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So my husband doesn’t seem to appreciate things the way all of you do . . .
I just showed him the picture of Roland and CS and said “OMG you have to see this picture, it’s the cutest thing EVER!”
*husband looks at picture *
HUSBAND: “Who is that?”
ME: “WHAT?? It’s Hobbit Baby with JMo and Colin behind the scenes!”
HUSBAND: “I have no idea what that even means.”
* I love you all *
[adrotate group="5"]I agree that Hook is really in a tough position when it comes to telling Emma and I actually think it makes sense that he hasn’t told her.
Right before Neal died, Hook grabbed him and hugged him and you could tell from their reconciliation scene that he regretted how things ended with them when Bae was just a boy on his ship. Then you have the scene where Hook asks Emma if he can take Henry out to talk to him about Bae after the funeral because it will help BOTH of them death with Neal’s DEATH, now you have the WW threatening to kill Henry if Hook tells Emma about his curse. Hook has immense guilt over what happened with Bae and I think he sees the opportunity to be there for his son as a way to continue to make amends for that even after Bae has died. So forget about his need to always be honest with Emma – I think much of his motivation in this situation is the fact that he once turned Bae over to Peter Pan and has lived with the guilt of doing that from the second he did it – he is not about do something that is going to cause him to basically make the exact same mistake with Henry by basically turning him over to the WW. Yes it makes things much more complicated because he loves Emma and wants to be honest with her and he ALREADY has things that he is keeping from her so this is just making it worse. But I think A and E want us to understand that Hook isn’t just “accepting” Henry because he is Emma’s son but that he has his own reason’s for wanting to be a father to him that are completely separate from his love for Emma. Because of his relationship with Bae I think Hook would step up to be father figure in Henry’s life even if he DIDN’T have any kind of romantic relationship with Emma – I think he truly sees it as his responsibility to be a father figure and protector of Henry because that’s what he really WANTED to be to Bae and that’s how he feels he can honor Bae’s memory. The fact that he loves Emma only makes that desire stronger.
So I think there are really two issues – he’s not going to tell her because he isn’t going to take any chances with Henry, and he isn’t going to kiss her because he doesn’t want to take away Emma’s magic.
Now when Greenie goes and ups the game and actually takes and threatens Henry, all of that will change because BOTH Emma and Hook would choose Henry over magic. And like I’ve said before I think we are going to see two “parents” working together to save their son when that happens. I do think we are likely to get a TLK that will break Hook’s kissing curse and break everyone’s memory curse at the same time – and which will also shock the heck out of at least Hook because he doesn’t think he is Emma’s TL. The only situation I could see Emma getting “mad” at Hook for not telling her would be if she had already been honest enough with herself to recognize that she is in love with him so the TLK would have broken the kissing curse all along – in which case the scene will become more of a comedy because there is no way Hook is going to let her get away with knowing she loved him but never doing anything about it – it will be Captain Innuendo/married couple arguing comedy to break the tension. The other scenario I can see going down would be if Emma finds out that the WW captured and threatened Hook and she somehow gets Hook to tell her what is going on that because of that. That would make Emma an ultra ticked off Savior because now Greenie has threatened her son AND her pirate and that isn’t going to sit very well with her. Or, and this is what I’m kind of hoping happens, Greenie takes Henry and Hook has to go tell Emma that she got him feeling like crap because he promised her Henry would always be safe with him. Hook tells her why the WW took Henry and they all run to go save him. When they get to the WW and Henry Greenie makes sure Emma understands the deal but then to humiliate Hook she tells Emma everything he has been keeping from her about his missing year that he is ashamed of. Emma, though, is smart enough to recognize that the only reason Hook would keep ANY of this from her is because he wants her to think if him as a man of honor and not a pirate anymore and that he was trying to protect Henry and trying to protect her magic (cue Colin’s heartbreaking, dejected puppy dog eyes). So when Emma realizes all of that Greenie’s plan backfires because Emma is finally able to fully admit to herself that she loves Hook and WILLINGLY kisses the holy heck out of him to show him that she doesn’t care about anything that he did before because she loves ALL of him – even the dark pirate side. And THAT ends up being the TLK that breaks his kissing curse and brings back everyone’s memory and then Emma can take on the WW with even STRONGER magic than she has had yet because we all know that her magic is strongest when she is with Hook.
And then there is great rejoicing and merriment across the CS fandom!!!
I also read that theory about the “curse” really being a protection spell and thought it was interesting and made sense. I’ve decided there are some really smart and creative people in our fandom!
I do think one interesting piece of the puzzle that hasn’t been addressed that we are all now just starting to think about is why Zelena would want to come to SB. There is really no reason for her to need to come to SB to do what she wants to do, in fact it would probably be easier for her to do it back in the EF. She had everything she needed back in the EF and that’s where she was from so to redo history she would really want to STAY in the EF, right? So I am now pretty much convinced it was a “good guy” who either enacted the curse to get back to Emma because she is the only one whose magic is strong enough to defeat her or they came back to SB along with a protection spell for the baby and Zelena is now trying to break the protection spell. The only thing I’m not sure about is whether the protection spell would actually be considered a “curse” – I know the memory loss is bad but is it a side effect of the protection spell? It would seem odd to have TLK break a protection spell. That would be something good breaking something that is also good. Unless the protection spell was just part of the curse that brought them back to SB and erased their memories.
Who knows.
Where I get lost in all of that is that most of that seems like it would have been done by Snowing and Regina but it seems like there is still something big that Hook is hiding from not just Emma but from everyone else, so he MUST have had some part in everything. But if it’s big enough that he can’t tell Snowing and Regina then the above theories don’t work.
One thing I am still not clear on – has Hook actually seen Zelena in SB before she cursed him? Because I THINK every time she has been around Hook has been off with Henry. If that is the case, I do think it is odd that Hook knew who Zelena was as soon as she poofed out of being Ariel (not that that wouldn’t be a dead give away). But it makes me wonder if Zelena somehow tricked Hook into doing something back in the EF that he is ashamed of and THAT is really the big thing he doesn’t want anyone to know about. I feel like we have a very conflicted Hook in 3B – like he so badly wants to be Killian Jones again but doesn’t feel worthy of it, his confidence in himself has massively decreased even though his confidence in Emma is stronger than it’s ever been. It just seems like something major had to have happened for him to start doubting himself when he was so confident in Neverland that he could go back to being Killian Jobes again – he was able to fight off Pan’s temptations in order to go back to the man he wanted to be. But it seems like something happened that broke HIM. Only Emma is going to be able to fix it. I hope we find out what it was this week.
I was just looking on tumblr and a thought came to me. In the scene where Emma comes in and warns Hook about the apples in Regina’s house, do you think Hook was contemplating a sleeping curse for himself while looking at that apple? He was looking awfully pensive while looking very intently at that apple, and we know he is worried about taking away Emma’s magic.
I just wondered because when he made the comment about saying his sense of humor left when the WW arrived, it could really have been that he didn’t find it funny because that was EXACTLY what he was thinking about and considering. I don’t know that he would ever go through with it because I think he also knows that he needs to be there to protect Emma and Henry. I think it would be an easy way out of the pain of not being able to have Emma and a safe way of not worrying about taking away her magic, plus he doesn’t think he is Emma’s TL so he doesn’t think she would kiss him to wake him up.
Just something that occurred to me when I saw a gif on tumblr that was a close up of Hook looking pensively at the apple.
@Bo-Peeps You’ve figured it out!!! I’m convinced of it. That is the ONLY way Neal’s random, bizarre death and his whole “you showed me what it means to sacrifice” makes ANY sense at all.
You are totally right, they only ever needed one heart to survive. If Neal “made” Rumple sacrifice his heart for the curse than Rumple sacrificed the thing he loved most and Rumple could cast the curse (or I guess technically even Neal could have cast it). Neal was going to die anyway because the way he brought Rumple back required his life in exchange -so it is kind of like the EF version of organ donation.
Yes! I always wondered if Hook knew exactly what had happened to Neal/Rumple and that Neal had to die – because after Neal asked Hook how it felt to be the hero Hook asked him how it felt to be the villain. When Neal asked why a villain Hook said because he assumed Neal must have used some dark magic to try to get his father back. But in hindsight I wondered if he was really asking how does it actually FEEL to be a villain considering your father, who is one of the ultimate villains, is living inside of you and talking in your head. Then when he gave him that emotional hug it was like he was trying to make amends and saying goodbye – like he knew Neal was going to die.
And now that I guess we know for sure there is going to be some kind of time travel/alternate reality episode I get thrown for a tizzy because Tim e travel on TV screws everything up! So I am wondering is Hook aware of some time travel loop that has already occurred and THAT is why he can’t tell anyone what he knows and he can’t tell Emma about his missing year? Because you know how in time travel if you change one thing it sets off major changes in other areas that you never even thought of?? So maybe he is trying to protect everyone from making life altering decisions by just keeping quiet about what he knows and letting them figure it out on their own. Take Neal’s death for example, no one wanted Neal to die but in current time he had to die – if Hook told people that Neal was going to die they would probably all do something to stop it but Hook might know that his death was needed for some reason and keeping him alive would change things too much. I don’t know. This is why I HATE time travel on TV shows!!
@Jennifer I can probably count on one hand the number of times I have been right during the entire run of the show so far – I am that bad at theorizing, but it’s still fun.
But now I am wondering if Snow cast the curse based upon the spoilers that say that Regina, Snow, and Charming make a difficult decision that affects everyone. I wonder if somehow she is able to “sacrifice” Charming without actually killing him – like can his heart be borrowed or something? There is footage of him falling to his knees in the promo – I can see him agreeing to sacrifice himself to save his baby since his already “lost” one by not being able to raise Emma. Snow and Charming don’t have magic so they couldn’t do they curse on their own, they would have to rely on Regina to show them how to do it. Charming couldn’t do it because he couldn’t pregnant Snow. So maybe Hook really was telling the truth – maybe Regina put together a memory potion and Snow sent a message via her bird to Hook telling him that they were in trouble and he needed to get Emma back to SB before Snow cast the curse and sent them all back to SB. No idea if they all knew they would lose their memories or if that was an snafu. Because if they knew it was going to happen you think you would write yourself a note on your arm explaining what happened or something. I also then don’t know what happened to the JR. Could he not use it to cross realms anymore so he had to trade it for something else that would get him back to Emma? Did he trade it to try to find additional memory potion for Henry? Did he just decide he no longer wanted to be a pirate and just got rid if it as a symbolic gesture?.
I’m beginning to wonder if everyone was turning to dark magic during the missing year due to variations of trying to bring back people from the “dead”, get back to people they love, find a way to defeat the WW, protect themselves from the WW, and get back to Emma so she could defeat the WW. Maybe Hook’s reason for not telling people what he knows is that ignorance is bliss – they wouldn’t like the dark choices they made in the EF and he is wanting to spare them the pain??
I don’t know . . . I am confused.
I don’t necessarily think this curse is exactly the same as the one Regina cast the first time – that was the “Dark Curse” and it was made to destroy everyone’s happy ending but to give Regina her own Happy Ending. For that reason she had to sacrifice the heart of the thing she loved most.
This time around I think they just figured out the only way to get back to Emma was to curse everyone again by sending them back to SB just like before but missing only their memories of the past year – that isn’t the Dark Curse. In that case I don’t see why you would need an actual human heart to cast the curse but if you had to sacrifice the THING you loved most Hook would be perfect because of the Jolly Roger. Maybe it’s just some kind of major sacrifice that is required.
As far as Zelena remembering the only thing I can come up with is that since she is so powerful the curse doesn’t affect her or since she wasn’t affected by the original curse she isn’t affected by this one either.
I am not sure why Hook wouldn’t tell everyone what is going on but there has to be something else that went down during the missing year that Hook doesn’t want Emma to know about. I am having difficulty believing that it is just guilt over the thing with Ariel and our theory that he in some way sacrificed the JR for her that is making him want to keep it from her.
My theories are typically wrong and I expect this one will probably be too!
I guess I don’t have enough faith in my own theories to turn them into head canon!! I keep them safely at the theory level so when they are always wrong I am not disappointed.
I have fun trying to figure it all out because I look at it as a mystery to be solved and I love mysteries – my friends and family all tell me I should have been a detective, but given my success at predicting the correct outcome on OUaT I would suck at being one.
I just have fun analyzing and over-analyzing and looking for hidden clues, etc. But then I guess I kind of just “reset” after the episode airs and start theorizing all over again. I really don’t care if my theories are wrong and even though I might sometimes question something at first I don’t let holes or inconsistencies bother me. It’s a TV show, it’s not real life so stuff like that is going to happen. And I think we all probably notice a whole lot more of those kinds of things than the average viewer since we analyze every aspect of the show over and over again. If we didn’t do that and rewatch the episodes multiple times we probably wouldn’t even notice the inconsistencies.
I do sometimes sit back and laugh at ALL of us, myself included, when we are talking about a character and we say something like “And you know when she was doing that she was thinking about all the times she has been hurt before and how she is finally ready to open up to someone, blah, blah, blah.” Because these are all freakin’ fictional characters so THEY don’t HAVE any thoughts, THEY don’t exist. Only the actors who portray them exist and they are reading a script. Sure they have some kind of motivation for where their character is coming from when they are portraying that character, but we still go WAY overboard on giving these fictional characters thoughts and feelings. So I do think it is strange in a creepy way when people will tweet questions to the actors about why “their” character did something and they will respond with what “their” character was thinking or feeling and then people will bash the actors for their response because they don’t like it. Ummm, that actor IS the person who portrays that character so if he or she says they were feeling that way, that’s how they were feeling – analyzing the crap out of it won’t change that.
