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All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI quite enjoyed this episode overall and the negatives are minor.
Favourite:
Rumple- I loved Rumple this episode. He’s back with a purpose. He was snarky, he was vulnerable, he’s showing all the traits that pre-4A Rumple had. Loved the ramen noodle scene and when Rumple crosses back over the town line. I also like his dynamic with Ursula and Cruella, especially Ursula when he is crashing at her place.
Ursula- I’m liking Ursula quite a bit and hope she survives the season.
Cruella- I like Cruella’s sass. Her breath power was okay on the bugs but a bit odd on the dogs so I think it all depends on the angle. I like the fact that she’s been living as a wealthy housewife in Long Island.
Mixed:
Ursula complains she’s not made of money yet has tanks of tropical fish. That isn’t cheap to maintain.
Cruella’s accent is laughable when she is ranting at Rumple in flashback. Cruella can’t do long sentences without sounding extremely odd. Also nobody noticed that a woman called Cruella has the same exact hairstyle as the woman from 101 Dalmations. Considering Disney Mulan is canon in show, any movie before it should be canon as well.
The Hook and Belle friendship- I didn’t hate it, however I think we need to see the build up of how Hook and Belle got to that stage. Obviously there’s been a 6 week time jump and Belle is quite a forgiving person but it is a bit odd to see those two so chummy when there has been no set up. I did like how Hook told Belle that despite Rumple’s faults, he did genuinely love her. That was a nice moment from Hook because he didn’t necessarily have to tell her that but did any way.
Least:
Nobody noticing Chernabog coming out the hat- Seriously?
Chernabog’s CGI- Not the best the show has had but not the worst.
Snow labelling Rumple as “evil”- Didn’t stop you running to him every time you wanted his help, did it, Snow?
The retcon that Rumple didn’t create the dark curse but only procured it- Probably my biggest complaint about the episode. We’ve been led to believe that Rumple created the curse and there is evidence in-show that he did so why the sudden retcon?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixYou don’t think a Hook series could make it? I mean if he has a lot of fans, I think they would follow it.
If there was going to be another spin-off, I think a Neverland spin-off focussed on Baelfire’s time in Neverland would be the best route for several reasons:
1. It would be expanding on the story set up in Once without contradicting anything in Once since we’ve been given potential plot threads but haven’t actually seen anything.
2. Rather than a brand new story with brand new characters, it’s expanding on a previously established storyline with familiar characters. So whilst we’ll see Baelfire, Hook, Pan, Felix and Tinkerbell again, they still have the flexibility to introduce new characters such Tiger Lily, other original characters, etc. Plus since Ariel was in Neverland, they could include her as a guest character from time to time and expand her character.
3. We could get answers to all the unanswered questions that Neverland left? What was the dirty work Hook did for Pan? Why was Tinkerbell supposedly trusted by Pan? Why was Felix so loyal to Pan? Who was Rufio and what did Hook do to him? How did Baelfire escape Neverland? Why did Felix say he hoped never to see Baelfire again? What did Baelfire do to end up living on his own rather than at the lost boys camp? What did Wendy do in Neverland for over a century? How did Pan communicate with Michael and John? How did Pan get Henry’s picture? etc.
4. Although Hook is a popular character, he is also a divisive character within the fandom so making him the central character could turn some fans off from watching. Making Neverland an ensemble show which Hook is a part of means that, not only do you get the Hook fans watching, but also the Baelfire fans and the general fans who want to find out the answers to the questions left by the Neverland arc on Once. You’re audience base is increased by making an ensemble show and not a Hook centric one. Hook will be a lure for some people so he would probably be marketed quite heavily as a link between both shows but the show wouldn’t be all about Hook.
Daniel though, Lana Parrilla has called that true love like “Young Love…or puppy love,”…she says now that Regina’s an adult, her connection and love with Robin Hood is a lot deeper.
I disagree with this. Daniel was the whole reason for Regina’s turn to the dark side. His loss is what has driven Regina for the majority of her life. To say that Regina’s connection and love with Robin Hood, a guy she’s only really known for 2 weeks max, is “deeper” just flies in the face of what has gone before and actually diminishes the StableQueen relationship and thus Regina’s motivations as a character. If Regina’s connection to Daniel wasn’t as deep as her connection to Robin then why the hell did Regina spend decades waging a vendetta against Snow? The whole soulmates and “because pixie dust said so” crap is exceedingly flimsy at best but now adding a whole “Regina didn’t know what real love was until she met Robin” leaves a horrible taste in the mouth. The sun does not shine out of Robin Hood’s backside, he is not god’s gift to women. The writers might have a hard on for OQ, but they shouldn’t promote it to the point that they are actively trying to diminish the previous romantic relationships that both Regina and Robin have had. It damages both characters.
OQ has potential to be a good relationship on it’s own merits, but the writers throwing in the labels “soulmates” and “destined to be together” with a crap plot device then trying to ram the ship down the audience’s throat does not make the ship endearing, it makes it sickeningly sweet to the point that OQ is one step away from a diabetic coma. Marian and Daniel were very important and meaningful relationships in both Regina’s and Robin’s lives. Those relationships helped shape Regina and Robin as people. For the writers to try and diminish those relationships and say that OQ is “deeper” is wrong just because they feel OQ is threatened by the previous relationships. Perhaps if the writers actually took the time to build the OQ relationship on a stronger foundation than “because pixie dust said so” and just throwing the two characters together and saying “you have to like them, deal with it” then maybe they wouldn’t feel the need to try and ruin the previous relationships to try and make OQ look stronger than they are.
The Marian storyline should’ve been handled so differently. Marian should’ve been treated as an actual human being with feelings rather than as just an obstacle in OQ’s way that needed to be overcome. It would be perfectly acceptable to say “Daniel and Marian meant a lot to Regina and Robin respectively, they were their first true loves, so now Regina and Robin are trying to negotiate moving on with their lives and being in a new relationship with each other and trying to find a new happy ending” rather than saying “Daniel and Marian were meaningless compared to the greatness that is OQ. Regina and Robin didn’t know real love until they found each other. Daniel and Marian were nothing more than bed warmers preventing Robin and Regina being together”.
If the writers want the audience to support OQ, then they should build it up on its own merits, not try and belittle any other relationship Regina and Robin had in order to make OQ look better.
Lana also said that although Robin and Henry seem like Regina’s most obvious happy endings…she says something much more internal within Regina…something deeper. Along those lines…probably forgiving her own self, something we saw in 4×05 that Regina struggles with.
It would be interesting if this was the case with Regina forgiving herself. However, first she’d have to actually own up to any wrong doing on her part then actually feel remorse for it. She regrets nothing as evidence by her breaking free of the tree of regret.
I don’t think Regina needs to forgive herself in the sense that everything she did led to her getting Henry so she’s never going to regret her actions in that sense. However, I would like for her to acknowledge the feelings of others that were harmed by her actions and for her to try to make reparations somehow because she wants THEM to feel better, not because she’s doing it out of some benefit for herself.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDay 29 – Favorite Promo
This was really difficult so I’m going to say the newest promo for tonight’s episode that Matt posted in another thread. I’m not going to be able to see the episode until after work tomorrow but I’m excited for it. With the focus of the arc now back on the regular characters, it’ll be interesting to see if Once is starting to get some of it’s form back.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDay 28- Future Plotlines you’d like to see
RumBelle reconciliation- I’d like for RumBelle to get back together but I would like for Rumple to earn it rather than it just being handed to him on a plate. Most of all I’d like this to actually play out ON-SCREEN rather than it happening off-screen.
Baelfire comes back- Preferably it would be as Neal, but if teenage Baelfire came back, I’d be okay with that too. There is still story potential with this character.
Anastasia comes to Storybrooke- It would be nice to find out what happened to Anastasia and why she isn’t currently in Storybrooke. It would also be nice for her and Will to get their happy ending.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix@haliwellmanor I agree with most of what you said. Even for a friendship to be plausible for Emma and Regina, some things need to be forgotten. Like how Regina was the reason Emma grew up without her parents, that Regina raped Graham and murdered him.
I know Regina has progressed a lot as a character but it is unsettling that for the sake of plot, things that she did in the past are just forgotten or even not mentioned. Like I would have liked for it have been really addressed (for more than one episode too) that Regina was going to murder Robin’s wife? That itself seems to have white washed since Regina saved Marian’s life three times now, it’s forgotten.
How does Robin feel about that? It’s like he doesn’t even care and Marian is the mother of his child!!
I agree and I’d also like this to extend to Hook’s redemption as well. It’s never actually been dealt with his shooting Belle over the town line. It’s too late now since him and Emma are basically knocking boots but that is something he should’ve been punished for back in season 2.
Neither Hook nor Regina have had a realisation moment, they’ve just stopped trying to kill the heroes. The only one who gets called out on their actions is Rumple repeatedly. Hook’s and Regina’s redemption arcs would be a lot more satisfying if we actually see them struggle with it instead of being handed an advance to go and collect $200 card.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix“Regina has really shown a lot of decline this year by not killing Marian and doing the right thing”
Really? How has Regina declined? If anything she’s improved or are we to take “not killing Marian and doing the right thing” as not a good thing? Was Regina supposed to be wrong in NOT killing Marian again? Was killing Marian meant to be “the right thing”? That sentence is badly worded. How has Regina shown “a lot of decline”?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’m still having the same problem I had in December ie losing conversation when I change pages.
Also having the same problem as SFG, ie chat jumps to middle when trying to read older posts even with autoscroll turned off.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think the first secret will be that Rumple and the QoD are in town and the second secret will be that Snowing have history with one of the QoD.
It’s the second episode back so I don’t think the “big” secrets are going to be as big as they’re trying to make them out to be.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
