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Obisgirl – I get stuck the same place you do. The BF and Rumple don’t get along so it would seem strange to have them “work together” to bring Henry to SB. The one way I can get around that, however, is if the BF really needed to get Henry to SB and she was sure Gold didn’t know who he really was I could see her using Gold to get Henry to Regina – basically just using him as the middle man. If Bae is Henry’s father maybe she WANTED Rumple involved in bringing Henry to Regina so that it would have more of an impact on him later on – so maybe he will feel guilty about bringing his own grandson to live with the Evil Queen.

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Oncer – I think that scene was the most frustrating part of the whole show so far for me!! I screamed at the TV when she pulled out the ring. I was like “No. No. NOOOOOOOO.” I don’t know how she could do that, I mean that IS supposed to be the last thing she has of Daniel’s, right? I still think at some point they are going to find a way to bring Daniel back or have flashbacks of him haunting Regina for all of the revenge she has taken on people. Because I agree that Daniel seemed so sweet he wouldn’t have wanted Regina to end up the way she did because of his death.

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I think the writers have opened a huge can of worms with Regina as a mother and I think at least parts of it were done on purpose. Others, I’m not so sure about because I know several adoptive parents who have stopped watching the show specifically because of the Regina vs. Emma issue and I understand why they feel that way.

I’m one who defends Regina – sorry, in advance. If I look at it strictly from a TV show perspective then Regina is nuts and Emma should get Henry. But once I became a parent it became impossible for me to look at things without automatically viewing them through my “mommy glasses.”

When I was younger I probably said a million times “When I’m a parent I will never so and so, or I don’t understand how parents could ever such and such.” But then you have kids and you eat your words. It’s really easy to have a parenting philosophy when you don’t have kids (regardless of what your own family situation was when you were a child) because you don’t get to choose the temperment of your children and the circumstance of your life when you have your children. And it’s easy to judge other people’s parenting because you don’t know their entire situation. That’s where I am with Regina. We have rarely seen any one on one time with Regina and Henry – when we have it has been Regina reinforcing rules at home or trying to console him after his book went missing – both completely acceptable to me. But I don’t feel like we have been allowed to see enough to make any judgements as to what their actual relationship is like and we haven’t seen ANY of their backstory – and I am particularly interested in their backstory prior to Henry receiving the book.

Everyone assumes that it is Regina’s poor parenting that is the reason for Henry’s huge file at Dr. Hopper’s office. There are all kinds of reasons for children to go to counseling – at a young age parents are often trying to get help for kids who are having problems so I don’t assume that Henry is there because he has been messed up by Regina but I also don’t assume he isn’t. As far as people saying Regina never knows where Henry is – from a parent’s perspective, Henry has a serious disobedience issue when it comes to sneaking out and not being where he is supposed to be. That is completely different from Regina not caring where the kid is. This is one of the reasons I am curious about their backstory prior to Henry receiving the book. I want to know what Henry was being seen by Dr. Hopper for before he received the book. Did his disobedience start only after he started to think Regina was the Evil Queen? Were they close before that but he had different issues or was he always disobedient? Did he start to be seen by Dr. Hopper when he realized that he was the only one getting older? That would mess a kid up. So did Regina try to find a way to help him through that or only hide what was going on? Archie obviously didn’t believe him so how did those sessions work? My other questions is – did Regina actually WANT Henry? I don’t think that has ever been addressed since we don’t really know how he came to SB. Did she request a child or did Gold just give one to her?

I do beleive Regina loves Henry, not only from what I have seen on the show but also because Lana always says that how she plays the part. I believed the part in the hospital was authentic. I felt like Regina realized that Henry had confirmed that she was the EQ and she knew he was going to hear HORRIBLE things about her from EVERYONE and this was her last chance to tell him that in spite of what he was going to hear she needed him to know that she does love him. What confirmed that for me was that after the BF told her that she should go hide, she ran out of the hospital, but instead of going to hide she went home, went to Henry’s room, sat on his bed and smelled his pillow – it reminded me of something that parents do after they have a child die. I felt like Regina felt like she had just lost someone else she loved. At that point I don’t think she really cared about hiding.

I don’t agree that Regina has “hurt” Henry in the sense of the word that others use, probably because as a parent I realize that we often have to, or end up, hurting our children all the time. I don’t think destroying his favorite place was bad (it was falling apart and unsafe, I wouldn’t have allowed my son to play there – we tore down a similar structure at our new house but we couldn’t afford to build a new one), if my son was adopted and his birth mother showed up, moved in and started hanging out with him, I would do everything possibly legally to keep her away from him unless it was under my control regardless of how he felt about that (at Henry’s age the decision of how much time to spend with his birth mother should ONLY be up to his mother).

I think it’s a matter of perspective. If I wasn’t a mom myself I would probably look at it differently. Obviously, I agree with everyone that Regina’s murderous sociopath qualities aren’t going to win her any Mother of the Year nominations. 😀

Oh, and just a side note . . . to be sensitive as we do have some adoptive parents on our boards, try to be careful when talking about titles. Technically (unless we find out that the adoption wasn’t legal) Regina is Henry’s REAL mother and Emma is his birth mother.

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Thanks, Josephine. That makes so much more sense now. I love both RC and Lana so it was really bothering me that RC was in the Best Actor category while Lana was in the Supporting category – because, to me at least, I see what they do as pretty much equal in terms of the show; didn’t seem fair that Lana was in the Supporting category. But it makes total sense if both of them are in the Supporting category and if that is how they handle ensemble shows.

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I’m so jealous!! I used to live about 15 minutes away from Disneyland when I was a kid and we used to go there all the time. I left after I graduated from high school and never went back because life took me in different directions. Now I wish I was there again so I could see all the OUaT goodies!!! I’m guessing my husband would think the expense of an impromptu trip solely to gaze upon all that is Once would not be within the household budget . . . 😥

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I’m confused about something (but maybe I misunderstood). When I watched the “at home” interviews with Robert and Lana, it sounded like ABC was submitting Robert for consideration for Best Actor and submitting Lana for consideration for Best Supporting Actress. That confuses me. Why wouldn’t Lana be submitted for consideration for Best Actress?? I don’t consider her a supporting actress at all – I think of her as the MAIN actress on the show because she is the female baddie. The guy interviewing her said something like it was really smart that they were submitting her for Best Supporting Actress so maybe they are thinking she has a better shot at winning in that category? But, won’t the people who would be deciding who the nominees will be also think she isn’t really a SUPPORTING actress so that would actually decrease her chances of even getting nominated? Could the people who decide who the nominees are decide to “upgrade” her to Best Actress if they really like her?

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I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how they have made such a big deal about the curse taking away everyone’s happy endings in SB but really, no one seemed to be too happy in FTL. I have wondered about them doing something really bizarre and having them have Regina and Rumple be redeemed and have everything “end” happily in SB, but then Emma’s final act as The Savior would be use their redemption and her own magic to somehow change the way things were back in FTL and give everyone their happily ever after back in FTL as well. So that would mean that Snow’s mother wouldn’t die young, Regina would be able to marry Daniel and wouldn’t get stuck with Snow’s father so neither Daniel nor Snow’s father would die, neither James nor his brother would have to go pretend to be the King’s son, Rumple would never become the Dark One so he wouldn’t lose Bae, etc. Most importantly Snow and Charming would still “find each other” so Emma would still be “re-born” as the Savior but her parents would actually get to raise her. When we find out who Henry’s dad is (I’m hoping he is from FTL) he and Emma would still end up together in FTL so Henry would still be born but not in a jail and would be raised by his parents in a happy home (not one where he is convinced his mother is the Evil Queen). So Emma would “kind of” choose to sacrifice herself because she would choose to give up the life she has lived up to that point for everyone else’s ultimate happiness (including Regina and Rumple’s), but she would do so knowing that she would be reborn into better life to be raised with her real parents and knowing she will be able to raise her son from birth as well. So the Fairy Tales would, once again, be changed from how we originally thought we knew them. We would see Emma sacrifice herself and “die” and then brief flashes of the changed lives of each of the characters, until we get to Snow and Charming with baby Emma and then maybe flash forward to her as an older child meeting whoever Henry’s father is. End of series.

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I wonder if Jenny noticed that Josh’s lips are just as red in the first picture as they are on the show!!! 😀

What a totally cute picture of them!

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@celesstarr wrote:

2 things:
1)Rumplestiltskin’s wife cannot be Cora. Rumplestiltskin was married hundreds of years ago before Cora was even born.
2)Rumple’s wife cannot possibly have a storyline to appear in Storybrooke because she left Rumple before the curse happened and was not immortal. So, unless she time travels, I don’t think we’ll see her.

If the Blue Fairy and Rumple can be hundreds of years old, I don’t see any reason we can’t add Cora to the multi-century club. We don’t know when Cora received her power/magic so we don’t know how old she is. Just like we don’t know how old the Blue Fairy is.

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@Elle wrote:

I don’t see why Cora would marry Rumpelstiltskin–she thinks (thought?) very highly of herself, and if people ever found out that she had not only been married to a coward, but had left her son, it would have been bad for her. She may have terrorized her husband and daughter, but to the public, she was a genteel, kind woman and mother.
In honesty, I think there is a connection between Cora and Rumpelstiltskin, but not marriage–Cora probably made some sort of deal with him, and that was how she got to her postion. I don’t see Rumpelstiltskin giving her powers–why want competition?
As for Rumpelstiltskin’s wife, I think she willingly left him. In Desperate Souls, the soldiers mocked him for it, and Rumpelstiltskin confirmed it to Bae when the latter asked. She may appear in the series, maybe for some sort of story arc–and if she does make an appearence, it would probably be in the past, not present.

I think The_Savior and I both mean that Cora would have been married to Rumple BEFORE he became the Dark One and BEFORE she received magic from someone. So they were both commoners when they were married (however I think Cora may have wanted to better herself from the beginning) and then in an effort to better herself Cora somehow found a way to gain power and status through magic and ended up ditching Rumple and Bae. I wonder if maybe the connection to Regina is that after Rumple became the Dark One he found Cora hanging out at the palace with Regina, and Regina requested his help to get rid of mommy. He could have initially felt sorry for Regina being stuck with such a horrible mother knowing what Cora is like, but then when Regina killed Cora and she ended up becoming just like her. Regina and Rumple then ended up as frenemies in a power struggle over who has the most power.

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