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I love a Rumple too (hence my screen name) but I honestly believe the only person who could EVER destroy Rumbelle is Rumple himself. Even if they use Hook as a means to move a storyline forward that involves Belle discovering that Rumple gave her a fake dagger and is still struggling with being dark – he would be only that, a means to move the storyline forward – it would still be Rumple’s struggle with overcoming his addiction to magic and power that is the problem, not Hook.
I mean look at the scene in the last episode. Look at how Rumple interacted with Hook. Charming and Hook go to ask Rumple for help with saving Emma. Hook acknowledges that Rumple is the Dark One and is therefore powerful enough to destroy the ice cave. I love Rumple but why was he such a jerk towards Hook? Making a big deal about how he COULD destroy the cave but it would also destroy his girlfriend??? Just as a nice jab to remind him that he destroyed his LAST girlfriend??? Like, sure but then I’m gonna kill this girlfriend just like I killed your last. I get that he is upset about Neal dying and everything but dude is messed up right now and doesn’t appear to be in the right frame of mind in general. So I don’t think Hook is likely to DO anything to negatively affect Rumple’s growth, if anything he might RESPOND in a way that reveals what Rumple is up to but ultimately that might be exactly what is needed for a Rumple to have true character growth.
I actually wonder if they are working toward having Hook and Rumple ultimately bond in some way. I’ve actually wondered why they don’t get along now. I mean Milah treated Rumple like crap and now he is married to his TL Belle, so in hindsight Milah leaving him allowed him to find him his TL. And CS is pretty much shaping up to be TL as well so if Milah had lived Killian would never had found Emma. So in bizarre ways Rumple and Hook’s actions both lead the other to find their TL’s. Not that I think that excuses killing people or going on a 300 year quest for revenge. But ultimately that IS what resulted from those things. So really I don’t get what their problem with each other is anymore. So if they can have Hook and Rumple work together to have Rumple end up with character growth, they could end up bonding. Just a theory.
[adrotate group="5"]killianhookfanParticipantI’m super excited for this episode (not so excited for what, I am sure, will be the usual anti-CS, Hook is a misogynistic rapist pig backlash – I am so over that I can’t even stand it).
Although I am feeling completely spoiled by CS so far this season (and it’s hardly started!) I have to say that this season I am really enjoying the other story lines a lot as well. Regina/OQ, Rumple/Rumbelle, the Frozen stuff – I’m actually really liking ALL of it.
People can start throwing darts at me but I think it’s because Neal is gone – there, I said it. I’m sure MRJ is a lovely person and a wonderful actor (I think he was dreadfully miscast on OUaT) but I never felt like he fit in with the rest of the cast; nothing was ever convincing to me with him as Neal and the longer the storyline was dragged out the worse it got. Now that he is gone, it’s like everything is back to normal on the show for me. And I’m honestly not saying that because I’m a CS shipper. When Emma and Gold first found Neal there was a brief moment of time where I thought I might like to see Emma and “Bae” together. But then when Neal started interacting with everyone – NOPE. Zero chemistry, not just with Emma but with the entire cast. And because there was no chemistry I could never see Emma and Neal’s relationship developing beyond anything other than a bad teenage romance. Out of kindness to the SF fans I found myself trying to force myself to find scenes where I felt like I could find Neal having chemistry with ANY of the characters on the show. I was sad when he died because I loved “Bae” and I felt bad for who Emma and Rumple were losing and what losing him meant to them. But that was it.
I feel like I have my show back again. Which is funny because all the haters are posting about how they think the show sucks now and how it’s nothing like it was in the beginning. I truly do not understand anyone who hates the show so much but continues to watch or post about it. Or prays to network Gods that it will get cancelled. That is just . . . odd. There have been several shows that I used to watch that I just no longer enjoyed or lost interest in. So I stopped watching them. But I didn’t send hate mail to the producers and didn’t organize prayer circles hoping for cancellation and I didn’t waste HOURS, DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS of my life discussing and posting about how much I hate the show now. And I don’t understand the argument that people make saying that they are “too invested” in the show and the friends they have made via the show to stop watching or stop posting about it. I’m really happy if they have made friends from watching the show – go find another show you all LIKE and post happy thoughts about that one on that show’s board together!!! Heaven help me if I am ever so “invested” in something that I absolutely despise but cannot leave. And these people think Emma has an unhealthy relationship with Hook???? They are spending hours of their life posting, blogging, tweeting, and chatting about a show that they can’t stand and, in some cases, no longer watch!!! THAT seems entirely unhealthy to me.
I find myself spending more time looking at pictures and stuff on tumblr these days because I don’t have to deal with any of the “weirdness” there. It seems like this site has been taken over by people who hate the show and are hoping it will get cancelled. Which it strange because I thought it was supposed to be a site for people who enjoy the show. It isn’t even just anti-CS anymore. It’s like if you are positive about the show in any way you are the enemy. I feel like we lost so many fun people here who used to have such great and insightful posts. Not just CS shippers. It feels like all of the threads are MUCH sparser than they used to be. I think people who weren’t die hard SF shippers got tired of all the negativity and fled.
Is it like this on other OUaT boards? This is the only board I post on. I always hear about how there is a lot of CS and Hook hate out there but have other OUaT boards also lost followers because of all their negativity? Does anyone have other boards they go to or know where some of our friends have fled to? It ticks me off that people have been successful in driving people away and I don’t want to leave but I miss all of our CS shipmates!!
Sorry for the downer post. We just moved to Florida and I’m still trying to make friends. I was looking forward to OUaT starting back up because I feel like I’ve always had friends here to chat with and that would change even when I move, but everyone stays so quiet or is gone now.
killianhookfanParticipantFound it!!! Notice the earring . . . pierced, yes??
Sorry, I tried to post the picture. It showed up when I wrote the post but then disappeared when I posted it.
killianhookfanParticipantDarn it all I can’t find the picture now but, very important question . . .
Did Colin finally cave and get his ear pierced?
One of the pictures I saw on tumblr this morning showed him with a new earring – it looked like a black gemstone stud, and it really looked like it was pierced not a clip on.
In my new head cannon – he gives Emma his earring as a token of affection since his rings are too big for her and she gets him a new one.
killianhookfanParticipant@PriceofMagic Okay, I so love your thought that Regina could possibly be pregnant. I’m not one that would usually like a an out of wedlock baby storyline on a family TV show (I know – call me old fashioned and the whole show is based around Emma being an unwed mother already) but I agree with you that this would make so much sense.
It would give Regina and Snow something additional to bond over in their already growing friendship plus it would explain her baby-related sarcasm in the deleted scene from the last episode. Everyone is wondering WHY they deleted that scene, perhaps they decided the scene focused a bit too much on Snow/Regina baby discussions and they didn’t want to go there quite yet?
It would also give Emma and Regina something additional to bond over. Although Regina is mad at Emma for bringing Marian back – Emma is really the only one in town who can relate to how Regina would be feeling if she is pregnant after Robin “left” her to go back to his wife. Even though the contexts are entirely different they were both in situations were the both believed they were in a loving relationship, then had something completely unexpected happen, then found out they were pregnant and didn’t tell the father. If this IS the case, obviously I think Regina will end up telling Robin and I think a heart to heart with Emma would convince her that is the right thing to do.
Foreshadowing. When Robin told Regina he loves her but he he is going back to Regina he told her he was once a very different man and that he is going back to Marian because he lives by a code. First, we have no idea what kind of person HE used to be and we have no idea why he and Marian are actually together. I have actually started to wonder if he really ever loved Marian but maybe was not the greatest person and got her pregnant but finding out he was going to be a father made him change and decide to “do the right thing” and marry her and learned to love her (but not in a true love way). Or, Roland really isn’t his biological child and we will find out he killed his father when he was not a great person and out of guilt married Marian before Roland was born.
But the other foreshadowing issue is that since he said he is a man with a code, if Regina is pregnant there is NO WAY he is not going back to her even with Marian back. Regina is his true love and if he finds out she is pregnant it will complicate things but Marian was “dead” to him for years – Regina is here right now.
It definitely would explain her behavior and her desire to be alone to try to figure out what she is going to do.
And on a personal note it would explain her reduced filming schedule and it seems like they have been filming her sitting a lot more lately than they usually do. I haven’t really paid any attention to whether she looks pregnant or not but if she is early she might just be having bad morning sickness or something and need to slow down a bit. I don’t really like to speculate on their private lives but since we just went through this with Ginny it kind of makes we wonder.
killianhookfanParticipantYou what I just noticed that kills me?
After Emma jumps up into his arms and hugs Killian, once she realizes she is safe – it takes her just a short moment to recognize that the reason Killian is holding onto her for dear life isn’t just because he is relieved that they got to her in time and that she is safe. She realizes that this is the man is who has proved over and over again that he will ALWAYS go to the end of the world or time for her and that he will give up his most prized possessions for her – but she also remembers that this is also the man who has twice before been in the position where he has had to watch the two people he loved most in the world die in his arms. And suddenly she isn’t the one being comforted. When she reaches up and cradles the back of his head and the camera moves Killian’s face – we can see his total surrender to the fact that he was terrified that he was once again going to lose the person he most loves in the world, and his relief that this time the person he is holding that he loves is alive and not dead – and he is completely overcome with emotion.
This is such a beautiful scene because up to this point we have seen each of them individually physically “rescue” one another, we have seen them work together on adventures together, we have seen Killian do a lot of building Emma up and comforting her when she needs it but we have never before seen them when they are both literally raw and exposed with emotion and comforting EACH OTHER. Killian always knows what to say and do to help Emma, but in that single moment when it was all about rescuing HER, she remembered what he must have been going through and choose to comfort HIM and let him know that, unlike his past experience with love, she is still right there with him. He asks Emma if she is okay. At that moment Emma wants to make sure Killian is okay too.
killianhookfanParticipantSo did they have MASSIVE remorse over cutting that scene and decide that they better show it on TV the next day???????
Why on earth would they cut THAT scene but keep a scene of Prince Fabio Shepherd David Charming Nolan having what can only be described as a miraculous prodigy sword fighting event with an overly cleavaged Evil Warlord BoPeep next to a floral encrusted gazebo that he won with a flourish by tying her to a bannister with a purple hair ribbon??
That was a great scene between Snow and Regina. I’m puzzled as to how or why it was cut but . . . drunk cart driving accident in the Enchanted Forest, so ya’ know.
Any way . . . .
That scene made a lot of sense. I have seen some people tearing that scene apart and criticizing Regina. I think a lot of people think that when you become a parent – BAM, you just immediately cease to be an individual person and are capable of being selfless and perfectly responsible no matter what. Sometimes being a responsible parent means knowing when you are NOT capable of parenting because of personal and emotional issues that you are dealing with. If Regina had left Henry out in the cold it would be one thing but he does have another mom and grandparents that he routinely stays with. I don’t think her method of delivery was the best, but she is clearly emotionally messed up right now.
At one point in my life I was going through a divorce as a parent and I was so upset I was basically not functional – it wasn’t a decision I made, it just was. I had to ask my parents to help me out with my son because I literally could not take care of him. But I am an extremely responsible person. I had to do what I needed to do to get my, self functional before I was ready to care for him again and he didn’t need to see me acting like a basket case. So I would see him as much as I could when I knew I could hold it together and then I would work on me. That went a lot faster than putting him through all kinds of trauma seeing me really upset which would have made me even more upset, etc, etc. Obviously this didn’t last for a very long time but it is fairly common – I have many friends who had to make similar arrangements with their kids when they went through divorces or found out their husband had cheated on them, etc. So I guess I can relate to the need.
The difficult part with Henry is his age, having a son the same age as Henry – it gets tricky with just how “adult” you can treat them. I can see how being upset about a break-up would be a grey area at that age. How much do you share, how much do you not? They obviously know why you are upset but details about your personal relationships aren’t necessary or appropriate so it could be tricky. But Regina has all these personal identity issues going on on top of all that – so I feel for her.
I also liked how they showed that Snow is dealing with being a “working parent” – something she never had to deal with before. There’s more to it than she expected – easy to give advice and have an opinion if you don’t actually have kids. And since Snow didn’t find Emma since she was 28 – she really hasn’t been a mom but Regina has. So that dynamic is a great one to explore – I hope they do!
killianhookfanParticipantI know this is a wild crack theory but I thought it was odd how Elsa couldn’t see anything in um, ahem, (I can’t believe I’m saying this) Bo-Peep’s crook but then everyone could hear a heartbeat right as SNOW walked in the door. And where was Anna going for info?? The Enchanted Forest.
What if Princess Ava was Anna and Elsa’s Aunt. Which mean’s that Snow is Anna and Elsa’s cousin. Hence the reason she could hear a heart beat as Snow got closer to the apartment?
OR
Crack theory #2 . . .
Elizabeth Mitchell is a grown up Anna who made some kind of deal with Rumple in order to try to find Elsa so that he could use Elsa’s magic to cast the curse or Anna got all messed up when he tried to teach her magic knowing that she was Elsa’s sister and assuming she was powerful enough to be taught to cast the curse to get him to Bae. But some variation that makes her become a warped grown up Anna that is a wanna-be evil version of Elsa – she aged because she wasn’t caught up in the curse.
I know they are both far fetched but . . . EVIL WARLORD BO-BEEP. If that can make it past editing, both of my theories are viable contenders.
killianhookfanParticipantNever in a million years would I have believed that hand holding would get me more excited about my OTP than a kiss.
I just watched the episode.
I am now on the floor in a heap of CS feels and may require assistance getting up.
On second thought . . .
. . . I’m gonna stay right down here and watch the episode a few more times.
Puppy Killian rips my heart out.
Concerned Killian makes my ovaries hurt.
Cuddling Killian . . . THERE ARE NO WORDS!!!!
killianhookfanParticipantHi all! So excited the show is back again! This is the first time I watched the show from our new home in Tampa – although I had to watch on Hulu because we were actually Disney World for my son’s 13th birthday on Sunday night.
As usual loved the show. I actually really liked the Regina stuff because I felt like they did a good job showing how far she has come and how confused and messed up she is right now – Frozen parallels all around!! Like she started to throw a spell at Marian at Granny’s but stopped herself, she was shocked when Sidney thought she would want to kill someone as the person she is NOW, when she thought she could go back in time and have her “old self” kill Marian she realized that everything Marian said about her “old self” was right and she couldn’t even go through with killing her in the past, she was going to let the snow monster kill her but she has developed a conscience and couldn’t even do that. So in the end all she could do was welcome Marian to Storybrooke. But even though she knows she has changed, she STILL sees herself as a villain. This is where I think things are totally different between Regina/Gold and Hook. Hook realizes that his choices are what determines whether he is a villain or not – so since he has decided to make the right choices he knows he isn’t a villain. Regina thinks she just IS a villain – hence the reason she has decided she needs to find the author of the book, thinking she can make the author give her a happy ending. I am wondering if there will be some kind of Frozen parallel where REGINA will instinctively perform an act of true love that will her understand that she is no longer a villain and that she is really the one who writes her own story. Just like Emma and Hook ended up in the book because of their actions.
And I LOVED the scene with Regina and Emma and the door – so cute!!!!
But on to the best . . .CS!! Loved it ALL. I thought it was totally realistic. I didn’t think Killian was whiney – historically he calls Emma out on her crap, now that they know how they feel about each other I think he is just more confident about it. I don’t think he was at all surprised that she was avoiding him – he knows her well enough that he was most likely expecting it and he also knows her well enough to know it is in her best interest to call her on it as soon as possible. So that’s exactly what he did. That is what I love about the two of them. Hook CAN read her like an open book and she knows it and it used to frustrate her but she has always RESPONDED well to it, even when it scared her. The best part about this episode is that now she looks at it as an endearing quality and she EXPECTS it of him – she smiles and tells him “I know I am” when he tells that she is avoiding him again in the woods. He really only wanted her to acknowledge that she WAS doing it, the kiss was a bonus! But he is perceptive and realized that there is something else going on besides her guilt over Regina – as usual, he doesn’t push her – he is going to let her decide when she is ready to tell him what is wrong but he made sure that she knew he IS aware there is some kind of issue that they are going to eventually have to deal with, but he will patient. But he IS concerned that with the way their lives are because of the constant danger, that it might one day be too late – which I think is a very valid concern, but he didn’t say that when Emma could hear because he didn’t want to pressure her.
I liked all the Frozen stuff – Elsa and Anna are spot on. I know some people are bothered because the Frozen characters look just like the movie when the other OUaT characters don’t and they think A and E have sold out to the network yada, yada, yada. Personally I thought it was really cool how they looked and acted so similar – maybe it’s because the movie is so recent but for some reason it does make more sense to me that the Frozen characters look like the characters from the movie. The plot is obviously going to deviate just like the other fairy tale stories.
And I thought the Rumbelle dance was really sweet. I can’t wait to find out what is going on with Gold and the Sorcerer’s hat!
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