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Um, so after pondering the scene of infinite emotional pain all day something occurred to me.
During Snowing’s ridiculous accusation against Killy, Emma looks extremely pensive. As in everything that Killy just told her finally sunk in. Greenie cursed his LIPS in order to steal her magic because she thought the best person to remove Emma’s magic would be him. And THAT is why he has been acting so weird lately – because he can’t kiss her. The way he is CURSED is that he can’t kiss her. And Emma is NOT stupid, she knows the one way ALL curses can be broken – she JUST watched a curse be broken by that very same method, in fact she has personal experience with that method. I think part of the whole RIDICULOUS scene that made no sense at all was simply to allow us to see Emma . . . subtly processing. I think she was contemplating the same thing we have all been thinking – is it possible that she can break his curse by kissing him? WE all know that Killy is her True Love but in that moment I think for the first time she actually started to mentally process the fact that he just might be. I think she was actually considering that the WW might be wrong – that just like Hook reminded her that Cora wasn’t able to remove her heart because love is strength, Greenie won’t be able to remove her magic via kissing Killian because love is strength.
I keep thinking about the scene after Charming proposed to Snow and they were talking about how they were going to defeat Regina and take back the palace. Snow says that they will do it they way they have done everything else “Together.” Someone mentioned somewhere that what got all messed up in this episode is that Emma and Killian weren’t acting together like they usually do and therefore they both got all out of sink. And neither one of them function well when they aren’t in sink. They really need to act “together” to be at their best. So I keep thinking that a TLK is really the BEST way for them to defeat the WW. It is the ultimate way for them to act together and take the WW by surprise when Emma’s magic can’t be taken away.
[adrotate group="5"]I saw something on tumblr that showed the bottle of potion that Neal sent to Hook vs. the bottle of potion Hook gave to Emma. They are NOT the same. Knowing this show it could just be a continuity error OR it could clear up a LOT!
What if Neal sent the potion to Hook so that HE could get his memories back to get to Emma? Hook told Emma that he could only get enough ingredients together for ONE dose of memory potion AND he told everyone that he received a bottle of memory potion along with a note from a bird. He NEVER said he was talking about the SAME bottle of memory potion.
So it is possible that Hook came to SB along with everyone else via the dark curse but with his memories intact and still had the Jolly Roger. Then because the JR is enchanted and can travel between realms he was able to trade it somewhere for the ingredients of the OTHER bottle of memory potion and a way to get to Emma in NY.
@lumee23 I didn’t even notice that she called him Hook first, I only noticed that she called him Killian!
I am guessing that mentally Emma told herself she didn’t have to “pretend” he wasn’t Captain Hook anymore (I would have to rewatch to see if this happens before or after Henry gets his memories back, but even if it is before, the kid has already seen flying monkeys and is being held captive by a green women dressed like a witch who flew in on a broomstick so she probably decided she would no longer be successful at keeping him in the dark) so she almost unconsciously called him Hook and/or since he was being presented as somewhat of a villain that was how she unconsciously addressed him. The more important part though was that later, even when she was mad at him and telling him that she couldn’t trust him she called him Killian. She really didn’t mean what she was saying, she was just using him as the person to lash out to. If she MEANT what she was saying she would call him Hook again. But she truly no longer views him as that person or as someone she can no longer trust.
They have made a big deal out of her using his real name twice now – neither time has been what we have wanted. The first was when Killy had just been cursed and it was the first time she REALLY called him Killian because Henry was out of earshot and she didn’t HAVE to call him Killian, but it was bittersweet because as much as he had been wanting to hear her say his real name he couldn’t enjoy it because he had just been cursed. Then we had last night. Again, he couldn’t enjoy it because the second time she calls him by his real name is when she is mad at him and telling him she can’t trust him – which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing with CS.
But knowing how A and E love their parallels, remember how Emma broke the curse in season 1? Right before she kissed him she said “HENRY, I love you.” Now from the promo we know something happens to Killy. It would be a great parallel and super important to Killian if the FIRST time he hears her say his real name in a positive light it is coupled with “I love you” and a TLK.
Okay and something I was thinking about. Emma didn’t lose it with Killian because of anything HE did. She lost it with him because he has become her SAFE PERSON and for her perspective she just became completely expendable. She lost it with him because she DOES trust him, she trusts that he will always be there.
So she had to accept that she was brought out of her perfect little NYC dream with Henry back into her SB Savior nightmare to save everyone again. She had to embrace her magic. And everything was going along just fine. Then in this episode Henry finally comfronts her like a REAL preteen boy and she snaps at him. They go to get the storybook and lo and behold SHE looks in the drawer and and it’s not there but 10 seconds later BOOM Snow finds it – Savior not needed. Then they get to the docks and find Henry. Emma hands Henry the book and he immediately gets his memory back, the book was his talisman – Savior not needed. Yay!! Henry is reunited with his OTHER mom who immediately tells him she loves him, kisses him and THE CURSE IS BROKEN – to which Emma says “It wasn’t me, it was YOU!” – Savior not needed. Then we have Henry meet, um, his new stepdad – Robin Hood “Awesome!” and Emma watches the new happy little family stroll away arms wrapped around each other, after having been his ONLY mom for a year. Not to mention that Emma has discovered that her OWN parents, the people who sent her AWAY the first time the curse was enacted, were the people who cast the darn curse THIS time which REQUIRED them to pull her OUT of her happy life to defeat the WW so that her SIBLING could be protected. So then we have poor Killy, who did the RIGHT thing by protecting HENRY when he was trying to run away. There is a psychological theory that we lash out at the people we love the most because they are our safe people – the people that we know won’t leave us and will forgive us for our misbehaviors so they unfortunately see our bad side. I think this is what happened with Emma in this episode. Emma is completely confused. She was told she was NEEDED to defeat the WW because she is the Savior and the Savior always save the say but that day she was needed for absolutely NOTHING. Then she finds out that after her son got mad at her and took off, it was Killian who ended up protecting him. In 3B Emma has been all about saying she is going back to NYC because that is what is best for Henry and she needs to protect Henry, blah, blah, blah. Well suddenly Killian was the one who had made the choice of how to ACTUALLY protect Henry when he REALLY needed protecting, and suddenly going back to NYC is no longer an option because Henry has two moms again. Emma isn’t feeling very special as either a mother OR the Savior right now, whereas ten minutes ago she was feeling on top of the world as BOTH. The easiest thing for her to do is do revert and blame those feelings on what she is used to – not being able to trust people, and whether she recognizes it or not, Killian has become her safe person so HE is the person she is going to lash out to and take it all out on.
The good news here is that since Emma so far HASN’T been needed for anything as the Savior, they appear to be setting everything up for her to really ONLY be needed to break one very important curse – Killian’s kissing curse. And it will be quite an epiphany for her if she has been hurt that she hasn’t been needed for anything yet but still chooses to risk losing her magic and risk defeating the WW in order to kiss Killian in order to save him since it looks like he is hurt in the promo. One thing I also thought of is that the WW stole the needle that Regina put the sleeping curse on. I wonder if somehow Killy gets poked with the sleeping curse. I have seen people saying that A and E said there wouldn’t be another sleeping curse, but I thought I read or heard them say somewhere that there WOULD be another sleeping curse but that it wouldn’t be who you think it would be.
See the lack of heart thing doesn’t bother me or seem inconsistent because if you look at who it is that Regina has been able to “feel” love for they have now BOTH been established as her True Love’s – Henry and Robin Hood. Whereas Graham didn’t have a True Love so the fact that he said he couldn’t feel anything wasn’t all that surprising. But then when Emma came along I think he said something along the lines that she made him WANT to feel something again – so recognizing that there is someone you could have the possibility of love with would make you at least feel . . . something. Also take Milah – I think that Hook was her True Love and after she had her heart ripped out she still loved him, she could obviously still feel something when she told him she loved him as she said goodbye before Rumple crushed her heart.
And I never watched Once Upon a Time in Wonderland so I think it’s hard to borrow things from one show and apply them to the other since not everyone watches both shows.
Also as far as Snowing being able to share a heart, I also don’t have a problem with that because again they are a True Love couple and I think things are different when True Love is involved. And just because something is done once doesn’t mean it has to ALWAYS be done the exact same way. The fact that Snow THOUGHT of it and wanted to try it was what made it unique, just because no one thought of it before doesn’t make it unrealistic – I think it makes it a special Snowing True Love thing.
I do think Killy kind of spat back a bit this time. When everyone was accusing him of lying about the potion he got mad and fired back that SOMEONE sent him the potion, who the heck sent him the potion. I think the thing about Killy is that, especially after seeing how he feels about himself after what happened with Ariel, he UNDERSTANDS why people don’t trust him even though it kills. And he feels like, even though he WANTS he to be, he isn’t a good enough person to earned everyone’s trust yet. From his perspective he has always wanted to be completely honest with Emma but he hasn’t been able to because of his curse – but he blames he partially blames HIMSELF for the curse because of what happened with Ariel. So he feels like he has been less than honorable by not being completely honest with her. So then even though he WAS literally just acting like Henry’s dad and trying to protect him, when Emma called him on it – even though she had regressed again – HE still felt like SHE was right because there was NO WAY he COULD have told have told her what he was doing because of his curse that was, once again, partially his fault because of actions that he feels were less than honorable. And as long as Killy feels that way – he isn’t going to fire back at the Charmings because he thinks they have a right to question him. From his perspective, as long as they continue to question him HE hasn’t done enough.
I do think JMo said that Killy says something coming up like he doesn’t know why he keeps trying when the woman he loves keeps running from him or something like that. So he is obviously hurt and frustrated. And I would think especially after he tried to protect Henry, and after Emma has continually been trusting Killy with Henry. But after seeing the promo I honestly think the whole point is to have Emma drastically revert back to where she was before so that when something bad happens to Killy she panics and instinct kicks in that makes her finally admit to herself and to everyone else that she loves him. Can you imagine how Emma would react if he tells her he doesn’t know why he even tries anymore which makes him depressed and distracted and results in him getting hurt?
No, absolutely no reason AT ALL to be upset if we don’t get a kiss OR, if we do, if the kiss doesn’t result in some kind of MAJOR development. Afterall – OQ had a heck of a kiss last week and as far as we know NOTHING major resulted from that even though we know they are a true love couple. So clearly there is something very specific that must happen in order to break this curse and it might NOT be a TLK – it could be the birth of the Snowing baby or something. Who knows.
I am still hopeful for a TLK but I have learned to expect NOTHING so I won’t be disappointed and can just enjoy the show no matter what happens!
Also, I thought the whole Captain Cobra scene about the “loaded dice” was . . . random.
Especially since Killy specifically said “The secret to winning . . . loaded dice.”
So I did some research on “loaded dice”, “loading the dice”, “the dice were loaded from the start”, etc. Aside from the literal translation of loaded dice, it figuratively means that the odds were against you from the start because forces were in places beforehand that guaranteed the outcome.
So it is interesting that this scene takes place in the episode where Greenie curses Killy’s lips. At the beginning of the episode you have Killy and Henry “bonding” over what appears to be Killy teaching Henry how to “cheat” at a game. And Henry points out that it is cheating and has a kind of has a problem with this . . . but not really because it is just two guys hanging out doing guy things together and Henry is desparate for a father figure in his life (this is memory loss Henry who has never known Neal). Then Killy points out that Henry should practice since loaded dice is the secret to winning the game – as he gets up to walk over to Snowing who are standing there with GREENIE DISGUISED AS ARIEL. GAME ON.
Then at the end of the episode we have Greenie cursing our sweet pirate’s lips. But here’s the thing. The dice were loaded from the start. Emma and Killian are True Love. Forces were in place beforehand that have guaranteed the outcome of a kiss between a True Love a couple – True Love’s Kiss can break any curse. So it doesn’t matter that Killian is cursed. The secret to winning the game is loaded dice. And it’s interesting that the thing that Greenie threatened was Henry – the person that Killy had JUST taught how to “cheat” at dice. So isn’t it appropriate that Killy would actually PROVE to Henry that the secret to winning the game really IS loaded dice – and NOT in an actual “cheating” fashion, but in a heroic, I-just-saved-you-and-your-entire-family-and-brought-back-your-memories-and-saved-your-mother’s-magic-and-defeated-the-WW fashion? Wouldn’t this once again prove all the Hook haters wrong when they complain that he is a bad influence on Henry because he was teaching him to cheat at dice when Henry reminds a everyone that Killy was right – the secret to winning really WAS loaded dice – the fact that he and his mom are True Love, which he will probably point out he has known all along? Everyone will see the point to the whole thing was foreshadowing and NOT to have Killian actually training Henry to set out for Vegas (although that would be a GREAT episode!). So I really believe we are getting our TLK tonight, this is just ANOTHER thing that shows they have been setting us up for it.
Happy Once Day!!! I think this is going to be IT for us guys!! We basically have no spoiler pictures at all for this episode so it was shot in studio, none of the promos have had any CS moments but we KNOW the episode MUST contain CS moments because how does Henry get taken by the WW WITHOUT CS moments? I mean Emma is going to have to either find out about the kissing curse or they are going to kiss (or both). I saw a tumblr post where someone mentioned that the next episode is “Kansas” and if they actually leave SB and go to the real Kansas (which they probably do since Walsh said he was from Kansas) and we have pictures of the gang IN Kansas, the curse has to be broken in this episode in order for them to be able to leave SB. They have been remarkably silent about this episode except to say it is a Snowing episode but I think that is only because we find out about the rest of the missing year via Snowing flashbacks. It’s like they have purposely kept silent about CS. But did you all see the tweet about the Huey Lewis song and read the lyrics? It totally makes sense with the episode title “A Curious Thing” and the upcoming “Back to the Future” episodes, and the lyrics basically spell out what happens with a TLK.
I’m not gonna lie – I’m super excited about tonight’s episode. I’m just glad we have a really busy day today so it will go by FAST!!
I can’t ever seem to post pictures from my phone or ipad. Someone needs to post pictures of Hobbit Baby. Roland is universally embraced by all and very appropriate for Love Day!!
