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I thought of a third possibility, that maybe he wasn’t changing pages, but adding pages? I’m certain there will be revealed more about why he was messing with the book, but could there also be a hidden clue about August’s nature (not identity) in the story they let us see him working on. Since August seems to offer advice, to Emma, Ruby, and Henry so far, might he be representing that his counsel is wise, as in the good fortune brought by the fox when his advice was heeded? Also note that at the end, when the fox was killed on the fox’s beseeching after he had helped bring about good things, he was revealed to be a prince who had been lost a great many years earlier. Now that may allude to Baelfire being possibly “lost” long ago to Rumple and to be returned to him.
I found a more expansive retelling here: http://www.authorama.com/grimms-fairy-tales-1.html.
Question: were we able to discern which pages/story August changed in the book? Whatever he was doing and the reason behind it has got to be a key clue about his identity and purpose. Which leads to the next question: did he change the pages to mislead Henry and/or any other characters who know about/can explore the book, or did he change the pages in order to change some particulars about that story?
Hi all. I’m new and haven’t read to far into the forum yet, so apologies if I’m repeating. Has anyone commented on the origin of Baelfire’s name? A Baelfire (also called Belfire or Balefire and many other similar words) is a large bonfire lit annually in medieval Ireland at Beltane (May Day) to celebrate spring, the dawning of a new year, the resurrection of nature, optimism, fertility, etc. In traditional Celtic culture, each home’s hearth fire was re-lit annually during Beltane from the bonfire as part of the ritual. From this standpoint, I’m thinking Baelfire may have died in the Ogre war he went to fight to get away from his now beastly father, or worse, that Rumple inadvertently caused his death, and that he created the curse to rebirth him. I’m thinking Baelfire will have a spectacular purpose, re-igniting the hearth of FTL or some such as he returns. It was mentioned that perhaps a reversal of time will result from Rumple’s plan. That could be the way.
Another way could be in a sort of reincarnation? Perhaps when a FTL character dies, he is born in our world. Recall that Henry was born in Phoenix, which suggests his father may have lived there. The phoenix is found in the mythologies of Arabian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Chinese, and even Indian people. It lives for like 1000 years, then builds itself a fiery nest on which it sits to be fiercely burned and reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix arises, perpetually repeating the cycle.
I believe part of Rumple’s purpose is redemption for himself, and nullification of EQ’s power. How? The plot is certainly thickening.
If this is where we’re headed, the next question then is, who is Baelfire? The 7-year-old local kid who found Emma? Potentially he ends up being Henry’s father. Potentially this is the stranger in town, August, who speaks of lemurs (named after spirits or ghosts in Roman mythology) in Nepal with eyes that reflect light, and he says the prayer temples are overrun with ghosts. Reincarnation is a give in Buddhism and Hinduism, the religions practiced in Nepal.
Who August is is its own more expansive post, but despite my comment, I don’t really think he is Baelfire, who I do think is Henry’s father, or for one, Emma would recognize him (nor do I think he is Pinocchio, as it seems many people here believe — too obvious for one thing). So I’m thinking we haven’t met Baelfire yet in our world. But I do think he is Rumpel’s reason for creating the curse and tricking EQ into enacting it.
@fortuna: My hubby who watches with me is strictly about top layer, not a delver type, although he listens patiently and even with some interest to my delicious theories, speculation, and observations, and marvels about how “you were right again!” I don’t care about being right so much as the process and the journey, which is why I appreciate this new genre of TV, and a good forum to share the journey with others of like mind is a huge bonus. So thanks for the indulgence.
@cruel_fortuna wrote:
I know they took great liberties with all those movies & the mythology is all messed up but darn it all if I don’t swoon any time Loki or Hector shows up on my television screen.
( I take it this means you hated the Mummy movies too, since they totally messed with Imhotep’s real-life counterpart & the bit about renaming Nefertiti to Nefertiri )
@fortuna: Sorry, no I don’t hate any of it at all!!! Fantasy and swoonable actors make them all worth watching more than once for sure. The Mummy movies and many modern day quest movies like National Treasure, even the Indiana Jones movies all keep them alive to various extents. I shouldn’t suggest I am such a purist as to insist on correct or nothing when it comes to story. After all, all myth evolves with the times, and sometimes contradicts itself. I much prefer retelling than nothing, and I do love that filmmakers are introducing myth to a new generation. I would just like them to somehow inject more layers, for mythology inspires philosophy, open-mindedness, and possibility. Yet I know that can’t be easy to do, although ONCE is doing it marvelously for its genre, and without question rearranging some of the facts as we “knew” them. Mediocre was a poor choice of words, and should have specified “mediocre in the accuracy of classical retelling”.
Could it be that R was preparing his “arsenal” to counter the dark curse? I think he has been playing EQ all along. We know he knows who he really is, who Regina really is, and where they come from. I suspect he allowed himself to be captured when he contracted with C knowing she was tricking him, to throw off suspicion and move his plan along. After all, he created the dark curse, and is way too clever to give its power over to anyone else much less anyone as dangerous as EQ unless he wanted it used for some reason, and knew how and had the “tools” required to counter it, according to his own timetable, of course. I believe his ultimate motive is personal release and redemption.
@cruel_fortuna wrote:
It probably helps that I’m going through and reading parts of the Ulster Cycle; in particular the part about the Tuatha Dé Danann, back before they were associated with being faeries. So, given the fact that Greek myth has worked it’s way into the show, would you like seeing more mythology explored, perhaps seeing a sylph in Fairytale Land would be nice?’
You are probably a fan of Yeats, then, as I am. Is your ancestry Irish?
Mythology does spill a little into fairy tale i.e. fairies and mermaids, and I thought of the Lady of the Lake in the Frederick episode. I don’t think getting too much into the mythology would be a good idea in ONCE, only because it would become too convoluted. Mythology is so expansive that it is incredibly difficult to represent well, as we’re seeing by the mediocre treatment of recent movies like Troy, Thor, and Clash and Wrath of the Titans, unfortunately none altogether true to their mythologies, and done more as comic book adventure than meaty explorations. I would, however, love a series comparable to ONCE focusing on mythology.
@cruel_fortuna wrote:
The whole mention of shin splints & the proximity to trees just strengthens my resolve in thinking he’s Pinocchio. What’s more, his being hurt that Emma would call him a liar .
I was convinced Graham was the wolf because of some of his comments, for example, something like, “my way is to pound the pavement, knock on doors”, when he and Emma were discussing searching techniques regarding the missing Henry. Knocking on doors relating to the three little pigs story, double entendre. I was wrong, clearly duped. So I’m more wary now of these writers’ trickery.
