is going out of his way to antagonise Rumple for no other reason than he can.
Regina with Rumple and Lily- Proof that Regina isn’t fully redeemed. She may play nice to get what she wants but she is prepared to throw anyone under the bus if they stand in her way. For me, this episode all but confirms that Regina stole Belle’s heart without Belle’s consent and that she actually would’ve crushed Belle’s heart if it came down to it. Regina is not as redeemed as she likes to think she is.
Emma looking to Hook as she’s making up with Snow- It’s irritating that she’s checking with him to make sure she’s doing it right. Hook just annoyed me this episode big time.
Regina and Zelena- Regina is so hypocritical. When Rumple wanted to kill Zelena in 3B because she enslaved him and killed his son, Regina was all for giving her a second chance. Now that Zelena has targeted someone that REGINA cares about, Regina is a lot less forgiving.
Hook- Hook this episode is just
Regina planning to take Zelena’s baby and only allow her visiting rights- I get the impression that Zelena wouldn’t abandon her baby because of what Cora did to her so Regina taking it from her is cruel. She’s effectively planning on making Zelena watch from a distance as her own child calls Regina “mommy” all so that Regina can get her happy ending. Regina is selfish.
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Keeper of FelixCrack theory: Jafar threatened that he could make Alice forget Cyrus, someone did that to Will.
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Keeper of FelixI looked up flower meanings specifically a yellow rose.
A yellow rose means friendship. In other words, Cora is trying to signify to Regina that she wants to make amends.
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Keeper of FelixWe are going to get Regina’s reaction towards Zelena, and Robin Hood’s reaction to that.
I hope this is where they actually acknowledge the depravity of Zelena’s action. However, there is the danger that this could make Regina look very hypocritical. She wanted to give Zelena a second chance after what she did to Rumple and Neal but now that Zelena has hurt Robin, Regina’s going to be a lot less forgiving.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s realistic to say that people get over something in just one or two acts, or within one episode. For us, we like to explore the reasons why characters are doing what they’re doing.
Really? Because the effects of Neal’s death seemed to be dealt with in one episode then all the characters were over it.
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Keeper of FelixI really think Emma Rigby’s availability was a factor as to why they’re still waiting to tell the story of what happened to her. This Season being crowded as is was the main factor of course, based on their answer.
Availability certainly but I also think they just plain don’t know what happened to Ana. They brought Will over to give Rumbelle grief and because they needed to give Belle something to do in S4B, but without any sort of forethought on how to integrate Will properly or make him and his story relevant. As such, he has had almost zero interaction with anyone outside of Belle (little bit of Rumple and Robin and a few passing moments with Emma and Hook) and in during that time there has been almost less than zero indication that he was ever in WL, ever involved with someone named Ana. Even when Belle had her heart taken and then given back, they failed to make any sort of Will/Ana connection. I honestly don’t think A and E have a story that they’ve thought up and planned to explain why Ana isn’t around.
I agree. Availability may have been the reason why they couldn’t have shown us what happened, but they could’ve at least had a line saying what happened…….. unless it’s going to turn out that Will had some sort of memory wipe happen to him hence why he doesn’t seem to remember Ana.
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Keeper of Felixunless OQ raises baby as their own bc Zelena dies or w/e
That presents its own set of problems.
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Keeper of FelixYep. Looks like Christianity. a religion from our world, has made its way to FTL.
Yes that’s my problem with that line. It suggests that somehow the historical surroundings that led to the rise of Christianity and the Church here in our world, also happened in the EF.
Not necessarily. We know the EF has gods. It’s possible that the church line is related to them (Eric’s people seemed to worship Ursula the goddess) rather than to Christianity.
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