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I know. I read those same comments too and thought to myself that there are lot of people who need some serious help. They are either so mad that their ship isn’t the one that is sailing that they feel to write comments that are meant to try to irk the CS shippers or they are in such serious denial they can’t even see what is right in front of them ONLY when it comes to Emma’s romantic relationship with Hook because the exact same kind of body language, subtext, vocal inflections etc, with any other character – or with Emma and and other ship – seems to be crystal clear to them.
This is the first time I’ve ever gotten involved with message boards, etc. for a ship on a show so I don’t know if there are just a very special group of very immature, angry fans who really don’t like CS that feel the need to post negative stuff everywhere or if stuff like this happens with every show.
How incredibly negatively draining it must be to constantly be making negative comments about a show, character, and ship instead of having fun getting excited over ones you like!
[adrotate group="5"]I used to be a hospice nurse and the phrase “giving permission” is used a lot when it comes to the dying process. Family members often have to give permission for a person to die – otherwise they never let go of the feeling that they are needed here to care for the people they are leaving behind which can lead to a long and “lingering” death. Also people who are dying also feel the need to give the people they are leaving behind permission to do things they think that they will have difficulty doing unless they are specifically told it is okay to do so. Ex. Young spouses will often give permission for their spouse to remarry after they die fearing that if they don’t let them know they want them to be happy again they will feel guilty if they find someone they want to move on with. It really isn’t done as a “control” or can’t think for yourself type of thing at all, but something that is done to bring peace and closure to the relationship of a dying person and the people he or she is leaving behind. So I actually found the phrase very appropriate, especially given that Neal was “fighting” against Hook for a second chance with Emma and they kept saying that she needed to make a choice. From that perspective he was telling her that it is okay to move on from what they once had and that he now WANTS her to choose to be with someone else and get what he always wanted to have with her. He did it so she wouldn’t feel guilty about moving on from him – which is why he made her promise him that she and Henry would be happy.
Okay, I can’t seem to post a link (I’m on my iPad, I think that’s the problem), but you HAVE to go to
hellowherearemypeople tumblr
and read the meta on Hook’s Journey from Villain to Hero
It blew me away!!!
@Jenna_B You nailed the issue the issue of people not understanding body language, subtext, etc. I have never understood when people have said that Emma has never shown any interest in Hook because of the things she has SAID. Did none of these people ever do the exercise in school where the teacher had everyone say something like “excuse me” but she gave them different emotions with which to say it? Showing that words alone don’t convey what someone is feeling. Ever watched people on dates in a restaurant? My husband and I do this ALL THE TIME. You can’t hear their conversation so you can only go by body language but you can typically figure out on body alone: the first date, match.com date, married couple who is happily married and comfortable who hardly speaks, married couple on the brink of divorce of hardly speaks, dating couple who are heading toward marriage, etc. It’s a fun game to play. When I hear people say in the chat that Emma has never shown any interest it always makes me think of Temperance Brennan from “Bones” who takes everything so incredibly literally that it is almost ridiculous.
@Obisgirl Also perfect example with Buffy. I was a Buffy and Angel shipper and was so sad when they broke up. For while it completely changed the tone of the show for me but then I found that I really liked her with Spike and I got right back into the show all over again because I found their bantering back and forth so cute. But I never bashed the show, I just accepted that was what happened even if it wasn’t my personal choice.You know something that just occurred to me?
Killian is Emma’s best friend.
Emma doesn’t have friends. She moved from place to place her entire life. From foster home to foster home as a child and teenager. Then she moved from city to city and lived on her own as an adult. Mary Margaret was the closest thing to a friend she ever had but then she broke the curse and MM tried going all Mommy Snow on her and ruined the close “friendly” relationship they had.
Neal was never back long enough without “dying” for her to really establish any kind of relationship with him.
In her “fake” year I have the impression that Emma and Henry were very close but that Emma was very busy with work and being a mom, and her left over time was dating Walsh – which didn’t feel like a “deep” relationship to me.
The one person who she is consistently “with” – even if it’s a pattern of being flirty and then getting mad/annoyed/frustrated/scared/running away and coming back again – is Killian. And he has become the one person she listens too, looks to for advice, trusts her son with, shows her emotions too, etc. It might be because she doesn’t have many, but it doesn’t change the fact that Killian is Emma’s best friend.
My mom once asked me when I was a just a bit older than Emma and divorced from my first husband who my best friend was, since I lived far away from all my high school and college friends. When I thought about it I realized that my best friend was this guy I worked with even though it had never really occurred to me before. We worked together a lot on projects so we knew each other really well, he knew my capabilities and believed that I was really good at things, we joked around and had fun together, we could tell when we were each having a bad day and needing to just let the other person have space. We just kind of naturally ended up together in meetings and at conferences, etc. but I had never really considered that he was my best friend.
Then one day I did. Oh yeah, I ended up marrying my best friend.
I am reading through posts quickly.
Who said they think a big part of the problem is that SF folks didn’t prepare themselves for the fact that Neal was going to die?? I agree. Unless they were secretly preparing themselves, there was a lot of talk going around that Neal wasn’t dying and they were continuing to theorize about SF were True Love and minute SF details of how S3B was going to end.
I admit that as far as I could see the writing was on the wall for Neal, both on the show as well as with BTS info, but I had also mentally prepared myself for the chance that we were all completely wrong and they could be killing off Hook instead. I reminded myself how I originally fell in love with Rumbelle and how OQ was starting to look pretty darn appealing. And most of all I reminded myself that I originally loved the show before I shipped anyone. So if Hook was killed off I knew I would be disappointed but I also knew that I would still be able to find things I enjoyed on the show. But I DID mentally prepare myself for the possibility that it could be Hook and do admit to breathing a bit of a sigh of relief when Neal died and it wasn’t Hook – not that I was wanting ANY character to die.
But, seriously. For people’s sanity. Take a break. Netflix the heck out of some other show for awhile. Find some other couple on another show to ship like mad so it won’t be as painful to come back and watch. Then maybe you will find that you can enjoy the show all over again.
I totally agree POM. I don’t understand the “no happy endings” anymore either. I’ve seen people talking about this with the scenario of both children who have a parent die and biological parents who don’t end up together. To me, the more dangerous message the show can send is that you don’t get a happy ending if someone DOES die or if your biological parents DON’T end up together. I think the problem is in how people are interpreting the message the show is trying to send. I have seen several people say things like “well what I am taking away is that there is no happy ending for me because my parent died when I was a child or because my parents are divorced.” Honestly what they really are saying is that they aren’t happy because Neal died because really ( do they honestly think that the only way they can get validation that they can be happy is through a TV show, in the first place), but second do they really think A and E suddenly decided to change the message of the show being about hope and family?
I think it’s great that they are using Fairy Tales to show the realities of life and are showing that even when crappy things happen you can still get a happy ending. The problem is, some people don’t want to accept that Hook can be a happy ending for Emma and Henry. So because of that they say they don’t get one. Or they say that Neal didn’t get his happy ending. Okay, while I wasn’t thrilled with the bizarre way they handled his death, here is the problem I have with that theory. I know the show hasn’t really delved into the afterlife or religion but as a Christian myself, for me – going to Heaven IS a happy ending, it’s the ULTIMATE happy ending. And when Neal died he seemed to make it pretty clear that he was willingly sacrificing himself for his family (making him a hero) and freed Emma from her difficulty of moving on from him by making her promise to find Tallahassee with someone else. He also had very clearly made peace with his father and was letting BOTH of them know he was okay with dying. So to say that Neal didn’t get a happy ending is assuming a LOT. I realize that’s my interpretation and many people don’t believe in a God or Heaven so they won’t see it that way. But I feel like a lot of people are making themselves miserable by continuing to say that the show has been stripped of happiness. If they need to step away from the show for awhile – do it. Or recognize you are going to watch with a lot less enthusiasm if you choose to continue to watch. But choosing to continue to watch while complaining about the show makes zero sense to me. If you don’t like it anymore and it is causing you personal pain, why are you watching it???? I got a bit bored with the show during season 2 and stopped watching for awhile then get caught up again and got totally into it again. Maybe some SF fans need to consider a break. I feel bad that so many people who used to enjoy the show are so unhappy with it now but at the same time it’s a serious downer to read constant negativity about the show.
I don’t even understand how to use tumblr but I have been reading Captain Eala’s (wow do I miss her!!) because it is so much fun!!!
Yes, I’m sure the folks in the chat are right. What they cut out was the part where Hook and the wench are heavily making out/having the EF version of tavern alley phone sex before Hook decides to walk back into the tavern, go get some money, and come back out to repay her for “partial” services. Because that’s the kind prime time family show OUaT is.
How much do I LOVE Hook???? He doesn’t even THINK about it with the wench – just immediately sends her on her way. Keep in mind that at this point I am guessing he still believes he is never going to see Emma again. It is totally different for him this time around. He loved Milah but it is implied that after she died even though he was seeking revenge for her death and was still not “over” her he was screwing around with other women. With Emma though, even though he believes he is never going to see her again – he is remaining loyal to her because he knows that she is his True Love. That is one seriously devoted, honorable, and lovestruck pirate!!
@polythenepam I think I am starting to think something similar to your theory.
I think Hook has been very vague about his “missing” year because it was MAJOR, as in a major CHANGE for his character that he is afraid Emma might not be ready for yet (kind of like Henry kept telling her she wasn’t ready for things yet). And now that we have this new promo I think we know what it is.
What if Hook realizes he can’t just go back to being a pirate while missing Emma like crazy and decides that he needs to be with HIS family – Snow, Charming, heck even Regina now. And when he returns and is helping them he is Knighted by the Charmings or Regina before he goes off to find Emma. But he still had to wear his pirate garb for Emma because she only knows him as a pirate. And now NO ONE remembers that he was Knighted. So when he says that he knows that you can never go back to who you used to be he means that literally. He actually CAN’T because he is SIR Killian Jones now, he is no longer a pirate. He is literally her Knight in Shining Armor but he can’t tell her that – she has to literally figure it out on her own. I have the feeling it would be Charming who would Knight him and tell him to go get his daughter. Which after all the “You’ll never be anything but a pirate” comments from Charming would be the BEST Captain Charming moment ever!! But it would also be basically a blessing from Charming to court/marry Emma (which could explain Charming’s dream of Emma in the gown). Which means that Hook can’t just spring on memory loss Snowing that they Knighted him and told him to go get their daughter. But it also explains that, aside from the fact that he would do it anyway because he loves them, he is protecting the heck out of Emma and Henry – just like a loyal Knight would. I wonder if what might happen in the next episode is that Hook will get hurt trying to protect Henry but he will be okay. Henry will fill Emma in on how he protected him and then she will get enough of the missing year story to find out about the Jolly Roger that she will think she’s getting the whole story (but we will get all of it). That could lead to her realizing she does actually “like” him and they could end up kind of being an item while they are fighting the WW. But then when everyone gets their memories back I think Charming will tell her the whole story thinking that Hook must have already told her and she will realize everything he has done for her and that he allowed her to realize on her own that she actually loves him. Then the “blocked ” moment could be them kissing after she tells him that she knows he is really her Knight in Shining Armor – in an Emma Swan way of course, she isn’t rainbow stickers and unicorn kisses Snow afterall. It would almost be a reverse Princess Bride Moment. Instead of having Pirate Wesley trying to hint to Buttercup who he really is Emma could hint around to Pirate Hook that she actually knows he is really a Knight. Bonus if we get a third “As you wish.”
