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  • April 6, 2012 at 12:59 pm in reply to: Cora #141125
    killianhookfan
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    I think the thing you have to be mindful of with this show is saying “that doesn’t make sense because . . .” I love everyone’s theories and I don’t write any of them off because they don’t make sense according to how the original fairy tale is written. That’s why I think Cora was married to Rumple and is Bae’s mother – I am not considering that the original Rumplestiltskin story is an issue that causes a problem with that theory, I’m going by things that Cora said that seem to make sense based upon what has happened so far on the show and based upon things that Rumple has said that seem to fall into place based upon Cora’s comments.

    It would be like saying it doesn’t make any sense for Red to also be the wolf because in the Little Red Riding Hood story the wolf pretends to be her grandmother and talks to her when she arrives at her grandmothers house and that would mean that she is having a schizophrenic episode. On this show they don’t always stick to the original storyline. So even though they have said that Cora is the Miller’s Daughter doesn’t mean that the whole spinning straw into gold thing even happened. They could have twisted it to make it so the Miller’s Daughter married Rumple before either of them had magic, they had Bae and then she LEFT him with her first born when she decided to become powerful. I’m not saying I’m right, but I do think you have to be careful with discounting theories because they don’t follow they original fairy tale.

    That’s the reason I have about four different theories of who August could be. There is no clear cut method of which direction they seem to go in on this show – it’s kind of all over the place. In fact after seeing the episode with Cora I have a theory for August – especially since he mentioned Lemurs (which I actually think he meant Lemures – the spirits of dead ancestors who had unfair deaths now) and I wonder if August could be Daniel who is back somehow to try to end the curse to redeem Regina’s soul. I wonder if his motorcycle represents a horse.

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    April 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm in reply to: Hate Breaks The Curse #141077
    killianhookfan
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    I think weedith is right. I think forgiveness is going to be a big part of breaking the curse but I also think that understanding the love of a child is also going to play right along with that. And I think the story of Regina and Snow White is an example of how the two of those things go hand-in-hand on this show. Everyone agrees that Regina is completely misguided in blaming SW for Daniel’s death but the thing that struck me in the last episode is that I truely think, had Daniel not existed, Regina and Snow would have had a very close relationship – despite that fact that Regina had a hideous role model of a mother.

    It’s interesting to me how much of this show is driven by the choices the characters have made because they believe they are acting in the best interest of their children – regardless of whether they are making that choice from a good or evil place, and regardless of whether that choice ends up having a positive or negative outcome for themselves or for their children.

    I think that Rumple was able to maintain some of his humanity after he became the Dark One because he still had a son and became the Dark One as a direct result of trying to save his son. Regina on the other hand, wasn’t able to maintain any of her humanity when she became evil – she didn’t have a child to love that would give her a reason to fight to maintain whatever part of her humanity she might still have been able to identify with. I think that is part of the reason that Gold brought Henry to Regina. I believe that he is going to try to redeem Regina as well as himself in breaking the curse, and that in order to do so Regina needs to experience a sacrificial kind of love. I think it is the icing on the cake that the child that she loves is SW’s grandson – I think that is where the forgiveness will come from.

    April 5, 2012 at 9:28 pm in reply to: Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis #141072
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    I’m not even sure anyone else even knows Belle is down there. I know Regina used a code or something to get down there but didn’t she go through a door marked “Exit”? I had the feeling only the nurse and the weird guy cleaning the floor work down there so I don’t think even the other hospital employees know about it. So it does seem like an extension of Regina’s dungeons.

    April 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm in reply to: Queen of Hearts #141061
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    One of the things that I noticed when Regina went to Wonderland and was talking about the Queen of Hearts was that she seemed to be talking about her with an annoyance in her voice – not in a manner I would expect her to be speaking if she were talking about her mother. I think she feared her mother when she was young and then hated her when she was older. I don’t think there was ever a time where she was simply annoyed by her.

    To be annoyed with someone I think you have to be either their equivalent in terms in status but have them challenging your position, or they need to be someone who is simply constantly driving you crazy. To me it would make sense that the Queen of Hearts is annoying to Regina because they are both queens and both want to be the most powerful in the land. It makes me wonder if maybe the Queen of Hearts was Maleficent. Kind of a frenemy situation going on.

    But I’m confused on the whole elephant thing myself. They did clearly want her to look like an elephant.

    April 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm in reply to: Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis #141059
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    I would agree that Sidney’s days are potentially numbered – especially now that Emma has figured out who he is working for. Just like Graham, I don’t think Regina has any use for Sidney anymore now that he won’t be able to use Emma to bring info back to Regina. And we’ve seen what Regina does to her “pets” when she no longer has any use for them.

    Also, I believe at Paley Fest someone mentioned the actor who plays Sidney is on another pilot that they were hoping would be picked up. Not sure if it was picked up or not. Kitsis and Horowitz said it wouldn’t be a problem if it was because it would just be a matter of working out schedules but I just don’t see any point to his character any longer now that Emma has figured out what he has been up to.

    April 5, 2012 at 6:54 pm in reply to: Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin Character Analysis #141058
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    @hjbau wrote:

    That ward isn’t really a psych ward. It is more like Regina’s private Storybrooke dungeon i think. I don’t think that anyone could end up there without Regina putting them there.

    I’m a nurse, anything that remotely resembles a psych ward gets called that in my neck of the woods. The dressing room in the bra department at Macy’s reminds me of the isolation tank on the unit I did my psych rotation on in nursing school. So when I need a new bra I head to the “psych ward” as well. I guess from now on I could say I’m heading to the “dungeon” to buy some new lingerie but I’m afraid that might create a reputation I would rather not have for myself . . .

    April 5, 2012 at 6:45 pm in reply to: When Emma DOES believe . . . #141057
    killianhookfan
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    I don’t think I would say that she has started to believe yet. At Paley Fest Jennifer said that the way she would describe it is that Emma has started to figure out that something is not right in SB. I would agree with that statement but instead of saying that she is starting to believe, I would say that she is becoming intrigued with the idea of the book – not the idea of the people in SB being fairy tale characters just yet, just intrigued with how people in SB seem to resemble characters in the book, and now Jefferson has also talked to her about the book.

    First off, she is a bounty hunter and is used to dealing with people who lie and cheat all the time so this is one incredibly skeptical woman we are talking about. Second, even though she is reading the book – and even seems to be reading the book looking for answers – she doesn’t really know where the book came from (neither do we) so she isn’t likely to even make the jump from finding the book might help her in situations like MM’s murder charges to actually believing MM is SW.

    The reason I think that she doesn’t yet believe is that there is really no good reason, aside from the SW fairy tale, for Regina to hate MM so much. And Regina has pretty much shown Emma that she hates MM and wants her ocked up for murdering Kathryn. If I was Emma I would be trying to find SOME kind of reason for Regina to hate MM so much. Emma could see right through Regina’s “friendship” with Kathryn so I don’t believe she would buy that as a reason. As the mayor, I would understand Regina wanting justice but her desire for wanting MM to be found guilty goes beyond that. And if Emma was even remotely starting to believe, I would think we would see her taking a bit of an interest in the SW story and potentially talking to August and Henry more about the book. That may be upcoming in the next few episodes – hopefully so. At least she appears to be aligning herself with the correct people and figuring out who can’t be trusted now.

    April 5, 2012 at 12:23 am in reply to: Will you feel sorry for Regina? #140977
    killianhookfan
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    I just watched the episode again and I have this nagging feeling that somehow (and I KNOW the timeline doesn’t seem to make sense) that Cora was Rumple’s wife. In the scene in the stable right after Cora ripped Daniel’s heart out she is giving this big speech to Regina about everything she has sacrificed for her and she ends it by saying something like “Love is nothing. Power is more important. If you have power you never have to depend on anyone every again.” It just sounded so similar to when Rumple kicked Belle out by saying “My power means more to me than you” as a way of trying to deny that he loved her – as if he heard something similar said to him in a hurtful manner in the past. And based upon what the guard said to Rumple about his wife leaving him because he was a coward who ran from a war – Rumple was a stable-type guy like Daniel who Cora clearly detested and said she had worked her way up from that kind of life, it could be that she felt that Rumple being a poor “coward” was someone she couldn’t depend on so she needed to become powerful. And that could be the reason she left, and Rumple told Bae his mother was dead instead of letting him know what she is really like. So after watching a second time – I do feel sorry for Regina – I think her mother was so wacked and Regina had such a screwed up life that she literally snapped and just totally mentally lost it – and when that happened her mother told her “Well played, I’m so proud of you.” Even more wacked!!! I think that Regina and Rumple became acquainted because they both wanted to get revenge on Cora for how she had hurt them but Regina ultimately killed her and ended up becoming evil because of it. It gives us an entirely new context to when Regina told Rumple “You should get a new girl” when he kicked her out of his house after telling him that Belle had died.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:26 pm in reply to: August and his ankle? #140963
    killianhookfan
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    The part that I keep getting stuck at is that Regina said he seemed familiar. As far as I can tell I don’t think Regina did a lot of socializing with the Gepetto family so I can’t imagine that she would have seen Pinocchio often enough that when the non-wooden adult version rolled into town on a motorcycle and she only saw him briefy from a distance she thought he seemed familiar. For him to seem familiar would imply that she knew him well enough that his mannerisms and persona in general would seem familiar from a distance in a short period of time. I also can’t imagine that she spent a lot of time with a flying boy who didn’t ever want to grow up.

    It would seem that we are looking for a family member, close friend, or someone who spent a great deal of time around the EQ. For some reason I keep coming back to wondering if August is somehow EQ’s father. What if using his heart somehow gave him the ability to to come back as another person? Based on the preview for the next episode it could explain why he could be mad enough to want to kill Gold. First Gold was the one who basically told Regina she needed to kill him, but more importantly if Cora was the Miller's daughter and somehow got her power from deals with Rumple I would think that he would blame Rumple for the way his daughter turned out.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:05 pm in reply to: Why did Rumpel want the curse to happen? #140961
    killianhookfan
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    I think the love of a child is a pivotal key to the breaking of the curse and the difference between how their respective curses have affected Rumple and the EQ.

    Gold has talked to both Emma about how important it is to spend time with your child because they will be gone before you know it, and he has talked to Regina about never underestimating what a person is capable of when they believe thay are acting in the best interest of their child. As we have seen, comments made on this show rarely have only one meaning and those comments point to multiple characters on the show. I think that Rumple was so deeply affected by his relationship with Bae that although he became the Dark One he was able to maintain an element of humanity that we saw with Belle and it appears we will see with Bae according to the photos for the next episode. However when the EQ became cursed she didn’t yet have a child to love in that kind of a sacrificial way so she wasn’t able to maintain any of her humanity.

    I still think that, regardless of what we have seen so far, part of Gold’s/Rumple’s plan is to also help redeem EQ/Regina – and that providing her with a child was part of the plan because she needs to be able to experience a sacrificial love. I do think that it will be especially significant that the child is SW’s grandson and the biological child of the savior.

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