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The thing I don’t like about triangles is that there is always one of the “suitors” that you prefer over the other. So as a viewer you have a 50/50 chance of being either thrilled or annoyed with the outcome of the triangle arc. And for people like me who tend to be high strung and anxious anyway, dealing with a “is my character going to end up with the person I don’t want him or her to end up with” feeling is extremely insettling. I’m not one to just flat out say I will stop watching a show if my character ends up with the character I don’t ship but I have had it happen before that when a show goes in a direction that doesn’t really “do it” for me I lose interest and stop watching. Sometimes that happens with triangles when they don’t go the way I would like. I try to stay invested in the show but typically for me I ship certain pairing because of a chemistry I happen to feel between the two characters. Trying to stay invested in the show doesn’t mean I can magically create chemistry between characters when I just don’t feel it – so often a lack of chemistry will be the reason I loose interest.
So, I am CS. I have many reasons for being CS, one of them is that I personally don’t feel any chemistry between Emma and Neal (but I understand that others do and that is great!). So if SF happens I won’t stop watching the show – I hope that I will come to feel that Emma and Neal should be together. But a lot would probably have to happen for me to feel that way due to the total lack of chemistry I currently feel between them. It cincerns me that I might loose interest in the show as has happened with other shows, although there are enough other stories that are going on that could keep me interested.
But once this “triangle” is over, please help me if we dive into another one!! I’m all for random obstacles standing in the way of couples getting together, or jndividuals having to overcome personal issues before they can be open to love but vacillating between two people – ugh!!!
Feeling like I need to be sedated before each episode is not necessarily a healthy thing long term.
[adrotate group="5"]@CaptainEala I always forget that you have to watch at 1 am. That is dedication!!
@MysteryKat Loved everything you said. Especially the CSF stuff!! After reading what you wrote I wonder if Emma is going to end up getting Hook to reveal the truth about Milah/Bae to her by confronting him about his deciding to step back from her. Because while he made the decision for the right reasons, especially given his past history with a woman he loved who had a son, since Emma doesn’t want Neal I think she will be touched by what he was trying to do but at the same time I think she will make it clear that she never asked him to do that since going back to Neal has really never been an option for her. And I do think she will ask him why he would choose to do that when she never asked him to and that is when I think he will let her know what happened. So she will see that he was doing it just as much for himself and Neal as he was for Emma, Neal and Henry. And I think she will understand that since she has had to deal with the pain of her past since Neal came back, died, and came back again. It would be a good way for her to learn that he has been wounded much greater than just losing Milah and Liam and that he CAN relate to her really well in MANY ways. Plus she will understand just how much Bae means to him – that Neal isn’t glgoing to be this “problem” for Killian because he will always be a part of their lives. But that Killian cared for Bae as a son long before Emma even existed and he will always be special to Killian too just like he will always be special to Emma. I think she will realize that once SHE is clear with Neal, since Neal has now been pretty clear that if she isn’t interested he will stop pursuing, that they can all be friends. Then I think we can see CF repair their relationship because the triangle/non-triangle won’t exist anymore. Honestly, while I do love that Killian decided to step back because I understand why he did it, the one thing that has bothered me is that it is the first time he hasn’t allowed Emma to make the choice in their relationship. But I think that might have been the point in having him do it. Just like you pointed out with Snow lying to Charming and telling him that she didn’t love him. Killian made this decision with the best of intentions, thinking it was best for everyone, but look what happened. Neal got stood up. Snow got her hopes up and pushed Emma toward Neal again. Daddy Charming had to go on a rescue mission to keep Snow away from Emma. And then you have Emma and Killian who were a flippin heart wrenching disaster without each other for even 24 hours. Emma is stressed out and lost because she doesn’t have Killian who has become her compass (see what I did there) for guiding her in the right direction when she gets all wound up and becomes immobile. She no longer has him there to look too for guidance or reassurance that her decision was the right one. And Killian is such a mess he doesn’t even know who he is anymore. He is head over heels in love with Emma and everyone knows it. He has started to become the man he used to be on his road to redemption and when he is with Emma – that IS the man he is. So when she isn’t there, he decides to “drown” the pain of not having her there the way he has been doing so for 300 years – with rum and hitting on woman. But that only worked with his first love. This time it is his TRUE love and those things don’t work so he is just a complete, lost, mess. And when they see each other after being lost for 24 hours without each other neither one has ever been in that kind of situation before so they BOTH act out of character with one another. Emma is jealous when she knows darn wwell she has NO reason to be – the man has professed his undying loyalty to her and she knows his secret. And lies to her, and lies badly – knowing very well that he CAN’T lie to Emma.
So now remember on the island how Snow gave Charming this big speech about how he shoud have told her the truth and the reason he didn’t tell her the truth was because he didn’t believe. But they love each other and that’s what you do when you love each other, you believe. That was a unique time that Charming did NOT believe. Sound familiar?? Instead of telling Emma that he thought he should step back to give her a chance with Neal, he just did it. I don’t think he necessarily thought she was going to pick Neal but he thought that there was a high enough chance that he needed to pull himself out of the equation. I don’t know if Emma will get mad at him like Snow did with charming because I don’t think she has faced her feelings quite yet.
I’m so excited for tonight!!!
will this help @rumplegoldfan ? I’ve known about the tattoo, but I’ve never noticed the tattoo with the watch specifically before. Time was a big deal with the clock not moving since time stood still until Emma decided to stay in SB so I wondered if there was a specific reason if one of the times we have seen the buttercup tattoo has been when we also see a big watch on her little wrist. Maybe they just put the watch there so we would notice the tattoo.
Does anyone think there is any kind of significance to the shot of the buttercup tattoo with the watch underneath it. I always thought it was weird how Neal put this giant watch on Emma’s tiny little wrist but never paid any attention to the fact that the watch has flipped around the underside of her wrist (although many people wear them that way) so that when she put her hands in the air we have a clear shot of the buttercup tattoo with a watch (representing time?). Maybe something like it’s only a matter of time? There have only been a select few scenes on the show where we have been given a clear and purposeful shot of the tattoo. Has anyone ever compiled the gifs of those anywhere?
Any other thoughts about if there could be meaning behind the buttercup and the watch? Am I reading too much into it?
Visiting from the CS ship to say that I can’t STAND when people tweet or posf negative things about the actors!!! Being a CS shipper I know that we do come down on Neal really harshly (I think for most of us only in regard to a relationship with Emma) but I always try make it clear that I am not trying to bash on MRJ when something I am posting about the CHARACTER he portrays could be misconstrued to be directed at HIM. I know the actors typically don’t read these boards but I would feel terrible if they did and thought I was disliking THEM as opposed to something their character did. And really, even if they never DO read these boards why say anything mean about an actor??? Goodness, some people get emotionally invested in a very WRONG way if they feel the need to bash REAL people.
Personally I always feel bad for MRJ because I feel like he does get a like of hate and that has got to suck. And I think from some of hjs responses to tweets you can tell it does bother him. Like the time someone tweeted and asked him if ANYONE prefers Neal to Hook and he responded that his mom does (but she also likes Colin). OUCH!!
And the stuff about Jared??? I have a 12 year old son and I can’t even imagine. My son performs too and they learn early on that they can’t take things personally but they are STILL kids and during those pre-teen and early teen years when you feel like you are a freak anyway??? Being an actor doesn’t make that feeling go away. Those kids know how to come across as confident in public but they STILL cry in private. My mommy heart breaks for Jared. My son and I thought he did a really good job acting like Pan, especially the part where he was walking around checking out his room. Then we saw all these people posting that they he was awful and wished that he would leave and they would keep him locked in Pan’s body. Even my son said that he is only 13 and still learning how to do things like that compared to Robbie who is 18 and more experienced (but who we both love too!). Plus Jared is just in that awkward in between stage that ALL of us went through but that can be a career ender for actors. Believe me, Jared is well aware of this so having people tweet and post that he sucks and that they wish he would be written off the show is HORRIBLE beyond comprehension. Sorry, mommy rant over.
Yes, these people are actors who have chosen a profession that puts them in the public but they are people with real feelings. Maybe this bothers me so much because I am a little older and we didn’t have Facebook or Twitter, etc around when I was younget to hide behind if you wanted to be rude to someone. These things are great but they also allow people to say things they would NEVER say to someone in person, and they allow for multiple people to gang up and be rude. In the past, even if you did have a negative opinion of someone you just kept it to yourself, now there are actual sites devoted to hating people!! That’s nuts!!!
What bothers me so much about the hatred toward MRJ is that sometimes you will actors who play VILLAINS on a show say they have people come up to them on the street and yell at them that they hate them. And, while strange and creepy, they try to take that as a compliment because it means they must be playing their part well. Creepy because sane people would recognize THEY are NOT the character the play. But MRJ does NOT play a villian. So saying that you hate him is just creepy all around or totally immature. And to attack his acting is just a hideous thing to do. Sometimes I don’t like the way the bagger at the grocery store bags my groceries but I’m not gonna tweet them that bagging skills suck!! And that actually DOES directly affect me. But there is no need to shout it to the world on a website.
Anyway, sorry to burst in and rant but I completely agree with all of you about this.
Ship on SF friends!!
If it is something MAJOR they have planned for the two of them then sometime in season 4 seems reasonable. As long as we have CS working together on some kind of adventures and being shippy while doing it, I’m happy – cause I think that’s when both of them seem to be happiest, when they are working together (like Snowing). BUT I will not be happy if they stretch out this triangle-not-really-a-triangle that long! Give Emma some time to decide she really does NOT want Neal, have the heart to heart she needs to have with him so they close off that storyline for good, FINALLY give us the Hook/Bae NL backstory that is missing and the Hook/Neal reconciliation that needs to happen which includes both Hook and Neal dealing with Milah being Neal’s mom and Hook turning Bae over to Hook, have Henry get to know Hook and come to like and respect him OUTSIDE of a relationship with Emma, have Snowing learn the backstory on SF (we need to learn everything that really happened about Emma going to jail – so does Emma), have Snow accept Emma doesn’t love Neal but loves Hook. Once those things have happened Emma is in a good place to really BE with Hook. But until that time we can have the “moments” that Daddy Charmjng talked about.
So if you think about, with everything that needs to be accomplished for Emma and Hook to be at the place where they can have a MAJOR, everything we needed to accomplish to be together has been accomplished type of episode, it would likely be sometime in season 4 given that every single episode can’t focus 100% on them. But getting official CS “moments” until then (like I think/hope) we will will still be really good. Just like the KISS was super amazing even though they people were saying we were only imaging thing things at that point!!
Regarding the ceiling painting in Baby Emma’s nursery. It has always reminded me of an ee Cummings poem called “Silently If, Out of Not Knowable” because it talks about how the person is their sun, moon, and stars but it talks about climbing into oblivion (hence the beanstalk along with the sun, moon, and star) at one point. Unfortunately, like most of Cumming’s works I have very little idea what the heck the poem is about although I do think it is romantic and deals with losing the selfish parts of yourself (Hook), your sorrows (Hook and Emma) and your fears (Emma) in another person and deals with different worlds, being surprised by a kiss, etc.
For those of you who are the excellent writers of our ship or who are great at interpreting poetry, maybe take a look at it and see what you think.
I hadn’t seen all of those of hidden hints of CS before!! As far as the yellow bug license plate, do you think episode 83 could be something special for Killian and Emma for some reason (E83 KAE). No idea why on earth they would randomly pick episode 83 but that was the first thing that crossed my mind when someone pointed out the license plate.
What I noticed in the last few episodes, and particularly in the last one, is that it seems like he has stopped trying so hard to be Emma’s “parent.” We see in the EF flashbacks how well he knows Snow and how he is so good at figuring out exactly what to say or do when she is upset, angry, freaking out, etc. He knows what to say to stop her from making mistakes by not TELLING her not to do something but by giving her advice and then letting her figure it out on own her own based upon what he told her. And then in the last episode we had two references to how Snow and Emma are so much alike. It seems like he has figured out that the best way to “parent” his daughter is to treat her just like his wife (no ick factor intended. Meaning, just like Snow said in Echo Cave, they never got to watch Emma grow up – bam, they have a daughter the same age they are. So Daddy Charming has figures out he needs to just accept that and go with – he has a 28 year old daughter so he needs to treat her like a 28 year old woman, which oddly enough is exactly how he has figured out to treat his wife.
On the other hand, Snow isn’t there yet because she is still mourning the “loss” of her baby. She isn’t ready to stop trying to give advice to Emma the way she would a child. When she was MM she was so much better with Emma because she related to her as a 28 year old woman. I think Daddy Charming’s brush with DreamShade death made him evaluate what he has and what he could lose and I think he decided having the opportunity to be a dad to a 28 year old is a much better option than not being able to be a dad at all. And like his conversation with Emma about “moments”, he is finding the good in a bad situation and trying to enjoy it and do everything he can to help her in the way she needs instead of dwell on the bad (that she is all grown up and doesn’t need the kind of advice they missed out on giving).
Honestly, Charming as a character has always annoyed me a bit. But he had had these GREAT moments lately and I am loving him.
Also, if no one has noticed this go back and watch the Echo Cave Scene when Charming tells Snow his secret. Gosh would have known they were pregnant then. Watch right as he tells Snow that he thinks she will be an amazing mother. He breaks character and starts to cry for just a minute but now that we know you can totally see it!! It is beyond adorable and it worked with the scene so I’m sure they just decided to keep it. It is one of the cutest things I have ever seen!!
