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@BetsyPaige24 wrote:
It will be interesting to see what they do with the 2nd half of the season. I suspect since the first half seems to have a lot of adventure and……villainy in it, that the 2nd half (hopefully) will be more about relationships : between parents and children, between romantic partners (I will be bitterly disappointed as well if Belle is not a bridge between Bae and Gold), between the townspeople and the “leaders”…….. There’s going to be a sea change in SB, that’s for sure. Nothing will be the same. While the Charmings are gone, people who haven’t been given a chance to step up and do big things will be given that chance – and they aren’t going to want go back to being wallflowers when the JR returns.
I agree. I think the end of the first half will see the JR and company come back to SB where Belle and Nealfire waiting for them and then it will be all about relationships and fighting whatever danger is coming for them–in my head it’s the Home Office that exists in this world (in my crack theory it’s being led by Dorothy because they’ve hinted at Oz an awful lot for us not to have seen it or the characters yet)
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"No. They will keep Snow White as Snow White but give her character development. The first phase of this was participating in the murder of Cora, leaving her heart dark in that spot. The next phase is seeing how far that darkness goes and that will probably be followed by watching Snow come to grips with the knowledge of what she has done and live with her now darkened heart.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@HappyEndings wrote:
You know what is strange too, if the BF had that cloaking spell why didn’t she recloak the town after Emma broke the spell to protect the town especially when they didn’t know about Greg no one brought her up I wonder why ❓
Also, why didn’t Snow go to the BF for help on her heart ❓
Because plot device BF is plot device-y. All of those questions are relevant but it doesn’t have anything to do with Blue herself, in all honesty. In order to advance the plot, they needed GOAT to come to town in order to set up S3 so Blue couldn’t put any kind of barrier/cloaking spell or else we wouldn’t have had a storyline.
And with the heart: because magic cannot cure a black heart. I doubt Snow’s heart will ever go back to the way it was. Snow has to learn to live with what she’s done and know that she too is capable of deception and manipulation.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@HappyEndings wrote:
@PriceofMagic wrote:
BF’s cloaking of the bean field spell was flimsy at best, Regina removed it with just a wave of her hand and no effort. Would it really be such a good idea to leave the protection of the town to BF’s shoddy cloaking spell?
But that is because Regina knew it was there others wouldn’t know the town is there beside the BF is going to have to help Belle cast the new curse anyway because Belle has no idea how to do it. 🙄
Possibly. We don’t really know what this cloaking spell entails. It could be just reading the scroll outloud. Not giving the BF isn’t a matter of trying to make her look suspicious, it’s because they needed Belle to stay behind for whatever story they’ve got planned in S3.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"With Rumple: He didn’t think there needed to be a spell to protect the town. No one but Emma suspected GOAT. They all just thought Greg was a harmless but annoying tourist who wouldn’t leave and Tamara was Neal’s finacee so that’s why she was there. They never suspected that GOAT work for THO.
With the BF and her spells: two different spells. She could return August to his little boy self without needing any of his hair because she had done it before and all she needed was her wand. With Sneezy and Belle, it was a memory spell. Two different spells that needed two different things.
With the BF and her cloaking spell: Because Plot Device Fairy is Plot Device-y."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Not sure if this had been posted already but here is the official ABC video from Monte Carlo, featuring Mr. Colin.
http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/06/abc-shows-at-monte-carlo.html
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Phee wrote:
Yes, I do wish they’d have addressed this. Maybe it was scheduling problems? Sometimes it seems that Alan Dale has guest starred on every show, (I still think of him as Mr Robinson from the Aussie soap Neighbours he was on back in the 80s), so maybe they just couldn’t get the timing to work?
Possibly. It could also be that this was around the point in the story where A and E began to rework S2 to lead up to NL and THO. If they had planned on Snow and Emma staying in FTL longer, then they would need more going on in SB until the girls returned. George could have been a more threatening villain until Snow and Emma returned home with Cora and Hook following.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Phee wrote:
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
Also, technicall, even if he’s still cursed, he still has the choice as to his behavior……Isn’t it actually better if Gold becomes that best version of himself even without the curse actually breaking? It makes him, by doing so, much stronger than the curse -and frankly I think that would be a very powerful thing. The curse didn’t destroy him – it couldn’t, because he was such a good, kind and incredibly loving man with a huge heart. So if it never really destroyed him, he can overcome it. I believe in him. I believe he is a beautiful soul and that he may struggle, but his desire to become his best self will triumph.
Ideally, yes. But the way I’ve always thought of his curse is that it’s more than just a bad influence, it’s actually a parasite that latched on and fundamentally altered him. So in that sense, I think it’ll take more than just willpower for him to completely overcome it, he actually has to have it removed.
I think it will need to be a combination of both sacrificing his darkness and having it removed from him. And I think that is where PP and the prophecy of undoing is going to come in. Rumple sacrifices his Dark One’s self to save his grandson.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Demileto wrote:
Honestly, connection to so many stories is hardly a testment of guilty to me, it just means that she’s the default fairy they use whenever they want good magic to play a role in the story. The only moment that she’s played a somewhat relevant role in defining future events was the Rumple/Bae one in “The Return” and even that one was more the fault of Rumple than her.
Right, sorry. Those two ideas were separate in my head, I should have made that more clear. I’ve been suspicious of her since Dreamy and it only solidified in The Return and The Stranger. She is very much the “default” fairy but it’s her actions when they use her that make her suspect, not that she has a lot of connections.
I just think that of the two, the BF and the Duke, the former is much more likely to be an evil mastermind given her past behavior (and to some extent the fact that she’s a much more established character)."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@MysteryKat25 wrote:
At this very moment I don’t see how either guy could easily be just friends with Emma to be honest. Neal made a go of it when he was with Tamara for Henry’s sake (and they got along great which gives me hope they can have a relationship of *any* kind down the line because HENRY was their focus) but the feelings were obviously still there (though the fact that they were still there and they were able to get past it enough for Henry is encouraging should he end up on the outside – though I do hope if he does he finds love as well and I think whoever is left will and they will be better suited for that person. As I said earlier, sure Rumple & Milah breaking had a massive affect on things, but they were not suited for each other at all. Rumple found his true love in Belle so I have hope for whoever gets left behind.)
On the flip side Hook & Emma have this connection and when she’s in a room she is literally all he looks at. If you go back and watch the finale he barely talks to anyone else and is constantly drawn to her. When he came back, he offered HER everything and then dealt with everyone. When a group saw the ship coming back, they focused on HER reaction.
Whether they can be friends down the line I just don’t know. I’m sure he’ll be just as confused as anyone when Neal returns even though he’s been drawn to Emma from the start (he seriously lights up when she’s around and it’s like nobody else even exists) and now he’s learning that her heart was broken by Bae and he’s helping to rescue their son, but he’s also got the experience of believing the one you once loved to be dead and if he’s honest with himself, would probably jump at the chance to see her again (though he is in the process of moving forward from that by doing the right thing and setting aside his revenge to help Emma get her son back – he’s making signficant progress which gives me hope for him finding love again someday, regardless of who that is with). So he knows what Emma is going through and when Neal is back in the picture he’ll want her to figure out what she wants AND not want to hurt Bae more. (Sadly one of them will have to be hurt, regardless of which one gets what they want and I want their relationship to be repaired as I adored their scenes together).
It took me forever to get through these posts, and mostly I’m letting KFC and Phee do the SF response because I agree with everything they say but I’d like to respond to this part.
I have to agree with what Phee said. There is no denying that Hook has a connection to Emma, they are very much kindred spirits but as of right now I don’t think Hook has any romantic interests in Emma. He is only just now, as of The Evil Queen, beginning to realize that his quest for revenge and his Milah holdup are preventing him from having a life and being liked, let alone loved. He recognizes that Emma and he are similar but, from my own personal POV, it’s not romance. It’s like finding that one person in the room who you can be friends with because you have a lot in common. I personally do not see Hook lighting up every time he is around Emma; I think he is drawn to her because they do have a lot in common but also from a practical standpoint: she is only person he can talk to without getting hit. Who else is he going to interact with? He and Regina, again in my view, a much more serious connection with each other in the mines while discussing their respective “evil” selves. In that scene he was the same kind, contemplative man he is when he’s around Emma, because like Emma, he and Regina understand each other. I’m also not trying to say that Hook and Emma couldn’t be romantic. There is chemistry between them and I think he genuinely likes her, just not in a romantic sense. Not yet, at least.
Kat you make note that in the diner scene and then later at the docks, Hook is only interacting with Emma, only talking to her, only looking at her and I agree with that. But I also think it’s worth noting that he doesn’t really know anyone else at that point. Him talking to Snow and Charming about turning and running doesn’t make any sense because Snow and Charming would never turn and run like he and Emma have been wont to do. It also has to be Emma because she is going to be the one to tell him about Baelfire which is Hook’s entire impetus for turning the ship around. At the docks it’s the same thing, Emma and Hook have both made the decision to stay with the other of FTL, but in my personal viewing, it has nothing to do with each other but rather with Nealfire and Henry. Both are staying because they owe it to their respective sons.EDIT (based on something I just read)
It was suggested that Hook came back for both Bae and Emma, the bean in the finale symbolizing Emma. It’s an interesting interpretation and I can understand how someone might come to that conclusion; their first real interaction together was going in search of the bean. But might I offer a different one? The bean in this case is a symbol of freedom. With the bean, Hook could go wherever he will, free to sail off back to NL and live out his life as a pirate. Like Emma, Hook is great at running. He is a pirate, it’s in his nature. He could use the bean to revert back to his old ways, but we have to keep in mind that this episode is post-The Evil Queen where Hook has a bit of an epiphany: maybe he doesn’t want to do this anymore. So the bean is a symbol for freedom and his old life but it’s also a symbol of another choice, being tied to people. He knows that if he turns around and goes back to SB, he is forever tied to the CharmingStiltskins and Regina. By aligning himself with them he is forsaking his old life and moving on to the next phase. That phase could very well include Emma, I’m not trying to say it’s not. But like I said above, I don’t think that *right now* his mind is on Emma in a romantic sense. He first has to take the step of being connected to people in a long term sense; he had an alliance with Cora but he was almost glad to be rid of her when they arrived in SB. She was a means to an end, nothing more. I doubt Hook has had any sort of real honest to God connection with people since Milah and Bae left.
Just some more food for thought. And I have to second Kat that I’m glad we’re all having this conversation without it turning into a screaming match. I’ve tried to follow SF/CS debates before in other places and they always fall apart and turn into: “I hope Neal is dead!” “Hook’s a bad person!” “GRR HISS SPIT!”"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
