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After watching last night’s episode I find it particularly interesting the position the curse has put Regina in. Snow lost her mother who she dearly loved at a young age. Regina had a horrible mother who clearly messed up Regina beyond repair (and Regina may have been the child that Rumple wanted to take away from Cora). Regina could have been a loving stepmother to Snow. Snow never had the opportunity to be a mother to her own child, Emma who Rumple gave to Regina. Now Regina has the opportunity to change the odd parenting patterns and actually love Henry who is also Snow’s grandson. In some ways has the curse actually caused Snow to provide Regina with a new love? And if Regina is the child that Rumple wanted to take from Cora, I wonder if he feels some kind of bizarre guilt over how Regina turned out because he wasn’t successful in getting her away from Cora.
[adrotate group="5"]I agree with cptcave. It kind of feels like those people who leave cults and have to go through deprogramming before they can function in society again. She seemed to have snapped and then decided to kill everyone who was involved with Daniel’s death. Then she just couldn’t stop being evil – then she started killing people (and things) that weren’t involved with Daniel’s death in order to continue being evil (her horse, her father) and I don’t think she even understand WHY she wanted to be evil or even IF she wanted to be evil at that point. It’s like she needed to go through deprogramming.
BUT – I do feel sorry for her for ONE reason, I think she COULD have been saved except for the fact that I think she did kill her mother and according to Rumple, if you kill someone evil you become as evil as they are. I have the feeling she killed her mother not understanding that. So if that is true, I do feel sorry for her because I don’t think she necessarily has control over her actions the way a normal person would. And I think Regina may be one of the reasons that Rumple wants to do away with magic – not because they are enemies, but because he sees her as a victim as well, even if he doesn’t admit it to her.
It seems like Gold has been in charge of this entire thing so I am leaning toward saying that the DNA test was just bogus all around.
I think it’s interesting though that Gold technically hasn’t done ANYTHING wrong here. Emma told Gold that she wanted to work with him and that she was willing to allow him to use his methods as long as it got the desired outcome – and that she was willing to go farther than Regina would. Regina made a deal which was based entirely around the assumption that Kathryn was dead. So Gold worked with the parameters given to him and somehow managed to get what he needed (whatever that is) while getting Emma what she needed (MM off of the murded charges and Emma is now starting to figure out something is NOT right in SB) plus he managed to show Regina that he is more powerful that she is and she did NOT get what she wanted). As a bonus Emma now believes in August and she has figured out not to trust Sidney, and Kathryn isn’t dead!
I posted on another thread that I think we are missing some other details of the story. I think this is only the beginning of the story. I have the feeling that the reason Regina has harbored so much resentment isn’t entirely because of Daniel’s death. Over that past few episode’s I have felt like I have seem slight moments of regret in Regina of being stuck with being evil – but because she IS evil – those moments are EXTREMELY brief. I think what she is REALLY resentful of is being evil in and of itself. I think that she really blames her mother for Daniel’s death and I think we saw that at the end of the episode. After Regina’s voice changed, she turned back to her mother and realized that the whole thing had been set up by her mother – Snow’s horse taking off was because of her mother’s magic. It sounds like Cora goes to the Castle with Regina. I think Regina kills her mother and inherits her evilness and then ends up blaming Snow for THAT because after she has killed her mother for Daniel’s death she turns her vengence onto Snow, and then recognizes the person she has become. Remember the scene before she decides to rip her father’s heart out? It’s like she has become obsessed – her whole life has become an obsession – and the only person left to blame it on is Snow. By that point she has killed the King as well. I think we will see some other things happen as well. Because Snow seemed to love Regina and was excited about getting a new mother. Yet in later episodes at the castle she seemed almost oblivious to the fact that fact that Regina was there – so something happened that made them almost unaware of each other.
But they are also the “bad” guys and SB is supposed to be the happily ever after for the bad guys according to what Regina to evil characters when she first tried to enact the curse. But I agree – I haven’t seen much happily ever after going on in FTL at all. But remember that Rumple has Love Potion #9 now so anything is possible.
I know everyone is stuck on Rumple’s age but I am thinking this is another one of the liberties they are taking with the fairy tales. I think Rumple and Cora were married before Rumple became the Dark One. I think Cora was power hungry before she somehow gained magic because Regina made a comment about how her mother is always thinking of ways to climb the social ladder or something like that (you don’t need to be evil or have magic to be someone like that). She seems like just the type of person who would leave a husband who runs from a war and would have no problem abandoning a child if she thought doing so would get her something better.
Because of what a horrible person she is I can see Rumple thinking it is better to tell Bae that she is dead than tell him that he was abandoned because she wanted to climb the social ladder. Or it’s possible she found a way to get magic and that’s actually why she left them – not because Rumple ran from a war (he might not have run from the war after all) and he didn’t want Bae to know that magic was more important to her than Bae. Oh Snap!!!!! That’s basically what Rumple told Belle!!!!!! What if that’s what Cora told Rumple before she left him and Bae??????? “My power means more to me than you.” No wonder Rumple looked horrified when he was turning into the Dark One! And no wonder he would want to find a way to do away with all magic!
I love it when theories occur to me as I type!!!
I think we are still missing some more details of the story. Something that bothered me about last night’s episode was that SW seemed to really LOVE the idea of getting a new mother and she really seemed to LOVE Regina. She seemed very trusting and open of her, she seemed to really want her to be happy. When Regina was in her wedding dress she told her that she “was the fairest of them all.”
Fast forward to the “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree.” SW seemed almost oblivious of Regina in that episode. The King basically ignored Regina and said that he couldn’t love her the way he should. The King talked about how he loved his FIRST wife at his birthday party and told SW that SHE “was the fairest of them all” just like her mother used to be – right in front of Regina and Snow didn’t seem to think that was odd, in fact she was flattered. I DID feel sorry for Regina in that episode at that part. I’m a second wife and I thought to myself “Wow, that is incredibly inappropriate and hurtful.” It was the KING’S birthday, NOT Snow’s birthday so it wasn’t an appropriate time to be reminiscing about your dead first wife and how much your daughter reminds you of her – especially in front of your second wife. That seemed strange to me after the way Snow carried on with Regina when she was young. It seemed like Snow would have recognized that Regina’s feelings would have been hurt. So it seems like something else must have gone on. I don’t know if Snow told the King that Regina had been in love with Daniel and didn’t actually love him and that’s why he wasn’t able to love her.
At one point Snow told Regina how much Regina was going to love the palace and Cora said “Oh, I know WE will” so it sounds like Cora is moving there too. So maybe it isn’t just this past episode that is the problem. Maybe when (because I think she probably does) Regina kills her mother because she killed Daniel and she inherits her evilness, she then blames Snow for not only Daniel’s death but for the state of her life. Maybe that’s how Snow finds out that Daniel is dead – maybe Snow knows that Regina killed her mother.
Because at the end of the FTL section last night, even after Regina’s voice changed, Regina turned back to her mother and realized that she had staged the whole thing – that Snow’s horse taking off had been because her mother used magic to make it happen. So right now in FTL, she still DOES blame her mother for everything. Once she takes care of her mother then she can turn her vengence toward Snow. But I still think there will be more that happens between Snow and Regina.
I thought about the age thing too. But wondered if the Blue Fair turned Bae into a wooden puppet that when he turned into a real boy that maybe he turned into a human form based more upon the size of the puppet than on the age he was in his previous human form. So if the puppet was the size of a 6 or 7 year old boy than the human form would end up being 6 or 7 years old – the same age as the kid who found Emma on the side of the road.
EnchantedOne you’re totally right. Several weeks ago I also watched all the episodes again (and took notes – I know, I’m weird) and even in the shows that may seem like “fillers” there are still clues and little tidbits of knowledge given that are important to the main storyline. BUT – I didn’t pick up on those things the first time I watched the episodes (I also wasn’t listening to the Podcasts when the earlier shows aired – the Podcasts are GREAT for picking out all the little things that you might miss just watching the show by yourself).
But, with that said, there are obviously some characters that I don’t care as much about because they aren’t pivotal to the main storyline. But it’s still cool that they are doing a show on all the fairy tale characters. It’s fun to see the twist they put on the characters in FTL and how the create the characters in SB.
