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Favorite moments? Wow!! Hard to say – this is now my second favorite episode behind Skin Deep. There was just so much good stuff packed into one episode: all the backstory on young Cora, Cora and Rumple’s relationship, Emma and Neal, Gold and Belle, Regina and her mother, Cora getting her heart back, Snow making a decision out of character, Neal and Gold, etc. It was such a great episode.
The only thing I didn’t like (and it really isn’t a dislike, I guess it’s more of an acknowledgment of how well done it was??) was the spinning wheel seduction scene. I love Rumple and I actually prefer the man in his green scales and leather (I know 😳 ), but even though there WAS an element of hotness to the scene – it was also the only time, aside from the very first time we met him, that I have ever found Rumple to be . . . creepy 😮 . I don’t think it was necessarily HIM (I mean, I know it’s not him 😉 ) I think it was the combination of how dark he and Cora were at the time they were having their . . . er . . . moment. It actually made me uncomfortable to watch and I know I was making weird faces and strange sounds during the whole scene. I think I actually held my breath at one point too.
[adrotate group="5"]I have to say, they do an amazing job casting this show. Even my 11 year old son was commenting on what a good job Rose McGowan did playing young Cora – that’s not something he usually comments on (except with Baylee Madison) and I don’t think it was the cleavage 😕 .
She did a fantastic job. I thought she did a great job of portraying enough of what Barbara Hershey would have been like at that age without trying to “act” like Barbara Hershey (if that makes sense). I also thought she and RC had the PERFECT blend of dark chemistry (or lack of chemistry??) or maybe lustful chemistry??? I don’t know what exactly to call what it was that they had 😯 . But, um, they did it and did it well. It wasn’t the same chemistry like Belle and Rumple – it was creepy, morbid, oh-my-gosh-this-is-so-uncomfortable-I-can-hardly-watch-it-without-making-a-weird-face-chemistry.
Under normal circumstances I would happily volunteer to play the part of one of Rumple’s long lost loves. Especially after reading through the script and realizing that a good part of his facial make up will be rubbed away during the “nuzzling” scenes. However after watching the spinning wheel seduction scene, I can safely say that I have found the one scene that is even too sick and twisted for me. Ripping someone’s throat out and stomping on their veins isn’t my idea of whispered sweet nothing’s in my ear 🙁 . Kudos to Rose McGowan for pulling off sinister and psychotic while looking as beautiful as always!!!
Oh my!! Up until this last episode I was so wanting Emma and Hook to end up together. And I honestly felt like Emma and Neal had zilch going on in the chemistry department ever since their first episode together – and then even when we found out that Neal was Bae. But, after the Miller’s Daughter I now want Emma and Neal to end up together. Somehow, I think their chemistry just clicked in that episode. It was the first time I found the thought of the two of them in a relationship together believable and they were actually kind of cute and flirty.
And I loved the scenes with David checking out Neal and asking if everything was ok in Gold’s shop. I could just hear the thoughts in his head “So you’re the guy who knocked up my daughter?!?!?!” But it’s not really something Prince Charming would say out loud right???
I also thought it was a slap in the face. He ripped Mila’s heart out because she chose another man over him. Then Cora rips her own heart out so that she can choose power over him – and he was the one who taught her how to do it. So two women have basically chosen to give their hearts away as opposed to choosing to love him. I think he was horrified that she had physically done it to herself and was emotionally wounded that yet another woman had given her heart away. I felt sorry for him in that scene. He briefly had the same expression on his face as he did when Regina tells him that Belle is dead. Total rejection.
I always go back and forth with Rumple. But I will say, I felt terrible for Regina in the brief moment that she saw what her mother would have been like with her heart. With that said, I don’t really know what better outcome there could have been. Can you imagine that scheming demon as the Dark One???? I doubt that Regina would have survived that, I have the feeling her mother would have felt threatened by her and would have killed her off. There was a bit much going on and emotions were running way too high for Snow to honestly get the idea to put Cora’s heart back in her body so she could become a loving mother – and she had the safety of her own family to worry about, time was ticking – if Cora became the Dark One her entire family would surely have been killed.
I guess I really don’t see ANY way for things to have worked out aside from Cora being killed off. Gold wasn’t strong enough to do it himself. It was a bummer but sadly, I guess that’s what you bring about when you rip your own heart out 😕 . I know this may sound strange but at this point Gold is probably the safest person to be the Dark One. He has years of experience and regret so he knows what he is doing but isn’t dangerous (as in a newborn Dark One manner of speaking). Plus he has Belle and now Bae to keep him in line. Although he is always inclined toward toward darkness, he doesn’t want to let Belle down. And everything he did was done with the goal of getting Bae back so that could change him as we’ll.
I also still think we are missing a LOT of pieces of the puzzle. We obviously aren’t done with the story of young Cora and we still don’t know how Rumple came to know Regina as a baby. I am still not convinced that Regina isn’t his daughter (wouldn’t that be one seriously messed up family tree!!). We don’t know exactly when Regina was born. In some ways I almost felt that his comment to Regina, while inappropriate in it’s timing, may have been the most compassionate and caring thing he has ever said to Regina – even though it was said through his own personal hatred!!!
Did Cora and Rumple love each other? Yes – but only as far as they were capable of understanding love within the context of the relationship they had created with each other.
I am a serious Rumple lover but this episode was a bit much on dark and creepy scale for me and I normally love it when Rumple is in all his leather glory. But I think that was the point. I think this episode was meant to make us feel uncomfortable and say “Something isn’t right here.”
Their entire relationship was based upon NOTHING but revenge and furthering their own agendas. It started out as a business relationship that turned into a teacher/student relationship based upon darkness, hate, and evil. They were attracted to the darkness they recognized in one another and that became the sole basis of the lust/love relationship they shared. Rumple was a secluded outcast who was feared because of his power and Cora found him desirable because she wanted that kind of power. Rumple found Cora desirable because she was the first person who challenged him – but in a dark way, to teach her to be like him. He felt like he would no longer have to be alone. Sound familiar? Belle did something very similar, but in a very different way. She challenged him too and he no longer felt alone, but she (literally) brought light into his palace, whereas Cora joined him in his darkness.
With that said I think that Rumple was truly hurt and actually horrified that Cora had ripped her own heart out. I think he recognized that he didn’t love her the way he loved Mila, but he had to have felt some kind of pay back for ripping out Mila’s heart. He ripped out the heart of the woman he loved because she chose another man over him and now another woman chose to rip her own heart out in order to chose power over loving him – and HE was the one who taught her to do it!!
I think, then, the point of the phone call with Belle wasn’t to give us Rumbelle shippers a warm toasty moment before Gold died but to make a very clear point. Gold said that Belle is the only person who made him ever want to go back to being a better version of himself. Since we all know his history that has to mean that she is the only person who has ever made him want to give up being the Dark One. In other words, he may have loved Cora but not in a way that made him want to be a better man. In fact, he had fun being evil with her. He also told Belle that she is a person who always sees the good in people and if it isn’t there, she creates it. I took this to mean that he was acknowledging what she had always tried to get him to believe, that there was still good in him (what he has had difficulty believing) but that also she has MADE him be a better man. And since he told her that she “really, really loved” him – I think he was saying that she has made him a better man and has made him WANT to be a better man simply because he is completely confident that she loves him – and he was completely confident that she loved him when she knew exactly who he was (when he said she loved an “ugly man” I don’t think he was talking about his physical appearance). He was completely confident that Belle loved him as Rumplestiltskin, yet Cora ripped her own heart out and he still didn’t know if she ever really loved him. That’s the difference between true love and the “love” that Rumple and Cora had. You don’t ever have to question true love. True love doesn’t have it’s own agenda.
Okay, I haven’t been here in quite awhile but I just have to say . . .
LEAST FAVORITE, LEAST FAVORITE, LEAST FAVORITE:
Belle gets shot and falls across the town line into Rumple’s arms and forgets who she is?!?!?!?!?!
Someone please summon to Cora to rip my heart out . . .
@hjbau wrote:
I sort of think it was a mistake in the writing too though they can fix it. I like the Blue Fairy idea. Though it seems bizarre to me that on one hand they seemed to have decided that Rumpel didn’t remember until he heard Emma’s name even though that was never explicitly stated in the show only hinted at, but still they seemed to have decided that, so it seems strange to me that they would forget that when thinking about how Rumpel found Henry. They must have some sort of story behind it.
Sometimes it feels like they are going episode by episode and not looking at the big picture.
You just totally cracked me up because I have this exact same thought during EVERY SINGLE episode of the show!!! And I think it’s weird how we all have these deep philosophical theories on everything but then I’ll think – wait a minute, I don’t think they have even thought ahead that far yet!!! Or we come up with all this dramatic back story on a character but then I think – no, they haven’t even thought to tie any of this together yet!
I agree, it was really odd when K and H suddenly announced that Gold didn’t remember anything until he heard Emma’s name. I mean, fine – if that’s what they wanted to do great, but they probably needed to actually put that information in the show because what about all those people out there who aren’t crazy obsessed like us and don’t watch all the interviews and read the internet forums?? They could be under the impression that Gold remembered all along – that’s what I thought until I saw the K and H interview.
So yeah, sometimes I do wonder – writer’s mistake . . . or me being overly obsessed with the details??
What do I think about Rumple?? I have to laugh at myself when I think about Rumple because I have these long winded marathon theories about his back story and what is sure to be his dramatic redemption. Then I remind myself that he is a fictional character with NO backstory except that which the writers have already created and the details of his future are, for the most part, non-existant.
In general, I love Rumple because I think RC does the most amazing job bringing the character to life. Seriously, I have often thought about what that show would be like with another actor playing Rumple. RC says they pretty much let him do whatever he wants with Rumple which means the character would be completely different if he were played by someone else. I can’t even comprehend the show without Rumple/Gold played the way he plays them. No “Dearies”, no bizarre little giggles and odd little sounds at the strangest times, no RC flavored vocal inflections when delivering Rumple-centric humor, I’m guessing we wouldn’t have anywhere near the closet full of screen shots of facial expressions that just make the scene . . . It’s basically not even the same show!
That’s how I feel about Rumple. 😉
