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Trying to do this from a less than stellar computer…forgive me if my response aren’t up to my usual abilities.
S3A
Favorite Episode of the Season
Favorite episode of 3A is probably Nasty Habits. I’m such a sucker for father/son dynamics on this show and this one delivered. I loved Neal finally being in Neverland, taking charge against Felix and Pan, loved his reunion with Rumple, and even their shouting match. Neal asserts his own identity and that what matters most to him is Henry. To me, it was a very well written, well performed piece. I loved Bobby and MRJ’s interactions.
Honorable mentions go to Going Home and Ariel.
Favorite Character Introduced
Pan without any hesitation. He’s still my favorite villain the show has ever had (though Cora is a very close second). Robbie Kay simply knocked it out of the park. I wasn’t sold on him being Rumple’s father (brother would have made soooo much more sense) but there’s no denying that Robbie did a phenomenal job as Peter.
Favorite Moment of the Season
Anything involving Neal and Emma being adults and trying to raise their son together. I also tend to get overly weepy at the town line scene when Emma has to say goodbye to her mom and dad.
Do you think the show spent too much time in Neverland, or too little?
Honestly, too little. Or maybe to put it a different way: they spent too much but not enough of it was fleshing out the world and characters of Neverland. We’re left with so many questions from that arc and we’ll likely never get any of them. Neverland began to annoy my eyes because it was so freaking dark and looked the same every week.
What were your thoughts on Rumple’s sacrifice against Peter Pan?
Um…I cried for like a day or two. I thought it was perfect and rather beautiful. And, if I’m being totally honest, he should have stayed dead.
Regarding this Season, has your opinion changed at all looking back?
Slightly. I enjoyed 3A a lot when it aired but now looking back, I like to think of this as the season when “my” show ended a new show began, one that I’m not too fond of. 3A signals, for me, a shift in the themes of the show. It rebooted the show to OUAT version 2.0. So I have very fond memories of 3A but there is a level of bitterness because to me it’s when the show really ended.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Glad to see Bobby there. Bex looks gorgeous!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I spilled coffee all over my laptop this morning and needless to say, it’s dead. I’ll be absent (or at least not a frequent visitor) for a few days. See everyone soon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"While I don’t think that OUAT will be cancelled, I won’t be surprised if they move the show to a different night. While the ratings are relatively good, 1.3-1.5 is not a good lead in for a night and it won’t give a chance to new shows that will air after OUAT, just as we saw this year with Blood and Oil and Quantico.
That I don’t see happening. It’s the most successful Sunday show they’ve had in years.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think it says that males can’t truly be friends without some ulterior motive. I think the show’s need for “strong women” has gone too far to the point that it is sexist to men. The men aren’t equal to the women, they’re attachments. They’re the damsels in distress.
This is a fantastic point, I think. It’s harmful to women because a strong woman doesn’t need “arm candy.” She can have meaningful, considerate, passionate, relationships with anyone without one of them needing to be subservient. It’s harmful to men because their stories make them look weak (Charming), foolish (Robin), or evil (Hook)–with Rumple falling somewhere in that vicinity.
I think this mainly results from a massive misunderstanding of what is at the heart of feminism. Not that women are better than men and should be treated as such, with men become the submissive and demure sex for once–but that men and women are equals. They are capable of the same greatness and capable of the same faults. And it takes both of them to make a community.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’ve always wondered what the repercussions of not complying with the network would mean? I mean, would they cancel the show or would they fire A&E and replace them or….? I mean if there are no serious consequences, I dont see why A&E would stand u and tell the story they want to tell.
Networks have fired creators/showrunners and replaced them with someone who will give the network what it wants. Usually this is better ratings or a more coherent story. Look at “Revenge” on ABC. The show runner was dismissed after 2 because of a really mind boggling storyline and a low ratings. A new person was brought in to “fix” the show. It lasted two more years but the damage was done and it was cancelled. The show runner for Sleepy Hollow “stepped down” (kind way of saying fired) at the end of S2 and the show was given to a new guy who was tasked with giving the show a new direction.
So the answer to your question is that, yes, show runners can be fired from their own project by a network if the network think it has a better shot at more money (better key eyeballs = better ratings = more ad money) with someone else who will follow the network’s vision.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, I think you got the wording better than I did, but the point about Henry remains: there was no plan for him. In Rumple’s AU, Henry simply doesn’t exist.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think Jane talks mostly about Joss. It was known that Joss had to fight with network executives to get what he wanted, I remember specifically Willow and Tara’s relationship. On the other hand, A&E work for a much powerful company, abc/Disney, compared to the company Joss worked for, theWB/20th Century Fox.
Oh for sure. Joss had a very hard battle, everything from Willow/Tara to just keeping the show alive. But if that’s Jane’s philiosphy I do wonder what she thinks about some of A and E’s decisions; you (or someone?) linked to some tweets that appear to throw some shade at the show, possibly. She’s worked on two very basic broadcast shows: Buffy and OUAT. It would be hard to *not* compare showrunning styles.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"disagree. For the dark curse to work, Pan would’ve needed to sacrifice the heart of the thing he loved most which was Felix, anything less wouldn’t have worked eg Regina tried to sacrifice her horse but in the end had to sacrifice her father.
I don’t quite agree because I think genuine friendship means not sacrificing the friend’s heart and to quote episode 5×10 “there’s always a loophole”, but for the sake of argument and this thread, let’s go with it:
if this is the single genuine male-male friendship we’ve seen on OUAT, what does THAT say about gender depictions–specifically masculinity–on this show?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"With regards to Jane and showrunning/who’s dictating behind the scenes, she once said (back in 2014)
A showrunner has to have a bit of dictator in them and has to be able to say, “Yeah, I know you don’t think you quite have enough work with it. I know you’re not happy. Deal with it.” You have to be willing to piss people off, willing to make the unpopular decision. I think it’s a job that requires a lot of toughness. I think it requires a willingness to offend because you’ve got to see the people that are standing between you and your vision.
I suspect A and E don’t have the backbone Jane is describing. They caved to popularity, fandom demand (or what is perceived as fandom demand) and what ABC thought was best. Sold their vision and story for shiny, in other words.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
