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I think they are doing it on purpose because, unlike for us crazy people who follow every single thing that happens in Once world, Rumple is supposed to be dead. As far as the characters (and average fan of the show is concerned) Rumple was dead until we saw him at the end of 313. So they were purposely NOT mentioning him, except for Belle and Neal planting the seed that he could possibly be alive, so it would be a shocker when we saw that he IS actually alive.
Remember for the characters in SB they are super messed up right now and thought they watched Rumple die, were going to lose Emma and Henry, had to back to the EF, but then . . . didn’t . . . but they guess they did since Snow is pregnant . . . but people are missing . . .
So they are more concerned with trying to figure out what happened to the people who they know were ALIVE than the the one they thought was dead. Then add in that flying monkeys swoop in . . . and people turn into flying monkeys . . .which leads them to understand the WWW has cursed them, which doesn’t seem to have anything to do with any of them, including Rumple as far as they know.
Regina and Emma spent a good period of 3A focusing on how they are able to work together to use their magic to accomplish powerful things so it doesn’t surprise me that they wouldn’t feel like they need Rumple. He and Regina always were competing over who was more powerful and he did train Emma a bit as well.
Personally I LOVE Robert when he plays the EF version of Rumple so whether Rumple is really nutso or just pretending doesn’t really concern me – I just love to watch the man get to do some serious acting!! But I do have the feeling he was either acting act his alter ego making a statement on how wacked the WWW is and we were SUPPOSED to think he was crazy or he is pretending to be crazy in order to help everyone out from the inside while Neal is helping out as the hooded figure from SB.
But I wouldn’t count the rest of the season out. One thing I have figured out is, unlike other shows, because Once is a fantasy, each season (or sub season now) tends to have a much more pronounced feel to it compared to other shows – and if you try to watch it the same way you do any other show it doesn’t really work. The vast majority of episodes on this show contain info on characters that will be important down the line, maybe not until the next season, but it will be important. So sometimes when you get frustrated with an episode or you watch an episode and think “I don’t get it, that didn’t do ANYTHING at ALL for the plot” you just have to sit back and wait. And since A and E have already said that they have a “theme” for each season or subseason you always have to keep in mind that the reason the are doing (or not doing) something is because they are trying to drive a point home about their theme when they wrap up the season.
So far I like 3B because more than any of the other seasons it has made me think DURING the show (not just in between episodes when we are hunting for spoilers) what the heck is going on?? Which is impressive because that is EXACTLY what they WANT you to be thinking because that is exactly what the CHARACTERS are thinking. In the past we knew in advance what was happening and we watched the characters figure it. The new form of storytelling, as far as I can tell, is that we are figuring it out at the same the characters are – but we seem to be learning some things a step before them from flashbacks to the EF in the same episode. That is kind of what gives it the “what the heck is going on?” element. You learn something in the EF, then are left hanging in the EF while you learn something in SB. It’s actually quite brilliant because it is so frustrating. Exactly how it would be if you have no memories of your time in the EF or you’re Emma and have no memories of the year in the EF or SB, everything has to be pieced together and joined together in order to make sense and figure out what is happening.
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http://melanieexox.tumblr.com/page/4 Did anyone else find this extremely funny? Yep. This was my favorite part of the whole show. Two things. First, Hook is not so subtly teasing her about the fact that she really should NOT be considering marrying anyone but Him. Second, not only does Hook get on her about it but then her DAD jumps on the bandwagon as well.
And of course, even though Hook says other wise, for BOTH he and Daddy Charming the issue is NOT that it was a monster – the issue is that Emma was going to marry someone . . . who isn’t Hook, since Hook and David are on the same page about who she should be with.
I posted my theory of what I think is going on with Neal right now under the 314 spoilers in the promos – I have no idea how to put the link here. I think that is what is going to lead to the spoiler of doom. It will be a self-sacrifice so Henry won’t have to live with it the way he did.
I agree with the misdirection and right now they are misdirecting us to think that Neal is a flying monkey too. Here is my theory based upon the promo and some things JMo has said.
Neal has either become the new DO or some kind of DO-like “thing” but not in the completely evil way Rumple was. He went off with Bell to save Rumple/Emma/Henry and as he considered using Dark Magic (too parallel what Rumple did to find him) something happened and he became “like” his father. He, however, realizes his mistake.
JMo has been talking about the respect Hook and Neal have for each other and how they are friends. Huh? We have wanted to see that happen but haven’t seen it yet. I think Neal recognizes that in whatever form he is currently in HE can’t get to Emma/Henry or save the town so he communicates with Hook and tells HIM to get Emma. This is why Hook’s story is changing. Hook and Neal are working together and have latched things up, Hook knows what has gone on but also knows that Neal has some serious creepy issues going on that make him kind of dangerous which is why he has to stay away from everyone. I think Neal might have been in NYC but couldn’t reveal himself because he looks weird now like kind of DO-ish?? Hence the hood. Emma is going to figure out Hook is lying about what he knows about Neal ( in the promo “What aren’t you telling me?).
I think Neal and Rumple are actually working together to mess with the WW. I think the WW may THINK she is controlling Rumple with the DO dagger but what if Rumple is just playing along in order to protect Bae?? That would allow Bae to get to SB and try to help out in secret with Hook working for him from inside SB and Rumple working from inside with the WW. If Bae isn’t as Dark as Rumple was the dagger might not exert as much influence over him as it did Rumple because Neal never WANTED power – he just wanted to find a way back to his family.
The problem with Neal for me is that he is continually shows just how much like his father is really is, which results in him making very bad choices that affect Emma. Just like I have never questioned that Rumple loved Bae, I do think Neal loves Emma, but that doesn’t mean that Rumple made the right choices when it came to Bae versus his power. Even though Rumple loved Bae he was all about power. I think it is very much the same with Neal – even though he loves Emma, he has always been about self preservation and self-protection. Rumple always told Bae that he loved him and only wanted what was best for him, just like Neal has told Emma that he loved her and only wanted to do what he thought was right for her. When Rumple had the chance to go into the portal to the land without magic with Bae, he panicked because of his past history with his father and sacrificed his son instead. Similarly, when Neal received the broken postcard he could have gone to get Emma but instead he panicked because of his past history with his father and decided to protect himself instead. Just like his father, Neal is very well intentioned but is just not able to follow through.
There’s an analogy I always use with people that I think works really well with Neal. Let’s say you accidentally hit someone with your car and injure them. If you apologize for hitting them does that make the pain or the broken bones go away? No. If you tell them you didn’t MEAN to hit them does that make the pain and broken bones go away? No. If you tell them that it wasn’t your fault that you hit them because someone distracted you and you made a bad decision to look away from the road for a second does that make the pain and injury go away? No. There is NOTHING anyone can SAY that will make the pain and injury go away. The only thing that will help the pain and injury is time and the right kind of treatment.
I feel like this is Neal’s problem on the show. He keeps trying to find things to SAY to Emma to make up for the fact that he hit her with his car. Now it might not have been entirely his fault that he hit her with his car, but she was still left with the pain and injury. And if he can just find the RIGHT words than he will either convince her it wasn’t his fault or his words will make the pain and injury go away.
The difference with Hook is that he heard that Emma got hit by a car but that she never went to get treatment for her pain and injury. So even though he isn’t the one that hit her with his car, he is the one who is treating her injury and helping her take time to heal. He’s the one who is trying to find different treatments that make the pain subside. He’s like Emma’s first aid kit. He’s always there when she needs him, even when she doesn’t realize she does need him. She looks to him for advice in Neverland, she trusts him enough to drink the memory potion, she trusts him with Henry – her prized “possession”, she now knows that he will always come back for her, she starts to get concerned about something and he is able to say something to immediately ease her concerns.
Hook instinctually knows how to be what Emma needs him to be, all the time, no matter what the situation. And it is literally instinct for him to just do it – he doesn’t have to think about it, it just happens. Whereas Neal talks about what he SHOULD have done – but didn’t, what he needs to do – but doesn’t, what he will do – but won’t. He just isn’t capable of it.
I’m pretty sure they keep Hook’s vocabulary porn in the show because in the original Captain Hook story he WAS extremely smart – he was educated at Eton. So Hook might be a pirate but even when he is being Captain innuendo, there is still a part of his long ago, proper upbringing shinning through!
Love the CS meta. It makes great points.
One thing I think is interesting about the show is how it is about fairy tales but at the same times, every thing A and E has done has shown us that fairy tales DO NOT exist. Because what they have shown us is that the fairy tales we thought we knew were WRONG – those people’s lives were just as bad as reality can be. So I think A and E are actually trying to redefine what a happy ending actually means.
This is the big problem I have with the argument of why SF should end up together. It just doesn’t make sense to me. In a “fairy tale” maybe you could get away with it but in reality, there is just no way that relationship could ever work. So to me, Emma’s happy ending is her coming to understand that things she always dreamed about having as a child (kind of like the fairy tale life lots of wanted as kids) just isn’t going to happen but that is okay because life can be so much better than the fairy tale dream version. That’s basically exactly what the meta was saying.
Hook is the unexpected life that is standing right in front of her that is definately NOT what she was expecting but is the reality that will make her the happiest in the end. After she beat Monkey Man and said that realized what she thought she had and what she wanted she could never had, I think she is actually now realizing she will never have the fairy tale life she was hoping for – she is accepting her life is going to be different and that’s just the way it is, she will probably have to mourn that a bit before she is able to see that Hook is her home. But she is definately farther along than she was in 3A when she was still denying who she really was.
I should clarify that when I talk about TLK I am not talking about how this new curse will be broken. I honestly don’t think the curse will be broken with a kiss. That was done before and seems too obvious to me – I think it will be something much bigger this time around and it will probably require several of them working together to break it.
I think TLK will happen strictly with Emma and Hook when one of them is injured by a curse as a result of something that happens trying to defeat the WW.
Hey all. I am trying but CS is down to 49%. I have the feeling people are purposely trying to get CS out of the running because all the other OUaT couples are still up. So if anyone has time, can you help out??
Sneak Peek #2 is up…
Hook’s face when Emma asks where Neal is. Poor Hook
I know, my poor Pirate!!!
I think a lot of 3B is going to be us seeing poor Hook reacting to things based upon his attempt at TLK not working. And because he thinks it didn’t work (not that it COULDN’T work) I think he assumes that Neal must be Emma’s True Love. But I think he is going to be torn a lot of the rest of the season. He loves Emma too much to give up (he does realize that she is HIS True Love after all and I think he knows that she does have some kind of feelings for him – think this is where he is going to be very confused) but at the same time, because he loves her so much (and because of his history with Bae) he is also going to want to make sure he does everything within his power to ensure her happiness – which I have the feeling he is going to think means getting Neal back to her. I think he is going to be a jumble of conflict in 3B because on top of all this I think he and Emma are going to end up getting like best-friend-close working together (which WE know is a good thing but he is going to think is painful but the only way he can be around her, and the best he is ever going to get).
This is why I am torn about how the TLK is going to work in the end. I know most people think that Emma is the one who is going to be saving Hook with TLK because it parallels the Season 1 Finale and I can see why that makes sense but I actually thinks it is more dramatic if Hook is the one who saves Emma. If we go all of 3B with Hook thinking that TLK didn’t work because he ISN’T Emma’s True Love and then something happens to Emma that requires TLK to save her, it is much more dramatic for Hook to think that someone else has to save her or that no one can save her (because the required person is dead) and then find out at the last second from Charming that his first attempt at TLK didn’t work because Emma didn’t know who he was. I think it would be cool to have Daddy Charming have already figured out that Hook is Emma’s True Love and have to explain that TLK didn’t work for him and Snow when Snow lost her memories and then have to convince a horrifically despondent Hook (who thinks he is losing the woman he loves for the second time) to give it another shot to save Emma because he is convinced he is his daughter’s True Love.
