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All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSee…it didn’t come across as that mega big cruel to me…if anything it seemed like a practical mean joke a friend would play on another friend…like write them a love letter and tell them it’s from their secret crush.
Who needs enemies when you have “friends” like that?
And besides…I’m sure Rumple’s relieved to know those weren’t Belle’s true feelings towards him.
He did question quite quickly why she was saying those things so even he thought it was out of character for her.
But as for it being cruelty for the sake of cruelty…okay, maybe a lot of vengeance was Regina’s reasoning for saying that, but come on…after what this man put her through the past day or so, even threatening her own soul mate and his son….payback’s a (beep).
It was quite a horrible thing to say to someone who we know has low self-esteem and has felt unlovable. It was also quite juvenile. “Will’s a better kisser than you!” yeah well Rumple’s achieved more home runs, Will’s stuck on first base.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixPerhaps Emma’s dark heart is what produces the magic ink?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixYou said Regina could have just had Belle talk to Rumple about not threatening Robin. Which….do we really believe he would have gone along with that?
Considering he dropped what he was doing with the author to go see Belle at the wishing well, I think he actually might of. Once the Cruella situation happened, Rumple didn’t need Robin any way. Plus all Rumple had to do was not warn Zelena that Regina was coming. He would’ve done that if asked since he’s not Zelena’s biggest fan.
And in the same thread why didn’t Rumple just talk to Regina about going along with his plan to dupe the Wicked Witch? Or you know, telling Robin that his wife is dead and Zelena is Marian? Those are all choices he could have made.
I think it was too risky for Rumple to tell Robin about Zelarian at that point but he strongly hinted that Robin should be with Regina short of a flashing neon sign. As for why Rumple didn’t just talk to Regina, she did just use Belle against him plus he was busy looking for the author.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixNow at the end of the day, Regina’s choices were her own, but had circumstances been different (cough) Rumple not even showing up on the wedding day to turn Regina around (cough) then none of the evil would have been committed.
I’m not so sure. Even without Rumple’s influence, Regina still blamed Snow for Daniel’s death. She still wanted vengeance. So although it might not have been on as large a scale since Regina wouldn’t have the means or the wealth to conduct a decades long vendetta against Snow, I don’t see Regina just “letting go” and riding off into the sunset.
Now we can dance around this Whose To Blame issue again POM, but we both know we’ll still be right back at square one.
Yeah, we’re both stubborn when it comes to Rumple and Regina.
And just as Belle giving Regina her consent (which she kinda did) is up in the air, Regina just stealing Belle’s heart is in the air with it.
See I don’t think Belle did give her consent. Belle asked how she could help but that is not consent. Also the fact that Regina started SQUEEZING Belle’s heart which causes pain also seems like something that would only happen in a lack of consent situation plus the fact Regina told Belle to forget everything. Just seems a bit suspicious.
And because Matt talks with Adam and Eddy every other episode…I’ll take his word for it that Belle gave Regina her consent.
Say hypothetically Belle did consent for Regina to use her heart. What exactly was Belle consenting to? that Regina show Rumple her heart? okay I could buy that, unlikely but plausible. That Regina uses Belle to say some downright nasty things to Rumple like she did? Not so much. It is not in Belle’s nature to be cruel.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDid anyone else find Regina’s ventriloquizing (heartriloquizing?) about the Rumple/Will comparison mildly distasteful? For someone allegedly reformed, even if she is currently enemies with Rumple, I found that to be a bit over the top. I actually think this parallels some of the broader tendencies in the writing of conflicts in OUAT at the moment, where there’s this emphasis on really below the belt verbal cruelty.
Definitely. Doing that actually served no purpose in helping Regina save Robin. It was cruelty for cruelty’s sake and the big reason why I didn’t like Regina this episode.
Emma’s whole thing “I don’t trust [Snowing] with Henry’s life” is in that general category too, it seems.
That was a bit over the top. I get that Emma is angry with Snowing, and she has every right to be, but to not trust them with Henry is over dramatic.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI wouldn’t put it past Zelena to fake a pregnancy, and I’m expecting a false pregnancy storyline….it’s the one Soap Opera move Once hasn’t pulled yet!
Especially if as someone in the forums once stated, Zelena just calls a pregnancy to save her own life.
Zelena would be Once’s version of Chicago’s Roxie Hart with the “having a baby.”
With the six leaf clover thing, Zelena could realistically make it look like she is pregnant then conveniently “lose” the baby before the 9 months are up. It would be an extremely low blow but one I wouldn’t put past Zelena. Create trouble between OQ because Robin would feel a sense of duty to his “unborn child” then “miscarry” and guilt trip Robin over the fact that he didn’t want the child in the first place. That’s twisted and yet not beyond Zelena.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSo I guess Rumple will now somehow take the ink from Cruella’s body?
The author was still able to write after the Cruella events.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThe ends don’t justify the means for Rumple or Regina. Rumple made himself into a monster. The fact that now after 300 years he’s like “wait, I don’t want to be all the way evil” does not earn sympathy from me. And he is still doing evil things to prevent himself from turning all the way evil! That is counter intuitive.
But is that not what Regina did? Regina did tons of bad things in her pursuit of vengeance against Snow including: Slaughtering a village, sending numerous children to be eaten by a cannibal witch, enslaving the huntsman and using him as a sex slave, etc. Regina made those decisions herself until one day she decided she didn’t want to be that person any more. Does Regina deserve sympathy? Regina claims that Rumple made her a monster yet Rumple wasn’t around in those examples, those were Regina’s own choices.
I agree that neither Rumple nor Regina is morally in the clear. But that’s my point. Both Rumple and Regina have used Robin and Belle respectively to get leverage over the other. They’re both using dubious tactics in a bid to outmaneuver the other. The only truly innocent parties here are Belle and Robin, with Rumple and Regina being the ones who’re playing a dangerous game. And it’s uncertain what exactly Belle did or didn’t agree to when Regina approached her for help. That scene was intentionally cut short. We don’t know for certain if Regina said something to convince Belle to give up her heart willingly, or whether Regina magically put Belle into a trance and then stole her heart. Did Belle willingly surrender her heart to the woman who took away her memory and held her hostage for 30 odd years? Did Belle willingly trust Regina not to crush her heart?
I agree. That scene needed to be clearer as to exactly WHAT Belle was consenting to and if she actually consented.
Sooo…apparently Regina did in fact have Belle’s consent! (It still should have been shown!)
Also of note in this week’s episode: Rumplestiltskin revealed (no, like really revealed) to Belle that his lifetime of misdeeds has turned his heart almost completely black, and that if he loses the last little bit of “red” in it, he will forever lose his ability to love. (Alas, to whom he actually was speaking was Belle as controlled by Regina, since the bookish beauty had allowed the Evil Queen to pluck out her heart in the name of a greater good.)
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See timestamp: Matt Webb Mitovich says: April 19, 2015 at 6:50 PM No, she had Belle’s consent. (The things you miss by “not watching.”)
http://tvline.com/2015/04/19/once-upon-a-time-season-4-emma-kills-cruella/
How does he know Belle gave consent when it wasn’t shown in the episode or is he assuming Belle gave consent?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
