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Also having to say something about Emma holding Killian’s hook/wrist in the promo. All those guilty of reading CS fanfic where Killian is ashamed of having Emma touch his naked wrist/stump raise your hand!!! This is great!! I so hope that my theory on this is not wrong (I’ve been wrong about everything lately). We just had self-loathing Killian episode and now we are going to have Killian kind of pulling away from Emma because he doesn’t know what to do about the kissing curse while at the same time Emma has decided she wants Killian. So the tables are now turned and Emma is going after HIM. But poor Killian isn’t going to know what to do and it is going to kill us. We are going to get all the stuff we wanted but not how we wanted it. We got her calling him “Killian” as he was leaving her apartment and couldn’t even react to it to the way we knew he wanted to. Now we are going to have Emma trying to show him that she loves and accepts ALL of him by holding his wrist/hook and poor Killian is going to be anguished!! She is going to be trying to send him one of their unspoken messages as she does it and I think he is going to try to act like he doesn’t even care but it is going to KILL him. I can’t wait to see that scene because if there is anyone who can pull off the 16 different emotions that are going through Killian’s mind in one close-up it is Colin!!
[adrotate group="5"]Oooohh I was reading a CS fic and in it Hook thought about how TLK is supposed to break any curse but how he tried TLK once before and it didn’t work. Do you think that will come up at all in the actual show? I think it would be good to revisit that and maybe the Charmings tell him it doesn’t work when memories are lost. There hasn’t been any mention of it at all about him trying TLK despite the fact that Emma would obviously remember that he tried.
I have to admit I have a bit of a head canon about this. Actually several different versions of head canons. This is where the “Love is strength” comes back into play for me. I don’t think the WW can steal Emma’s magic via Killy’s lips because love is strength so I think the power of TLK would trump Greenie’s kissing curse.
So I think poor Killy will have angst over this for awhile and then Emma will be like “No problem, pucker up – TLK and all remember?” In which case Killian will be shocked 1) because she actually loves him at all and 2) because he will discover why TLK didn’t work this first time. OR Something will happen and they will decide to go ahead and kiss anyway – like if they both think they are going to die or something – and they are BOTH taken by surprise that the kissing curse doesn’t work and that their kiss is TLK. Not really surprised so much that they are TL but more surprised by the fact that their TLK was more powerful than the kissing curse because Emma’s love is strength.
I’m really hoping it’s something like that, especially now that we know that Killy saw that Cora wasn’t able to rip Emma’s heart out. Here’s why:
We know that the most traumatic thing Killian has seen was when Rumple ripped Milah’s heart out and crushed in front of him. She died in his arms and there was nothing he could do. He also has deep guilt over his relationship with Bae, he is trying to honor Bae by watching over Henry and telling him about his father, but he also loves Henry because he is Emma’s son. I firmly believe that we have been given a few hints and seen a few things now that show us that Emma uses her love for and thoughts of Killian as the stimulus for her strongest powers. The WW has now cursed Killian’s love and by extension, threatened both Emma and Henry. This is basically a complete repeat of history. With both Milah and Bae Killian was left feeling helpless, guilty, and empty. What Killian NEEDS now is to know that HE is Emma’s strength. He needs to know that it doesn’t matter if the WW has cursed his love for Emma because THEIR love is strength. Because she relies on HIM, her magic can overcome any curse placed on his love because just like when Cora was unable to rip Emma’s heart out – the WW won’t be able to take her power away because it is grounded in THEIR love. Killian NEEDS to know this. I think this is what will help him overcome his self-loathing. He knows he loves Emma but so far he doesn’t think TLK worked. People talk about Snowing “being” TL. Emma and Killian don’t realize that they ARE TL. Killian IS TL. The odd thing is until this last episode I was convinced that Emma was the one who was going to be the one dragging her feet to admitting she loves Killian but now I have the feeling that Emma is the one who is going to recognize a whole lot faster that they are TL and I think she is going to have to convince Killian that he is worthy of her love. The only way I think she can do that is for him to realize that she thinks of him to boost her powers.
Yes, I find her creepy/scary. In all the cast interviews they talked about what was scary about the WW is that you don’t know what it is exactly that she is after – every episode she is after someone else and it isn’t quite clear what she is doing. I would agree and I think that is what makes her scary. She seems to know a lot – at least she knows just what to threaten people with/how to freak them out. But she is also just plain creepy and weird and one fry short of a Happy Meal. Like it didn’t make sense to me why she freaked out so bad when she found out that she was “adopted” or had a sister, and her obsession with Rumple was bizarre in a very disturbing way (“I made you a meat pie!”).
Plus Rebecca does this overacting thing that totally works for the character. I mean that in a good way.
It is very strange to be this far into a character’s arc and still have no idea what it is that she is doing! LOL
I actually think it seemed out of character for Hook NOT to agree to give up his ship based upon the character growth we had already seen – but I think that was the whole point of the episode. If, say, they hadn’t been cursed back to the EF there is no way Hook would have chosen his ship over helping Ariel. But Hook even made the comment that he hadn’t been himself since he got back. He was lost – lost without Emma. When he was with Emma, Henry, Snowing, Regina, and even Rumple now he knew the person he wanted to be but once he got back to the EF and left his “family” he lost sight of why he wanted to be a man of honor even though that was who he had started to become and he was really kind of between worlds. I think it was just more out of habit that he tried to go back to being a pirate -thinking it would be the way to fill the void in his life where Emma had been.
I don’t think he ever really WANTED to do any of the pirate things he was doing – I think he was hoping that the longer he did them, he would eventually come to enjoy them again. He kept trying to force himself back into pirate persona – except with the wench, that would mean having to actually choose that lifestyle over EMMA which he would never do. He kept trying and trying until Ariel called him on it and he realized that by trying to go back to living as a pirate he was giving up finding a way to get back to Emma. That’s where the continuing self-loathing comes in. He should give himself a break but he won’t because he has had too much character growth already – he had already decided he was going to be an honorable man and knowing he made the decision to do something dishonorable pains him deeply. So the actions are not out of character for a pirate but they are out of character for Killian because he had already started to move away from being a pirate.
I think it’s interesting that we are shown that Ariel and Eric have been reunited and that Emma is aware of this. To Hook that fact won’t matter because he will be focused on what he SHOULD have done. But I think that both Ariel and Emma would focus on the fact that Ariel and Eric got their Happy Ending – it didn’t matter that he didn’t take Blackbeard’s offer. And even though Emma has told him that what he did during the missing year didn’t matter – it will to Killian because he won’t like not being able to tell her the truth. It will all come out just like it did with Snowing.
Personally, I am kind of excited to see what they do with the situation. We have been talking about how Killian has self-loathing issues for ages now but I feel like this was the episode that made it abundantly clear to everyone. It’s interesting to me that the recent debate has been around how long Emma can continue to hold Killian at arm’s length and/or is she being mean to him when she deals with him from behind her walls, and now we suddenly have a situation where Emma’s walls seem to be GONE as far as Killian is concerned but now Killy is going to have issues. I think it is going to be great!!!
I really, really think that Emma is going to realize how just how much Killian has believed in her and loved her despite her flaws and the walls she put up when she finds out how ashamed he was of what happened during the missing year. Because I truly feel that Emma has finally accepted that she loves him. And I think that just like Killian has loved and accepted Emma regardless of the things she has done or the way she had treated him at times, she is going to love him no matter what happened – I think he has proven himself enough to her that she is going to understand WHY he made the choices he did, and she’s going to love him anyway – and that is going to blow him away!!!
I really think that is what CS needs. Killian is completely out of his element. He knows he used to be a good person hundreds of years ago and he desparately wants to be that person again but he needs someone to tell him that they believe in him. In the EF Ariel verbalized to him exactly what he is terrified of “you’re selfish and you’re heartless and that is what will bring you wasted years and endless torment. You’ll never be happy.” So far Emma has not been in an emotional place where she has been able to see what Killian needs and give him what he needs. Now she is. The tables are turned now. I think that Killian was successful in building up Emma and convincing her that she is strong, powerful, and loved. And now that she is able to let go of the past, I think that she is finally going to actually LOOK at Killian and SEE him. I think she will see HIS pain and his lack of confidence and I think she will recognize that SHE is the person that has to build him up.
So I’m thinking the whole reason they had Killian remind us about Cora trying to rip Emma’s heart out (love is weakness vs. Emma’s response “Love is strength”) is because they also showed us that Emma’s response to the bridge exercise was much more intense than Regina expected and then Emma WANTED to see Ariel and Eric in the mirror and looked at Killian before finding the power to do it. I think they are trying to show us that Emma has truely figured out – with Killian’s help of believing in her – that she is powerful and that she is able to maximize her powers through love. And I think she has secretly, at this point, figured out that the thing she needs to focus on to reach her power is Killian (“Love is strength”). I think that is why she suddenly started started calling him calling him Killian, why she wanted him to stay for dinner, why she told him she doesn’t care what he isn’t telling her, and why she said she is tired of living in the last. She has finally realized she loves him. I don’t think she is ready to admit that to anyone else yet. Unfortunately I do think might be ready to tell Killian, but of course we have Killy’s kissing curse to deal with now. Ugh. But I do think we were supposed to think about “Love is strength” for a reason. Emma and Killian are TL and I believe she uses him as the thought to bring about her powers – I don’t believe the WW’s curse is going to be strong enough to overcome that combination.
Up until this point, we have had Killian trying to convince Emma that SHE is worthy of love and that she is strong enough to save people. She has at many times not treated Killian very nicely but he loves her so much he didn’t care. Now I think the tables have turned. Now we need Emma to help Killian to see how “powerful” he is. Being the person who is able to unleash Emma’s powers is a very important thing. Being the man that Henry WANTS as a father figure is a very important thing. Being the man that her father thinks is good for her and likes to hang out with on his own is a very special thing. Being willing to sacrifice the one thing that you never thought you would have again after 300 years in order to protect the people you love is an incredibly selfless thing to do. We need Emma to help Hook get over his self loathing just like Belle has helped Rumple. Instead of Hook seeing himself as a threat to her magic he needs to understand that he is what makes her magic stronger – and what will, therefore allow them to defeat the WW.
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don’t think the WW understand that Emma’s power is fueled by her love for Killian. So what would REALLY happen if Emma and Killian kissed now that Killian has admitted that he loves Emma and now that Emma has admitted to herself that she loves Killian (at least I believes she has admitted it to herself). Would the curse work? Or would the whole “love is strength” thing destroy the kissing curse and make Emma’s power even stronger because they have sealed their love with a kiss??
Okay, I have to do my rewatch today because I was very confused about Zelena’s whole “curse” or whatever on Killy’s lips. But the good thing I did take away was that now Emma is going to be the pursuing Hook!! So yeah, my heart was completely broken for him for like the last, what, 10 minutes of the show. When he admitted that he loves Emma and then swore on her name my fan girl heart just died. Colin seriously killed that scene. And when he came running down the docks after “Ariel” because he regretted so badly what he had done . . . that was perfect.
I still think he got rid of the Jolly Roger. I just don’t think we have seen that part yet. This was the self-loathing episode and Colin nailed it.
But yeah, I also picked up on the season 1 Snowing parallels where the King told Snow she had to tell Charming she didn’t love him or he would kill him. Killian is in the exact same position.
Did anyone else notice that when Killy had already left the apartment and was out in the hall Emma called him “Killian” when they were out of earshot? I thought this was pretty great because it is the first time she has called him “Killian” for herself not for Henry but heartbreaking because I don’t think he felt worthy of her calling him that at the moment even thought at any time he would have given anything to hear her say it. So I think it was painful for him. And my poor pirate baby couldn’t even make eye contact with her.
So this is bad but GOOD because now Emma is the pursuer. I don’t think her walls are going back – I think she is going to confront him about lying and that’s how the “I love you’s” will come out. Plus if a time travel thing happens – is the kiss still cursed if they find a way to go back into time together as well? Because then Killy’s lips won’t have been cursed yet???
I thought this was a cool combination of Snowing and Rumbelle. Belle couldn’t kiss Rumple or his magic would be taken away. But there was a loophole because when he wasn’t Rumple she could kiss him – I wonder if there is a loophole for Killy too?
This witch is going down if I have kick her psychotic green butt myself.
No one emotionally destroys my Killy like that and gets away with it.
No. One.
I am also guessing that even though people in SB initially pointed a finger at Regina when trying to figure out who cast the most recent curse, Robin has heard from the Charmings, Emma, Hook, and Belle how Regina had already changed prior to the year they have forgotten. She did help everyone in Neverland and sacrificed her relationship with Henry in order to stop the curse the second time so people still remember that she has changed even if they don’t remember just how much she may have changed for the better during the missing year.
I had the feeling RH was actually just trying to figure her out and was kind of saying out loud what the whole premise of the show is for villains – they might be messed up but they aren’t really any different than we are, they have just felt they had to deal with life differently – whether they were right or wrong in that decision is where the problem comes into play.
So I don’t actually remember if she has interacted at all with Roland since everyone lost their memory, but RH would have heard that Regina sacrificed her relationship with her son and has probably seen how she has been upset about Henry. So that, coupled with what others have said about her growth in general, in probably enough to make him feel he can trust her around Roland.
