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I think Neal had a 3rd chance already in regards to Emma. 1st time when he left Emma in jail.
2nd time he choose Tamara over Emma.
3rd time he tried in SB As far as I am concern I am done with Neal.Lol, I am going to edit this
1)When he left Emma in jail
2)When he never attempted to fix Emma being in jail
3)When he never came for her after she got out of jail (1 year later by the way, guess who was looking for Emma for a year??)
4)When August said he was going to SB to help Emma believe
5)When he got the postcard
6)When he brought Tamara to SB
7)When he defended Tamara over Emma
8)When he didn’t tell Emma he loved her in 3×06 (or 3×07, 08,09,10,11) (so actually that’s technically 6 missed chances in one?)
9)When he asked Emma for a lunch date in 3×10 (an ultimatum too, when he says “I won’t bother you again”)
10)When he didn’t come to find Emma in 3×11
So yeah Neal has had all his chances as far as I’m concerned.
Not much fighting there.So yeah, by default Happy Endings, YOU SHIP CS!!! WELCOME!
YAY!! Are you a reformed SF? Or just one who hadn’t decided yet, HE? I can’t remember.
[adrotate group="5"]So I have this crack theory about Neal that I don’t think the SF shippers would be too happy with but I have been thinking about ever since I saw him in his new wardrobe in the EF and then it was kind if reaffirmed when they released his official poster.
What if Neal’s “Believe in 2nd Chances” poster actually refers to his life in the EF as Bae?
As Bae, after Rumple became the DO, he made it very clear that he didn’t like his dad’s use of magic and desire for power and he went on a quest to find a way to cure his dad of his curse. That “cure” was to take them to a land without magic.
Fast forward to his life as Neal, the next time we see him. He’s a thief, poor, basically living on the streets, on the run from the cops. We don’t know about the Darlings or NL yet.
Fast forward again to when we discover that Neal is Bae living in NYC. He isn’t living in the best of apartments. He has a huge chip on his should insisting people call him Neal and not Bae, he makes it clear he hates his father and magic. We discover the reason he left Emma is because the EF (in the form of August-Pinocchio) caught up with him and knew who he really was which he obviously was not happy about.
Fast forward again, we discover that the great fiancé and life he thinks he has in NYC is all a set up and that Tamara is working for Pan. We also find out about his time with the Darlings and that he spent a horrible time on NL (although we still don’t have all the details). We find out that Pan orchestrated Bae’s release from NL so that he would meet Emma so Henry would be born.
All of this happened because Bae chose to summon that Sneaky Blue Fairy and leave the EF to go to a Land without Magic to cure his father of his curse.
My crack theory is that Bae never should have left the EF. He blames the EF forest for his misery in life because magic exists in the EF, but LEAVING the EF is what really caused his life to be miserable. Bea’s second chance is returning to the EF where he belong’s. Bae’s TL has never been Emma – there whole relationship was orchestrated by Pan. If Bae was never supposed to leave the EF, he True Love is still IN the EF.
Now that Bae has spent time in other places and is being sent back to the EF, he has a 2nd chance to see what life is really like there – without being clouded by the judgement of a pre-teen who feels like his father is choosing power and magic over him. He has the opportunity to act like a Fairy Tale hero himself.
I am wondering if one of the reasons Hook is sent back for Emma and not Neal is that Neal needs to accomplish something in the EF in order to get his 2nd chance. It could even be his 2nd chance to rescue his father in the EF since he was unsuccessful the first time.
I wouldn’t worry too much about Colin not tweeting during the midseason finale. I don’t think we have had any reports of him filming since then and even though he moved his wife and son to Vancouver, I would guess they are going back to Ireland for Christmas. This is Evan’s first Christmas and I imagine both sets of grandparents would be crushed not to be able to see their grand baby for his first Christmas. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he was enroute or already back in Ireland during the show – hence the lack of tweeting.
With that said, one of the things I love about Colin is that he seems super family oriented. He mentions his wife in almost every single interview, whether written or live and he makes it clear that what he does is just a job – he’s not this great, important guy because he’s an actor, just a normal person; then makes a big deal about how his wife is the amazing one because she is a teacher and really makes a difference in the world. I don’t doubt for a second that if he had to choose between tweeting or doing something with his wife or son – he will be a dad and husband first and do something with his wife and son. I imagine he moved his family here so he can be a very hands on dad so I’m guessing if Evan is having a bad night when Colin is supposed to be tweeting, Evan is going to get his attention, not us. And that’s the way it should be!!
I read Tumblr but that’s all I because I have yet to figure out how to use the the silly thing. I have an account (I think) floating around somewhere out there. Luckily the only things I really read on tumblr are the links from this forum so I haven’t come across any of the truly horrible stuff I have heard about, which is probably a good thing because it would get me all worked up.
I do think everyone here is pretty nice and I try to be respectful as well. Sometimes I honestly question if everyone is watching the same show (ex. Emma was more emotional about saying goodbye to Archie than she was about saying goodbye to Hook. Okay, come on now . . . even my husband laughed out loud at that one). But this is a really fun place. In general I think everyone is still pretty emotional from the midseason finale regardless of which ship you sail.
Can I just do a brief exercise with all of you over the age if 17?
Think about the guy (or girl) you were dating when you were 17? What were your hopes and dreams with said boyfriend or girlfriend then?
How old are you now? Do you still have the same hopes and dreams with that boyfriend or girlfriend that you did then?
If not, why?
If so, why?
If you are no longer dating the person you were dating when you were 17, and are now either dating or married to someone else, do you feel you made a mistake and should have tried to maintain or revive a relationship with the person you dated when you were 17?
I will start this off.
I was convinced I was going to marry the guy I was dating when I was 17. I was so stupid I actually followed him to college. This ended up being a good decision but the school ended up being PERFECT for me, and as a bonus I met my lifelong best friend!! On the other hand I broke up with my boyfriend a few months into freshman year when I developed a big time crush on a guy in my dorm who was a biology major in most of my classes. My ex transferred to a different college after our sophomore year. I found out after college that he had a one night stand with some random girl a few years later and got her pregnant.
I am 41 now. I am so completely different than I was when I was 17 that I can hardly recognize myself!!! Doing things I never thought I would want to do, living someplace I never thought I would live, I’m still me but a much different version of myself!
Married to an awesome hubby! It’s our anniversary today! Can’t imagine being married to anyone else. This is what my life was supposed to be and I am happy I am living it! Can’t imagine for one second thinking that my life “should have been” something else.
I’ll go one step further. I am divorced. This is my second marriage. My hubby has raised my 12 year old cause his dad doesn’t care about him at all. My first husband decided he didn’t want the responsibility of being a dad after my son was born. There isn’t a day I regret divorcing my first husband. Not even because a “family” is supposed to be together. And if I was single and my ex came back today saying he wanted another chance and someone told me I should give him one because we are a family – I would show them BOTH the door.
@emmajones Yes!!!
And now that I am looking back on all the seasons I am kind of seeing that the first season had this overall “fantasy” feel of what our expectations are (as well as what the characters expectations are) of what a fairy tale is supposed to be versus what it really is, the second season looks at how the events in people’s pasts have shaped them into the people they become and unless they have someone who believes in them they can be defined by their mistakes and continue to make them, the first part of season 3 has been about defining and understanding the various kinds of love and the motivations for/hindrances to/and needs for all kinds of love at all different times in our lives, and I think the second part of season 3 will be about how sometimes the things that happen during the course of our life change what our definition of a happy ending is.
Funny enough, this brings our characters back to the EF where they were in Season 1 when they were living their traditional Fairy Tale character lives. However in the midseason finale Snow, who tends to be the character who holds the most tightly to the traditional Fairy Tale happy ending scenarios, is the one who pointed out to Emma that sometimes our happy endings aren’t what we expected them to be. Snow was the one who was pushing to go back to the EF thinking that all the problems would magically disappear if they went back to traditional Fairy Tale land. I think that Snow and the rest of our characters are going to discover that the EF wasn’t as great as they remember it and that since they have now spent time in the “real world” suddenly a EF Fairy Tale happy ending isn’t going to be exactly what they want anymore. I think that is going to be how Snow is going to discover that Emma and Neal don’t necessarily belong together. I think she will recognize that she and Charming belong together because they have True Love but their true love has nothing to do with it being her first love. That just happens to be the way their story reads. So she will recognize that the happy ending she visualized for Emma isn’t necessarily what she had planned, and that Emma’s happy ending might just be ending up with Captain Hook.
Yes!! The whole thing about how Emma dealt with knock on the door and the recovery from the kiss by the devilishly handsome leather clad “stranger.” Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed something about this.
First, any New Yorkers here?? If you live in a building in NYC with a locked front door and you have a guest there are generally two ways this is handled. One, there is an intercom out front and you buzz the apartment you want, tell the person you are out front and they unlock the door from inside their apartment for you. In swankier places, there are doorman and they call up to your apartment to announce your arrival and once they have your approval, allow you to pass to access the elevator to go up to your apartment.
So if you are sitting around eating breakfast in an apartment in a building with a locked front door and someone knocks you are not just going to walk over in your pajamas and open the door without asking who the heck it is before opening it. And when you do open it to discover a leather clad “stranger” who swoops in to kiss you, you aren’t going to calmly just turn around to your kid and be like “Hmm, wrong apartment – he obviously meant to kiss the blonde woman down the hall. No worries. You are most likely going to be concerned. Unless you AREN’T concerned because this guy doesn’t seem like a stranger to you after all – even though your natural instinct is to knee him in the nads.
And the knock at the door?? Ever get a phone call from someone when as soon as the phone rang you knew exactly who it was (not because of caller ID or because they said they were going to call or because there was a reason they would call). But just because you KNEW it was them. This actually happened once with my husband before we were dating but when I already liked him. He was calling for a random reason but as soon as the phone rang I KNEW it was him. I kind of got that feeling with Emma wit the knock at the door. Like, she wasn’t expecting anyone to be knocking at the door because she wasn’t expecting company but at the same time that knock on her door was not unexpected – kind of like in some unconscience level she knew who was going to be on the other side of the door.
Honestly, it really would have been kind of “wasteful” to have a big emotional goodbye since she wasn’t going to be able to remember any of it anyway. I think their “moment” made it clear to each other how they feel about each other. But consider the situation, there was a lot of stuff going down and everyone’s emotions were all over the place. They had only minutes to get out across the town line and Regina had only minutes to inact the counter curse. It would have been overwhelming to say the least. I’m amazed she made it through without vomiting – that would have me, puking all over Hook’s boots from how emotionally sick the whole experience would have made me – right before I passed out.
I think they were going for the Leia/Han scene “I love you.” “I know” feeling. Trying to keep it simple to remind people of that scene.
I think it was incredibly painful for Emma to have to say to goodbye to Killian so she just . . . doesn’t. But it is very important to her that even though she won’t be able to remember – he will be thinking of her every day. She needs to know that; she needs to know that he is going to think about her every day – just like he thought of Milah every day for 300 years.
