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From reading one of the A and E interviews from today I get the feeling the way they are going to handle the CS relationship is to let it just continue to happen naturally the way it has been so far during 3B where people have been tagging gifs with things like #already married. In other words, they aren’t even going to really verbally address it – it’s just to be that they are going to realize that they are in a relationship without even knowing it – because they really already are. They are already a team, they read each other like an open book, they can talk to each other with their eyes, etc. Now I think they are going to really bond over Neals death and their concern over Henry, and I think Hook is going to step into a father figure role to Henry more for Neal than for Emma. So I don’t think the romantic element is going to be rushed at all. I think something will still happen that will require a TLK and that will be the moment either Emma acknowledges she loves Hook, or Hook finds out that the kiss he tried only didn’t work because Emma didn’t have her memories.
[adrotate group="5"]I don’t think that’s right either. Like I said before, if Hook was killed off I would really have to force myself to continue watching the show but I fell in love with OUaT before I started shipping any of the couples or had a favorite character so I WOULD make myself keep watching. I know that eventually I would get into it again and would find a new couple to probably ship.
I’m sure I will end up hurting any SF shippers who read this, I don’t mean to but I’m sure I will. We’ve talked a lot about how we often feel like we are watching a completely different show than the SF shippers because we don’t see any of the same things that they see when it comes to a romantic relationship between Emma and Neal, or Neal being much more than a plot device. I think this is especially hard right now. I honestly still feel that there was nothing in the show that was ever done to make anyone think that Neal and Emma were going to end up together and I still don’t feel that Neal’s character was ever developed at all. I think all things Neal really took place back when he was Bae or when it was shown what he did to make Emma so closed off and emotionally scarred. So to me having Neal die was emotional because it was acted well and it was Henry’s dad, Rumple’s son, Emma’s ex, etc. but it didn’t really CHANGE anything that was currently happening or that was going to happen. But because the SF shippers seemed to see all this stuff that we just never saw, his death is something that has such a MAJOR impact on the show and has COMPLETELY changed what they thought was already happening and what was going to happen that OUaT isn’t even the same show anymore. That is really sad to me but I still don’t think it’s right to boycott the show because, quite honestly, I still don’t see how anyone could believe that Neal was a major character on the show. I think the IDEA of Neal might have been a major character but Neal himself was not. And I think that the SF shippers might have been shipping the IDEA of Neal with Emma not the actual character that A and E had created with her. So much of what they talked about was the relationship that they had back when Emma was 17 – that relationship didn’t exist anymore. And there was talk of hope and family – but they were NEVER going to have a happy little family because of Henry’s messed up family tree/past adoption/sharing with Regina/what about when Regina gets married situation anyway. And hope for what exactly? That you can get back together with your ex-boyfriend?? Why does hope only mean going BACK to something and not TOWARD something? So I thing a lot of the shock is from seeing things that just were not there.
Now, I completely agree that the death was handled way to abruptly. No Neal at all, then he is back for an episode, then he dies in a really weird way saying he FINALLY understands what it means to sacrifice???
But I don’t like that people are trying to get together a boycott. And these are the same people who complain that A and E only do things to make the fandom happy and that they should tell their story and not listen to the fans. Yet when they don’t get what they want they are boycotting now??
I feel really bad for how hard the SF folks are taking this. I know I would have been DEVASTATED if Hook had been the one to die. I know these are all fictional characters but we all get so emotionally attached to them – it feels very real to them right now. I wish there was something I could do to make them feel better but I guess just staying out of their way so they can grieve together is the best thing to do.
I really hope they don’t stop watching the show. I know a lot of them are also Rumbelle fans so I hope they will be able to find fun in that ship again, or maybe OQ will give them a new ship to enjoy. I know it is really hard for them to even consider finding any joy in the show anymore. I have to admit – if Hook died I would have to force myself to continue to watch the show because my heart wouldn’t be into it anymore.
Anyway, didn’t want to be a total downer but I just feel really bad for the Neal fans right now – kind of helpless, you know?
I don’t think Neal’s death does anything negative to CS, in fact I think it will make them stronger. In the past, prior to her fake memories, EVERYTHING about NEAL made Emma weak and scared, but if you noticed she was NEVER once nervous or scared hearing about Neal being back, she was confident and comfortable talking to him, but she was also not at all acting unsure of whether she wanted to be with him – it was quite clear she was no longer emotionally needy with him the way she used to be – if she was she never would have been able to do what HAD to be done knowing it would result in his death. I actually think that was the reason A and E chose to go the route they did. Snow has said before that she couldn’t go on if Charming died because they are TL. How much clearer could A and E have been making it that Neal was never Emma’s TL than for her to actually be the one who ultimately who KILLS him? You don’t willingly kill your TL, they did it to prove that when Emma realizes Hook is her TL it isn’t just because Neal is dead – which is what a lot of people are going to say. This is also why a lot of people don’t like the way Neal died. They believe SF were TL so the way he died makes no sense to them – it’s never going to if you actually ever believed they were TL. I think the way he died does give Emma a great amount of respect for Neal though that wasn’t there either before or after her fake memories that will trump what he did to her when they were younger. So I think it helps her with her walls in regard to Neal – like so can completely and totally move on from him now.
And I think his DEATH made her stronger. She said in the Echo Cave in a WAY that she was hoping he was dead but when she told Henry his father was dead and that she was going to find the person who did it there was a strength to her as the Savior that hasn’t been there for awhile. His death has given her a PURPOSE as the Savior again. I think these are all good things for CS.
I think that Hook and Emma will both be mourning and bonding over Neal’s death AGAIN but in a different way this time since they BOTH had a chance to reconcile their relationships with him before he died and he isn’t part of Emma’s wall anymore.
Okay, I’m gonna have to try to post the Jolly Roger pictures tomorrow. It says the file is too big when I try to attach and when I try to copy it comes out as this ENORMOUS pictures of only the side of the picture. Hoping my hubby can help me tomorrow.
I promise I don’t mean this the way it’s going to sound but . . . I’m so glad that’s over. The whole “spoiler of doom” was getting so painful to deal with. I honestly don’t mean it in a way to cause pain to any of the SF shippers because I would be MISERABLE right now if Hook had died, but I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders.
I think they way they did it was weird – as in abrupt. Like, no Neal at all then suddenly he’s back and then he dies. I did love that we got our CaptainFire moment (honestly, that has meant more to me than ANY CS moment so far – it was a DADDY KILLIAN moment and it killed me!!). I had actually wondered if Emma was going to have to kill him based on the promo but not because of they way it ended up. I will have to think about this a bit – they way they did it is growing on me (I know the SF shippers won’t like that and I don’t blame them). It wouldn’t have been my first choice but it gave Emma complete control over how her relationship with Neal ended and they BOTH agreed on how it had to end – and even Gold was there for it. And at the end of the day Emma knew it needed to be done to protect Henry and everyone else. I think it was weak on the whole “It’s my turn to sacrifice this time, Papa” thing, though” like, way too abrupt for it to even feel like a sacrifice because I hardly had anytime to even process what had been done yet.
But I do think they set it up nicely for Hook to take over as the father figure in Henry’s life. Which will be interesting once Henry gets his memories back and realizes his dad died and was buried without his knowledge. But now Hook can “raise” Henry being confortable with the fact that he and Bae “made up” before he died.
Oh my. I actually wondered if Emma would have to kill him but I didn’t imagine it like that. That was weird, heartbreaking, but weird
Awwww!!! I’m. gonna cry!! Best Hook moment ever!! And Bae called him Killian!! My heart just broke!!
Does anyone else find it especially creepy when she touches Snow’s “tummy” knowing that Ginny is ACTUALLY pregnant?? It makes my skin crawl!!
