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That was the other thing that struck me – Ruth said that a gypsey gave her mother the necklace. In the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie wasn’t the “Wizard’s” alter ego a gypsy? Doesn’t Dorothy meet him when she runs away from home and then he comes back to check on her after she “returns” home from her dream? With all the new villian talk and the costume similarities to Mrs. Gulch, that line about the necklace stuck out to me. So maybe the Oz storyline is on Charming’s side of the family? Maybe Dorothy was his Grandmother who received the necklace from the “Wizard/Gypsey” and then he would therefore have family ties to the Wicked Witch even if he isn’t directly related to her. However, knowing how this show goes we will probably find out that the Wicked Witch married one of Dorothy’s uncles – who would be the Tin Man, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion which would therefore make Charming related to the Wicked Witch and would, once again, add even more complexity to poor Henry’s family tree. Maybe Henry has the heart of the truest believer because he is somehow related to flippin’ every fairy tale character every created!! I do like the idea of Eva as either Dorothy or the Wicked Witch of the East since, I believe, someone pointed out she was wearing Red Shoes in the Miller’s Daughter.
[adrotate group="5"]I must admit I didn’t see the most recent Oz movie (but have seen Wicked about a gazillion times!!), so the only thing I can base my theories off of is the Wizard of Oz 1939 movie. But did I read on the boards somewhere that they can’t get the rights to anything from the Wizard of Oz 1939 movie?
When I look at that picture the first thing that comes to mind is “Mrs. Gulch”, The Wicked Witch’s alter ego. So I googled Mrs. Gulch and while you have to account for the time period – the style of dress could be similar. So if she is going to be the Wicked Witch it would make sense for her SB character to be Mrs. Gulch. And Mrs. Gulch has her own theme song.
That cheating thing is really a bummer! I mean how many of us spent hours each day voting with our actual FINGERS????
I don’t really do much with Twitter but I was more than happy to put up with all kinds of teasing from my friends while waiting at my son’s practices due to voting on the PCA site over and over again! Plus my husband thinks my new bedtime ritual is 30 minutes of voting prior to sleep.
I think we should be proud of ourselves for putting our hearts and souls into our CS ship and working so hard to get them as many votes as possible without setting up heartless robots to do it for us.
I hope Colin and Jennifer know how hard we tried. It will really suck if the results look like they were blown out of the water by two other couples when it was really cheating that made the results so skewed. I don’t want their feelings to be hurt. Although I’m guessing we care about this award more than they do!!!
Sorry, just venting. I don’t often get ticked by a post – after all everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect everyone’s opinion, whether I agree with it or not. But a post finally rubbed me the wrong way – not on our CS ship, and I don’t want to point fingers at anyone. But I knew this would be a safe place to just vent and say, REALLY???????? REALLY, someone actually SAID that?????? I don’t think it was meant to be personally offensive but I am personally offended.
That is all.
Now, I have a question i’d like to put to you guys – do you think Pan orchestrated Emma going to jail? I think John and Michael were suspiciously quick in trying to adopt Henry. I personally don’t believe that it would negate anything Neal did – he made his choices, and they were the wrong ones. He abandoned her, didn’t try to go back to fix what he did even though he regretted it, conspired with August to at the very least arrest her IMO. What do you guys think???
I have actually thought about this as well. Back in the episode where they showed Pinocchio leaving baby Emma in the orphanage I have wondered if maybe Pan had something to do with “Pied Pipering” Pinocchio and the other boys in the orphanage away to become became Lost Boys (kind of a twist on the traditional Pinocchio tale). This would have allowed enough time for Emma to grow up unprotected by anyone from the EF, allowed her and Bae to meet and get pregnant. Then Pinocchio could have sent Pinocchio back out into the real world reminding him that his job was to protect Emma and could have convinced him that having her put in jail would be the best way to help her. Keep in mind that August was also an orphan so he would have been perfect Lost Boy material and could have easily fallen for anything Pan told him. Yet after years of wandering the world and trying to “find himself” he could have realized that he made a horrible mistake and was therefore trying to correct his mistake by going back for her (someone else who realized he messed up and decided to go back!!) and then would also realize he wasn’t really an orphan because he had a father in SB.
I loved how Neal pointed out his own biggest roadblock when it comes to Emma. When Rumple was let out of the box and told Neal that he was afraid that he was going to end up being just like his own father, Neal interrupts him and points out that he is nothing like Pan because Rumple came back for him. Therefore Neal acknowledges that what makes the difference in showing someone that you love them is not that you made a mistake and let them go but that you did everything you could to go back to get them. So he just verbally acknowledged the difference between himself and Killian when it comes to Emma. They both made decisions to leave her. It took Killian about 10 seconds after leaving SB to recognize that he had made a huge mistake so he turned around and went back for her – he had absolutely NOTHING to gain by going back. Henry isn’t his child so he wasn’t personally invested in saving him, he went back for ONLY one reason – for Emma. Then we have Neal who also left Emma but who did NOT go back for her. He didn’t go back for her when she was a teenager and he didn’t go back for her when Rumple tracked him down – he stayed engaged to Tamara. And while he had talked about loving her, he has never done anything about it the way he pointed out that Rumple did something about proving that he loved him. Everything he has been doing in NL he has been doing to save Henry. So I find it interesting that even Neal has verbally acknowledged that NOT going back for someone is what makes a relationship a deal breaker. Compare how Rumple has “fought” to get back to Bae for all of those years to Neal saying he will never stop fighting for Emma. I am even more confused by his saying that to her now that he recognizes that his own father came back for him.
So in the past pictures it has looked to me like Killian has been trying to talk her into drinking the potion and in the hugging picture Emma is holding the bottle of potion and what looks to me like maybe a folded up map – which is very pirate-like. It seems like maybe Killian is trying to help Emma find something or someone that will require them to be separated for awhile but in true Killian form he knows that it is what is best for Emma and what she needs so he is willing to make the sacrifice of being without her for awhile so that she can deal with something. Maybe they talk about it in the bar and she realizes that he is right and CHOOSES to drink the potion and the hug is our first mutual CS emotional moment where they both express their love for each other even though it is kind of a good bye for now hug – but they know that whatsver Emma accomplishes with the potion will ultimately bring them together. Since Killian has dealt with his past, I can see him wanting to make sure Emma has dealt with everything in her’s before she chooses him – so that they both know she is really choosing him.
So I watched Skin Deep again today. Seriously, after learning about Rumple’s father go back and watch it again. It will kill you in an entirely new way. KILL you. I cried all over again. My poor Rumple!!!
Totally don’t understand shipping “wars” but maybe I’m just too old. I guess it goes both ways. I really don’t care whether someone has strong opinions about their own ship or if they do their own super over analyzing like we do in our world to find hidden meanings and such because I think that’s part of the fun of a ship. It doesn’t mean that I will understand a SF view or they will understand a CS view but really, WHO CARES – it’s a TV show and they are fictional characters. As much as we all want to psychanalyze everything that happens the brutal reality is that the characters really DON’T have thoughts or feelings – A and E create the create the characters and actors portray them but they really DON’T exist. So when ANY of us on ANY ship say say “Well Emma is obviously thinking x because of y” um, well no, Emma is a fictional character who therefore doesn’t really have thoughts – we just extrapolate what we THINK she would be thinking in a certain scenario based on how a character is portrayed and written. It’s fun to do and I love it to but when people are attacking actors, fellow forum members, A and E, etc. I think it’s gone overboard.
I personally enjoy reading reading the SF thread because I like reading the other perspective even if I don’t agree with it. And I have posted there because I struggle with not bonding with Neal when I want to and I figure what better place to find people who might be able to help be understand why I haven’t been able to bond with him than a group that clearly loves the character.
I am not offended in the least by anyone who is SF except by those (and I’m not saying they are necessarily) on these boards who ASSUME that is you are CS you must hate NEAL, hate MRJ, be in favor of abuse towards women, and think that young girls should be taught to date to rapists. Please. But there are also folks who are CS (again not necessarily on these boards) that if you say anything that isn’t 100% sunshine and roses “CS will be endgame by the next episode” you are treated like you have suddenly abandoned ship. To me that is just as bad as SF folks being immature toward CS shippers.
I guess my point is that it’s supposed to fun and it’s all about a fictional show – sometimes I think people need to be medicated due to the degree of anymosity they hold toward people on the opposite ship. Getting angered because you read that someone has a different opinion about a fictional character than you do is NOT healthy. Being disturbed because people are verbally attacking people for having a different opinion is completely different – that is just wacked. I like to think that people here know the difference.
