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I really want RH to be Tamara’s father or else RH’s appearance was really random, especially with a pregnant Maid Marian.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Welcome back everyone! This is going to take some time to get used to again.
Rufio’s gotta be a code name for Pan.
I wonder why they’re recasting RH. But if this Thief is RH, then all sings points toward him being Tamara’s father. Does PP have him captive?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@chianna wrote:
I can’t remember this- do PP and his boys know Bae is the DO’s son?
However much he loves Bae I think there are limits to what he will do for him. Magic has been shown to be Rumple’s security blanket, the first chance he has he restores his powers because not having magic makes him feel helpless and vulnerable.
That’s not a knock against the character his conflicting motivations are one of the things I find most interesting about him.At this point we do not have any kind of proof that PP or the Lost Ones have any idea about how Bae is. BUT, I strongly suspect that PP knows because he has seen who Bae will become: the father of Henry with Emma, and I think PP wants either both or one of those people.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Kranen wrote:
So this promo for Manhattan / The Queen is Dead is so bloody stupid.
My favorite part is all the shots of NYC.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@KFChimera wrote:
I would like a storyline about power struggles in SB, but it could work with them trying to rebuild in FTL too. I do want action and adventure to continue in some way. I want there to be some new big puzzle–like Oz or how to stop the Ogres.
I want Oz so bad! 😆
The power struggle thing will probably always be around. Reformed or not, Regina still sees herself as a Queen and it will be hard giving up ruling.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Least favorite: Moe, as of The Crocodile. He can rationalize it all he wants, what he tried to do to Belle was horrible.
Favorite: Obisgirl said Charming and I fully agree. I’m also very fond of pre-DO Rumple and Baelfire.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes I’m aware of what A and E said. But all seasons bleed together, they have to in order to create a cohesive story. Season one ends with Rumple bringing magic and S2 is all about the consequences of that action. I think the roots and foundation of THO and how it relates to PP will be explored in depth for the first half. But there has to be something that ties the 1st half and the 2nd half together. As much as I want them to really pay attention to the relationships, that’s not how shows like OUAT work. They can’t put aside mythology and danger and just work on the relationship aspect. Eddy even said something similar at Paley this year where he said he’d love to write the scene where Emma and Snow go shopping but that it’s about story. I do think we’ll get a bit of a breather in the 2nd half, but there has to be a big bad, there has to be danger. My leading candidate is THO in order to tie the two halves together.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"For those who need a reminder, here’s the prophecy.
Seer: You will be reunited with your son, and it will come in a most unexpected way.
Rumpelstiltskin: How?
Seer: A boy… A young boy will lead you to him. But beware, Rumpelstiltskin, for that boy is more than he appears. He will lead you…to what you seek. But there will be a price. The boy… Will be your undoing.
At the time Henry made sense because Rumple was reunited with Nealfire in Manhattan. But now Rumple and Nealfire have been separated again and I think this reunion is what the Seer had in mind. And that boy…gotta be PP. I think the Seer was working for PP, either by choice or forced, I’m not sure yet.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@BetsyPagie24 wrote:
Hmm, I tend to think the Home Office is part of the first half story and that it will end when the first half does. Adam/Eddy said that each 1/2 season will be completely separate, with beginning, middle and ends. The Home Office part of the story will involve Belle protecting the town.
I really prefer them to concentrate on relationships and forget outside danger – we’ve dealt with that enough as is.
Ah, but then who is the big bad? We need one to move into the finale of S3 and into S4. THO is in both worlds and I do think Belle is going to have her hands fulls fighting them during part one. But I think that war will escalate in part 2 and everyone–the entire cast–will have to flee to another land (please be Oz, please be Oz). S4 will take place, mostly, in this new land and then S5 finds back in FTL to take down the Ogres and any kind of ultimate big bad.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"First off, how about a round of applause for Kat and her magical mice for writing the longest post in the history of these forums?? 😆 😉
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He’s been out for himself for a long time and I agree, it’s very helpful to him to find the one person who can help him believe in himself again, even if it’s just as a friend. Yes he had a very contemplative moment with Regina trying to convince her that maybe she was heading down the wrong path and it didn’t work (and then she tried to kill him and he had no problem letting her die to sacrifice herself for everyone else if she wanted to). I don’t see hope for these two for anything much simply because together, in their depths of despair and revenge and all of it, they would be toxic. To me it would be like having Rumple with Cora. Hook showed us that he is realizing how bad of an idea wasting your life on vengeance is and is moving away from all of that. I have hope that Regina will do the same and is a little bit, but I don’t see these two being best buddies anytime soon, if ever (and frankly I hope not – I see nothing positive in their interaction other than it shows that Hook is yet another person trying to help Regina out and she once again didn’t take the offer). I have hope she will in the future, but both are easily swayed to darkness and need someone lighter to help keep them on the right path. Hook is realizing that right now and I hope it continues, whereas because of Regina’s desire to get Henry back, she may slip and do “whatever it takes” which could cause conflict with the others on the ship. They all want the same thing, but will differ on their methods and I could see Regina and Rumple going up against the Charmings for sure. I’m not sure what Hook will do but I’d like to see him show he’s learned his lesson rather than pull a Regina.
I’m not 100% on the HookedQueen ship (Hookriel man…I blame Phee for this). I think it’s an interesting exploration because I think unlike Cora and The Dark One (which is what Rumple totally was when they met) both of them aren’t as wicked as those two. AND for what it’s worth, Rumple changed when he fell in love with Cora. He started to become the man we see more clearly when he’s with Belle. Who is to say that love wouldn’t have changed Cora? Who is to say that love wouldn’t change Regina and Hook if they experienced it together? I think there are facets to Regina and Hook (and Emma and Neal) and that they are all very much alike which is why there is no clear ship for these four, why we keep having the debate. If it were cut and dry like Snowing or Rumbelle there would be no need for this, now would there?
She also didn’t need to let him literally single-handedly bandage her hand but she let him take care of her (just like with Graham) and she didn’t have to pull him into an embrace to keep him from the tripwire, she could have just pulled him back a little. The closeness to him was affecting her and I’m not sure how at least a little bit of tension between them went undetected by so many unless the flashbacks were just too captivating. I agree that in the flashbacks Neal had his moments so I can see why that obviously happened for some (can’t say I personally was too impressed even though I went in expecting to love him once we knew it was Bae because I absolutely love young Bae). I just felt that the tension between Hook & Emma was a little more obvious than it apparently was – hence the confusion I guess. I get why it was obvious that SF were sweet together back in the day before outside forces split them apart and it makes for a sweet story so it was a good starting point for that relationship as well for sure. I was far more torn after Tallahassee (even though I was already in love with CS) and it wasn’t until after that and present day that I really flipped the switch. I definitely felt more connected to what was happening in her life today than what happened years ago other than to how deeply it was affecting her though.
This is all very true and I think you’ll find that most of the “rational” SF’ers totally see all the feelings–whatever they may be–between Hook and Emma. Actually, over on our thread, most of us agree that Hook and Emma will have some sort of romantic interlude and that it will most likely happen right toward the end of the first half of S3, after fighting PP and saving Henry. They recognize themselves in the other, there is no denying that. It’s just a question–in my opinion–of is that enough? My best friend and I, for example, are soul mates. We recognize that we are very much alike, that we have a lot of the same traits and that there is a great deal of love between us. But there is nothing romantic or sexual. I can see CS going that way, brief romance or not. I think part of Emma will always wonder if it would have worked out with Neal. I think part of her will always want to know if she could have gotten Tallahassee with him if they tried. And until that is fully explored, whatever happened or didn’t happen with CS is going to be on the back burner.
I know people hate his innuendos and don’t think he treats Emma iin a special way (and I certainly don’t think he’s in love with her yet) but there was a LOT of built up tension in Tallahassee. The Handwrap (reminiscent of Willabeth in PotC and Rapunel/Flynn in Tangled, also of Graham helping clean her wounds after her fight with Regina), the embrace that she fought against but not hard enough (enough to show she was fighting it, not enough to actually put a stop to it) – let’s face it Emma would just punch somebody if she didn’t want certain types of attention. She certainly threatens it enough. It reminded some of us of when she was so adament that she wasn’t upset by the Graham/Regina stuff (to the point where MM felt the need to tell her she was the only one unaware of her feelings for Graham) but clearly wanted to open up and give Graham a chance and eventually did so (albeit a little too late *sniffle) but all of that piled together is why CSers love Tallahassee just as much as SFs do. Hey at least we can agree on something, right?)
Without going into a lot of it, I recently rewatched PotC and saw a ton of SF parallels with Willabeth with Hook playing the role of Jack. We talk about parallels a lot in the fandom with out ships, it’s only natural. But looking for parallels is a little bit like cloud watching: you may see a man in a hat, and I may see a giraffe but at the end of the day that cloud is neither, it’s a cloud. The writers may draw distinct parallels that are intentional, but a lot of times I think the fans are looking for parallels and will find them even if they don’t exist at the hands of the authors.
When they showed reaction shots on the dock right before everyone got on the ship, they made a point of showing Snowing, Rumbelle, & Hook/Emma. That’s 2 canon couples and then one potential one. They didn’t include Regina standing with anyone as a couple. They showed the couples. I feel like there’s *at least* a good foundation for the possibility of something which is what sets up the triangle (and again there’s a much longer list, I’m just addressing the points made here).
Well that’s true but out of everyone on the JR, Regina is–to me–the most outcast. Snowing will never quite trust her, and Emma’s going to be keeping her eye on her. Hook may have opened up to Regina but he is closer to Emma right now, so that could be the reason. Again, cloud watching metaphor.
Likewise as much as we CSers love to hang onto the fact that the promo department used footage of CS in its Timeless Love promo and not SF, they just can’t be taken seriously because of all their past screwups. I was happy to see that they used #HookTheHero around finale time but they could not have been more wrong earlier on – if anyone is delusional with regards to the show, it’s the people running the promo department. Hopefully we can all agree about that at least!
Gosh, someone remind me. When did that video come out? Cause I’m pretty sure Neal hadn’t been seen since Tallahassee yet. I think they were trying very hard to keep his story shut up because they didn’t want to reveal that you’d be seeing him again so soon and putting him in that video would have tipped off the audience and maybe ruined the surprise that he was more important that you thought (if you’re not you know…us).
The last few times SF has been broached to me personally, it hasn’t been in the best of light and has usually just made me more defensive of my ship and focus on the points that I’ve had to use to explain why I like it (especially when anybody who asks then turns around and says that Colin is hot and that’s what you really meant to say *eye roll* – so glad to know that some SFers think he’s hot too – cause let’s face it, he is – but that’s not a reason to ship someone. I am more than happy to enjoy his hotness without having it affect my ship and I’m kinda sick of seeing people say “well whoever ___ ends up with better be hot!” Sometimes people surprise you and the more you get to know them, the better looking they become!)
*laughs because I’ve has been privy to most of these really outlandish attacks and it’s really quite tragic what my fellow shipmates on different social media do*
I do think there are many valid points that have been brought up about Neal and all it does is give me hope that I go back to being torn so that I can be happy regardless of her choice and more importantly UNDERSTAND her choice
Absolutely. If CS is endgame and TL then they better make me understand it. Because right now I see the potential for a romance–albeit a brief one–for nothing more because I think the revelation that Neal is alive is going to change a lot of things for a lot of people.
I really think all August told him was that he’d let him know when he could go and find Emma. (I can’t remember if he JUST said the postcard or if he said you can go find her after it’s over, does anybody have the quotes from those 2 interactions?
Neal: And one more thing – if anything changes, and she does her job, this insanity ends, and she’s free…
August: I’ll send you a postcard.
Can I get on board with HQ right now? Not remotely. Could it happen someday? Maybe. Will I like it more when people aren’t cramming it down my throat as simply a way to get Hook out of the way so SF can happen? ABSOLUTELY.
And of course, conversely: Can I get on board QueenFire right now? Not remotely. Could it happen someday? Maybe. Will I like it more if I didn’t see people say, ‘if this happens then CS is free?” ABSOLUTELY.
*moves on to part 2*
Believe when I say it’s not easy to be a CSer sometimes and that we are very small in number, especially around here. So while I am happy for SF people when they do get moments and they get to celebrate, it’s equally difficult to hear “get over your ship” when a CS person mentions anything positive either. Just because we’re outnumbered doesn’t mean we don’t exist! I’m feeling slightly better *right now* thanks to this thread about how things may go down when we finally get S3 but I will freely admit I’m dreading the livechats knowing that Hook & Emma basically have to interact since they’re on the same ship / mission because there has been so much bad blood between them when we all just want Emma to be happy.
Interesting. I actually feel that most of our regulars on the forums are CS’ers. Their thread is about ten times as busy as the SF thread. The livechats…they are a different matter and you and I have discussed that at length. On other social media, I think it’s split 50/50.
All of that being said I just took a look at the voting since that is what this thread was originally about and I’m sure most seeing this are skipping past the discussions at this point (not that I can blame them). I just wanted to remind people, I am NOT arguing that they were a legit couple on the show, I just don’t agree that only those 3 were options as it eliminates others that are either definitely TL or were at some point or another definitely a couple and am NOT saying that CS needs to be up there (yet) – just for anyone coming in late to the thread. The debate initially was only ever whether they *should* be included as an official TL couple / actual couple right now / supercouple of the show (meaning a front-running canon couple that is definitively TL) and I’m inclined to believe that this last category is what was used since Cinderella/Thomas and Philora weren’t used in it. If the list had been a full list of all couples ever shown to us in any capacity, then it would truly be a pick your favorite “legitimate” couple ever shown as a couple on the show poll and I wouldn’t take issue with it at all.
Hence why I sounded like a lunatic for the first few pages on this thread. I was like: PANIC! PANIC!
Closing remarks:
My motto has always been Ship and let Ship. Some ships make no sense to me, I’ll admit. I’m like, I don’t understand that one at all. But if it works for you, then by god you ship your little shipper heart out.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
