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if its neal that dies do you think henry will be mad at emma for not telling him sooner who his dad was(its really his great grandfather’s fault for what happened with neal leaving emma) so they could’ve spent more time together and because of his memory loss he might be mad because he didn’t get to say goodbye to neal the right way
Regardless of whether the death is Neal or not – so far Henry’s memories have been handled very differently than I expected. From the spoilers we were given I had the impression Emma was purposely keeping Henry from getting back his memories – not that there wasn’t enough memory potion for him to get them back. I think this puts her in a completely different situation if the death IS Neal.
At this point there really isn’t anything she can do except to keep Henry in the dark about everything. It is pointless to try to explain to him who everyone is because not only would she have to get him to believe they are all fairy tale characters but she would also gave to try to get him to believe that he was raised by the Evil Queen and actually lived in SB for 11 years. I actually think it makes more sense for her to just wait to try to get a memory potion so he remembers it all.
As far as Neal goes – that’s also tricky because right now no one knows where he is and Henry won’t have any memory of the time he spent with him. So unfortunately the only knowledge he has of his father is as a “sperm donor” who abandoned his mother. So if Neal does show up do you think that he is going to be excited to meet and get to know him without his memories back?? I think poor Emma is in a terrible position here.
With that said, if it is Neal who dies I think it will SUCK if they kill him off before Henry gets his memories back. It seems like they will have two extremely traumatized characters left behind after his death – Rumple and Henry, and I really don’t see how they take care of that issue without massive problems for their relationships. And I don’t really think a season of Rumple having to be on suicide watch and Henry needing more psychotherapy sounds like one I would be looking forward to.
[adrotate group="5"]Just an FYI for anyone else who was having problems with March Madness . . .
I was as well but I have been voting like crazy for the past hour and it has been working just fine for all the Once couples for me now.
CS is still at 49% though.
I would love it if we somehow end up with a situation where everyone can go back and forth from the EF to SB whenever they want. Like when winter is especially bad in SB, everyone spends a few months in the EF.
The cutest thing ever would be to see Emma and Hook helping each other figure out how to get used to each other’s “realm” – from the clothes they should wear and the food they eat, to dealing with electronics and the lack of indoor plumbing. Figuring out the popular music and entertainment, modes of transportation, slang and figures of speech. Both having to get used to the fact that Emma is royalty is the EF (would they live in the castle as well??); which I guess means that Hook becomes royalty if they do end up getting married on day.
They have so many amazing possibilities.
I’m not sure what I think about the wedding.
I really want to see the development of the CS dating relationship not be rushed into season 3B while they are doing nothing but trying to figure out the whole WW/curse thing. But then again, we got all of Snowing in brief EF flashbacks during season 1 and they really had ZERO dating at ALL. So if they stay consistent with their Snowing/CS parallels, it actually makes sense for CS NOT to have any kind of true dating life and to just go from adventure straight to marriage.
One way I could see them going with this is to focus a bit more on Hook’s past leading up to the suddenness of a wedding. If one of them is cursed or near death (which I am guessing will happen so we get our TLK) it could make Hook think about how he loved Milah but never married her but was still destroyed when she died – yet he loves Emma ten thousand times more than Milah and realizes that he doesn’t want to ever regret making the same mistake with her now having confirmation that they are True Love. And I’m guessing that aside from Emma admitting that Hook is her True Love she is going to realize that he is also her HOME – which she has NEVER had before: not with her parents (even after she found them because she still felt like an orphan), not with any of her foster families, not with Neal who abandoned her and never came back, not with Walsh who she WAS going to marry but ended up being a flying monkey. The only home she ever had was a fake one for the year with Henry in which he even gave her the speech about needing to trust that not all guys are going to be like his dad and that they would still be okay as a family of three instead of just two. Once she realizes all of that I could see her deciding that marrying Hook would give her what she has been looking for.
I volunteer to root around in Hook’s drawers.
um., I hate to break it to you, but he doesn’t really look like a guy who would wear any. Sorry
Even better!
so when Hook was telling his story of the little birdie bringing the note… he said that he was sailing the realms… as in other kingdoms or other worlds? so if its other worlds how was he world hopping and if he was just in FTL and just sailing about the different kingdoms – how did he get to our world. And were the heck is the JR? sitting next to the Intrepid. Maybe he could disguise it down at the South Street Seaport – but someone is going to be looking to tour that sucker and will be rooting around in his drawers.
I need the Katnis “I volunteer” gif.
I volunteer to root around in Hook’s drawers.
This is a well thought out meta/theory http://oncecrazy.tumblr.com/post/80044268587/how-the-writers-perfectly-outlined-that-emma-and-hook Not sure I buy into it just yet, but it is food for thought
This is interesting because individually I agree with just about everything that is said. I just don’t know that I see them rushing a CS wedding that quickly.
Maybe since the theme of 3B is “Home” it could be that if she figures out that Hook is her home she realizes that means she WANTS the whole marriage, family life with him by the end of the season. I don’t know I guess it depends on exactly what happens the rest of the season. If our predictions about the spoiler of doom are correct and people are thought to be dead or being seriously harmed left and right, if Hook is seriously injured and she thinks she is going to lose him, maybe I could see it happening. I don’t know – it still seems like a stretch for me.
Personally I would like to see them figure out that they are True Love but then have to work with that in a non-Fairy Tale world. Like in the world you don’t just meet your True Love and get married the next day. I want to see them still learning about each other in a normal way, not just in crisis mode all the time. It would be fun to see Hook figuring out the real world while attempting to date Emma and/or Emma figuring out the EF while attempting to date Hook – it would be super cute to see them trying to teach each other about their “own” realm and helping them to assimilate.
I know other people have talked about this as well but I would kind of like a season where there isn’t some major villain everyone is fighting or a major curse that has to be broken. It would be nice to just have a season with episodes of daily life. Maybe small things like what would happen if people from the real world could suddenly move into SB? How would they keep themselves a secret? Would they keep themselves a secret or would they eventually let those people know who they really are. I would LOVE that Thanksgiving that David said would suck. Henry going through normal teenage stuff as a not-so-normal teenager because of who all his relatives and friends are. And what exactly is your life like as you grow up when you are a 12 year old prince from the real world? What if Henry starts to date someone who moves to SB from the real world and doesn’t know who everyone is?
Snow and Charming – could they have marriage problems? I wouldn’t want a soap opera but what if Prince Charming was tempted to cheat because Snow White was paying too much attention to the baby and not enough attention to him. How would Snow White and Prince Charming handle something like that??
The possibilities are endless. You can still add in some short term adventure/mystery/shocker type things but a season of just focusing more on daily life would be great. I really want to see Hook and Emma realize they are True Love but do all the normal real world dating stuff too.
Oh, I hope her kick-butt EF outfit is something like the pirate version of what Snow wears!! Please, please, please!!! This is so what I have had in my mind for when Emma finally gets to the EF: she is concerned because she knows she isn’t the ball gown type of girl but then Snow points out that she rarely wore ball gowns on a daily basis – only for special occasions. So Snow tells her she just needs to discover who she is in the EF just like she figured out who she was in SB and that will help her decide what she will she will be comfortable wearing in the EF. Then flash-forward and next scene we see everyone shocked except Henry, Snow, and Daddy Charming when Emma appears in the pirate version of what Snow wears in the EF. And then Hook sees her and we get the eyebrow smirk . . .
Yep, my theory on why the older crew tend to be CS shippers is because we are farther away from our teenage first loves and realize how much we have changed in the years since we dated our first loves. So the concept of Emma getting back together with Neal is literally something we see her going “back” to. We have probably dated more and had more relationships and/or married since those first loves and are able to see that first loves are just that, “first” loves – not necessarily what is best for you, not what is necessarily your best option, and not necessarily who your true love will be.
I also think that parents are drawn more to CS because we look at what happened to Emma from both an individual as well as a parenting perspective. Individually, we can look back and see some mistakes we made as teenagers that we cringe at as adults. But as parents we look at the things Emma was doing with Neal and the situation she was left in and say that she was emotionally scared from that experience but has come a long way – why take the chance on the same thing happening again. As parents we don’t look at Neal and say it is excusable that he left her in prison pregnant because he didn’t know and thought he was doing the best thing for her. We don’t look at him and say it is ok that he didn’t come back when he found out the curse was broken because he was worried about what she would think about him. As parents we don’t say it is acceptable that he remained engaged to Tamara when Emma found him again even though he said he still loved her and wants to fight for her. As parents we say none of those things add up to anybody who is worthy of my child – and I wouldn’t do anything to encourage her to think otherwise. Because of that I don’t see a reason for an adult woman (keep in mind Emma is almost 30) to go “back” to this person she was with for a brief time when she was 17 as opposed to seeing who is out there that IS worthy of her.
@obisgirl I was just thinking the same thing.
I am also puzzled about the way some people are annoyed that it sounds as if Hook will be bonding with Henry considering that the kid is related in someway to the entire town so tossing another “relative” into the bunch isn’t like it’s suddenly going to traumatized him or diminish the fact that he has actual biological parents. And the people who tend to be the most vocal about disliking that a Hook is bonding with Henry also tend to be the ones that love that Emma and Regina have been working together to paren Henry. So I don’t see how it’s just fine that Henry has two mothers that love him but he can only have one father figure. These same people also love the idea of Outlaw Queen which means that Henry is going to get a step-father on a THAT side of the family tree as well. So really we all know that it just comes down to the fact that it is their hatred of Hook they have a problem with.
And yes, as a divorced mom who has remarried whose husband is now raising my son as his own I can tell you that when kids figure out what happened in a divorce it does change the dynamic of the parent-child relationship. It doesn’t destroy it, but it does change it. So I do think there is going to be a difference in the relationship that Henry would have with Neal. But to be realistic we need to keep in mind just how much time Henry has actually known about Neal being his father and has spent with him. SF folks would have believe that Henry’s dying wish is for his biological parents to get back together so he can be a family with them. I just don’t know that I believe that. At the end of 3A Henry expressed regret that he even went and searched for Emma because if he hadn’t and had just believed that Regina did love him he wouldn’t have to be separated from Regina. I thought it was interesting when he was speaking to Regina at that point that he called Emma “Emma” and Regina his “Mom.” At the end of the day Henry was still raised by Regina and Emma and Neal are still just the birth parents that he found and has spent very little time with. Just like Emma found Snow and Charming but in reality that didn’t change the fact that she was an orphan.
So now Henry will have had a year with Emma alone to bond with her and a lifetime of false memories with her, but he will still only have a very limited time with Neal. I still don’t see anywhere in either scenario (pre or post memory loss) where Henry has any incentive or desire to want his biological parents to get back together so he can live with them as a family. Maybe at the very beginning of the show when he still thought Regina was the evil Queen he might have THOUGHT that was what he wanted but I seriously doubt that is what he wants now. I don’t know why anyone who understands that Henry loves Regina could even think that’s what he wants.
I think even when Henry gets his memory back he is going to still want what he said he wanted for Emma in NYC – for her to be happy. But I also think he is going to be protective of his mom just like any boy that age is (and I speak from experience here) when it comes to an “ex” situation. They don’t like that someone did something to hurt their mom – even if it is their dad, even if they still WANT to have a relationship with their dad. There are some things that are just off limits and hurting mom, even emotionally is one of them. So knowing that the reason his mom has trust issues and difficulty with relationships is because of Neal is going to be a problem for Henry. He isn’t going to want to see his mom hurt again. And for kids of divorce, they learn VERY quickly that actions speak louder than words. So when Henry finds out what really happened and that he had multiple chances to come back and get his mom but didn’t, that isn’t going to make him happy. Plus he is going to see Hook there being the kind of guy his mom needs and I think he will be helping his mom see that Hook is the right choice.
