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Do you ever wonder if the cast reads these boards, knowing us by name, and just laughs and laughs??
“They don’t think it’s you, your nose looks too squishy . . .”
[adrotate group="5"]Would a fate worse than death to PP be growing old??? That would make sense.
Remember back in the episode where Smee went to Rumple and told him he could get him a magic bean in return for eternal life but Rumple told him only the DO has eternal life but he could turn back the clock for him and make him young again? But if he didn’t deliver he would speed up the clock and make him old??
Not sure how the bottle of potion would come into play with that theory since if PP does age it clearly happens when he is stabbed and the bottle of potion doesn’t seem to have anything to do with that since it somehow gets transferred to Regina.
Upon looking more closely, Regina now has the bottle of “whatever it is” when she is on the ground and appears to be showing it to Henry and Emma either before or after she collapses depending on which order the pictures are supposed to be in. So maybe the potion is what keeps Rumple alive after he stabs PP??
In the pictures where Regina has collapsed – I don’t think Henry is crying over her, I think it actually looks like he is happy and smiling (but I don’t know if those are actual filming shots or BTS shots).
Is it possible that when Rumple stabs PP not only does Rumple lose his DO power but somehow all Dark Magic leaves SB? Maybe that is why Regina collapses? And if everyone knows that Rumple has to kill PP for some reason at this point maybe they are aware that Dark Magic will leave so it would make sense that Henry would be happy since he was never happy that his mom used magic at all.
Otherwise I don’t understand why Regina would collapse. It doubt she would be overcome with grief if she thought Rumple might die from losing his DO power (even though they have a long history together) and if everyone thought Rumple was dying it wouldn’t make sense that Neal would be helping Regina up instead of tending to his father.
PP is holding something in his left hand – looks like a bottle of potion or something??
I don’t know how to copy pictures here but there is a BTS picture of Ginny posted a page back that cracks me up. She is all bundled up and looks like she is ready for an Alaskan dog sledding expedition!!
It looks like PP to me. If you look in one of the pictures PP has a brown cuff like area on left wrist with a gold metal band around it. The person on the ground has the same thing – the arm in kind of reaching up toward Emma. And if you look at the areas near Emma you can see that the clothes are green. Also, the clothes have to be relatively form-fitting because there doesn’t seem to be much clothing spread around on the ground – the person doesn’t seem to be taking up very much space, the person and their clothing seem to be rather compact. That all says PP to me.
I’m getting a bit confused by people saying that Killian put pressure on Emma by telling her how he felt in the cave – that it wasn’t fair of him to drop all of that information on her when she has already been through so much and is worried about Henry. Did I miss something?? How was he at ALL in control of what his secret was? It wasn’t like he could choose what he wanted to reveal – it was supposed to be his darkest secret. And I don’t see how his secret puts any pressure on her anyway. Emma has clearly had the upper hand with Hook all along – she tied him up, chained him up, cuffed him up, knocked him out, jabbed his broken ribs, tossed back sarcasm like no one else can, grabbed HIM and kissed him silly, and then insisted that the kiss wasn’t a big deal and would never happen again. I fail to see how Killian telling her that meeting her made him realize that he could finally let go of the first woman he loved who died 300 years ago and care about someone else would suddenly make her feel pressured but having a guy she just told she wished was dead tell her he would never, NEVER stop fighting for her is a healthier alternative????
Also, I totally agree with the people who initially wondered if Neal was actually the Shadow? He seemed so stoic and the fact that he didn’t react at all seemed odd to me considering he was so insistent on telling Emma he loved her. I understand people who say that it wouldn’t have made sense for him to declare his undying love for her – totally agree, it wasn’t the right time. But the girl was spilling her guts, after they get out of the cave he assures HER that SHE doesn’t have to apologize to HIM about anything??? Are you kidding me??? That is just plain weird. I’m glad he acknowledged that he put her through a lot – that made sense, but instead of saying he was never going to stop fighting for her (which I still insist makes ZERO sense since he never STARTED), wouldn’t it have been better for him to have told her that he will always love her too, or that he will always be there for her and Henry, or that he is going to make up for the pain he caused her, or that he is going to do everything he can to make sure he doesn’t hurt her again??
Again, did anyone else find it bizarre when they all first got out of the cave? Neal just says “Thanks” with literally no emotion at all. These people all had to tell their darkest secret to save him and he gives them a generic “thanks.” I literally hate this. I want so badly not to NOT like Neal but I just find very few redeeming qualities about him. As someone else said, I LOVE Bae. But Neal – Uggghhh. I almost wish we would find out that Neal is an evil imposter and is really NOT Bae. Drives me crazy!!!
I don’t know if anyone mentioned this yet but on YouTube there are some comments on one of the videos of Killian’s secret in the Echo Cave regarding what happens immediately after he reveals his secret.
The camera shows Emma’s face and she is clearly emotionally affected and then, while the camera is still on ONLY Emma, unexpectedly the earth moves!
The phrase “Did the earth move for you?” is typically used in reference to sex but has also come to describe a sudden feeling of intense emotional connection to another person. So it is interesting that Emma told Killian the kiss was a one time deal, then told Snow the kiss was nothing, then right before Killian told his secret she told Killian it was just a kiss (even though she was clearly affected by the kiss). Yet, right after Killian actually verbalizes, in a serious manner, how he feels about her for the first time, the earth moves for Emma.
Then right after that happens she moves toward Killian, starts to reach toward him and starts to say something but is interrupted by Snowing.
Here’s the next thing I noticed after watching Emma’s secret a few times. There was something that was bugging me about something she said in her secret that seemed a bit “off” to me and I figured out what it was after watching Killian’s secret again.
Emma: It was just a kiss. How is that your darkest secret?
Killian: It’s what the secret exposed. My secret is: I never thought I would be capable of letting go of my first love, of my Milah, to believe that I could find someone else. That is, until I met you.Notice that Killian calls Milah “MY Milah” even though he is basically telling Emma that he loves her. He is completely comfortable with Emma understanding that Milah was his first love and that, because of that, he will always, on some level, still love her so she will always be “his Milah.” Emma knows he has the tattoo of Milah’s name on his arm – which will forever be a reminder that there was someone he loved before her (just like Henry will forever be a reminder that Neal was Emma’s first love). But both Killian and Emma know that Milah is 300 years dead in the past so none of that matters. And even after Killian calling Milah “my Milah”, how does Emma respond? She is clearly moved and the earth moves!!! Then she reaches for him and was going to say something to him!!
Fast forward through Snowing . . .
Someone pointed out that as Emma starts to go across the bridge of secrets toward her past (Neal) she looks to her future (Killian) for confidence and then she does it a second time as she gets a bit further out.
Then Emma gets to Neal.
Emma: When I heard you might be here, that you might still be alive, I knew I should be happy but I wasn’t. I was terrified. I didn’t know why until now.
So up until the cave Snow has been saying all kinds of things under the assumption that Neal is her happy ending. She has been telling her not to give up hope that he is still alive, blah, blah, blah. Then we find out that Emma was feeling pretty good when she kissed Killian but then instead of being happy like Snow assumed she would be, when she found out Neal was alive, she was terrified. And it wasn’t until NOW – in the Echo Cave that she discovered WHY she was terrified.
She says that when she saw Neal in Manhattan she realized she still loved him (much like Killian still loves Milah) but then doesn’t really say much else before she says something about barely being able to take a breath and he was gone again, referring to him being shot and falling into the portal. So to me this says that for 11 years she was walled up not really understanding what to make of their relationship since he ditched her which led to her trust issues and her inability to accept or give love. Then she finds Neal and realizes that she did actually love him – he was her first love and then immediately he is gone again – this time dead and she doesn’t have to wonder about him anymore, this time she thinks she can have closure.
Emma (following “I didn’t know why until now”): I love you, I probably always will but my secret is that I was hoping that this was a trick. I was hoping you were dead because it would be easier for me to put you behind me than to face all the pain that we went through all over again.
Notice that Emma said that she was hoping this was a trick. She was hoping it was a trick because she wasn’t happy when she heard he was alive, she was terrified. And why did Killian NOT want to tell Emma right away that Neal was alive? That’s right. He wanted to make sure it wasn’t one of Pan’s tricks first so that Emma would be spared the feelings of thinking that Neal might be alive. Because who would be the ONE person who would understand exactly how it feels to try to move on after someone you love dies? Killian – who had JUST told her EXACTLY that. And I think Emma is suddenly okay with recognizing that she will probably always love Neal because Killian basically acknowledged that he will always love Milah by calling her “MY Milah.”
Here’s the part that bugged me – it didn’t make sense to me that Emma said “it would be easier to put you behind me, than to face all the pain that WE went through all over again.” It didn’t make sense that she used the word “WE” because as far as I can tell she and Neal never went through any pain together. He ditched her before he even knew she was pregnant, he didn’t serve time in jail, and in her secret speech she pretty much blew right past ANY of the time they spent together in SB by saying that she barely had a chance to take a breath and he was gone again so she isn’t talking about anything that happened in SB. It wouldn’t make sense for her to use the word “WE” if she was talking about the guilt that Neal says he felt for leaving her because she is clearly ONLY talking about her OWN emotions here. So the word “WE” was really bugging me.
But then when I went back and watched everything again, the word “WE” makes perfect sense if she is using it in reference to herself and Killian. Not using it to identify themselves as a firmly established couple But using “WE” because of the emotional connection she just made to Killian and the fact that she “just realized” that “they” have been experiencing the same pain for years. And I think she is just starting to realize that when she thought Neal was dead and when she has been around Killian and when she kissed him she was starting to feel good for the first time – which is exactly how Killian just told her he was feeling about her as well.
I think what was happening is that when Killian told Emma his secret, she realized that she felt EXACTLY the same way about him and that it wasn’t until she heard Killian describe exactly what she was feeling as well that she realized WHY she was terrified of Neal being alive.
So I think when Emma says “I was hoping you were dead because it would be easier for me to put you behind me than to face all the pain that we went through all over again.” She was basically saying – It took me 11 years to realize that the reason I put up all these walls was because I loved you and you hurt me. You were my first love and and even though you hurt me I will always love you because you WERE my first love. But I know now that I am capable of letting go of the pain that caused me to put up all those self-protective walls and I am capable of being happy with someone else. It is easier to realize all of that and feel all of that if you are dead (the way Milah has been dead for 300 years and they don’t have to deal with her). If you are alive, we (me and Killian) have to deal with all of the emotional fallout that comes from realizing that first person you love (and will always love) was never meant to be your true love after all, all over again instead of being able to just leave them in the past.
I keep watching the clip of Emma’s secret and this is the only way that it makes sense to me. Everything up to that point is about HER emotions and how SHE was feeling and then there is this random “WE” thrown in there that makes zero sense if it refers to Emma and Neal.
The thing that I keep hearing that’s been bugging me the most is how Emma should be with Neal because it’s the right and honorable thing since they have a child together. On the podcast yesterday the same thing was said plus adding in that if Emma chose Hook it would mean abandoning her family. Hook to me has shown how honorable he truly is, he would not want Emma to abandon her family essentiall making the same mistake twice. That whole warped sense of honor and righteousness by staying with the guy who knocked her up and abandoned her for ten years is complete drivel to me. Hook and Emma want the same thing to let go of the pain of the past and move on to a new future. I don’t see anything that can be called “right” about Emma staying with Nealfire just because of Henry.
Jumping up on my 41 year old wife and mother soap box in agreement with you!!
Forget being a CS fan, I am completely baffled as to how anyone can think Emma should be with Neal – but I just attribute it to me being too old and matronly I guess.
All I can say is that as a parent, if my teenage daughter was running around with some guy stealing I would be heart broken and I would do everything I could to keep her away from him (totally get that she was stealing before she met him but having some guy influencing her to keep it up would not make me happy). Then add to the mix that this loser gets her pregnant – he better be able to run REALLY fast. Then some random guy tells him it is in my daughter’s best interest for him to leave her and have her arrested. Super. What an upstanding, honorable, and noble young man. Just the kind of guy I am going to be soooo very excited to see show up again in 11 years. And when my daughter who has spent the last 11 years walled up in protection mode because she can’t trust anyone because this outstanding gentleman wounded her so badly, comes to me for advice I will tell her that the honorable and noble thing would be for her to choose this incredible creep – since it would be best for her to be with the guy she has already slept with and so she can keep her “family” intact??? You know, her family – which consists of the baby she gave up for adoption 11 years ago and has no legal rights to???
Ummm, NO!!!! I will be reminding my daughter of the stupid choices she was making when she was with this loser, asking her how loved and cherished she felt while pregnant in prison, asking her why this guy who wants to “fight” for her so hard brought his fiancée with him when they found each other???
Neal didn’t seem at all interested in doing the “honorable” and “noble” thing when he found out about Henry, he didn’t break off his engagement to Tamara. He didn’t seem concerned about choosing Emma over Tamara. And when Emma tried to tell him that something was “off” with Tamara he blew her off – that’s a great way to start their relationship off again.
Now Emma is torn between two men and when it comes to Neal she would prefer he be dead. Yeah, as a mom – Neal is exactly the man I am hoping to call my son-in-law one day.
Pass the rum.
