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Question: There is a rumor going around Twitter that Sean Maguire (aka Robin Hood) has quit Once Upon a Time. Is it true? —Linda
Ausiello: That’s an excellent question for me to hand off to Matt Mitovich as he heads north for the show’s 100th episode party. Four out of five doctors recommend hourly visits to TVLine for a person in your predicament.http://tvline.com/2016/02/18/gilmore-girls-season-8-spoilers-revival-logan-jess-ask-ausiello/
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neil Gaiman did it, why can’t OUAT, right?
I want you to re-read this fragment and tell me what’s wrong. 😉
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"actually I enjoyed Charming’s Siege Perilous episode bc I actually could understand why he would want to be more than just a Prince who woke Snow White with a kiss
I really enjoyed that moment as well. It gave Charming some much needed color; I just wish that idea would keep playing out. That’s one of the biggest problems with Snowing as a whole; the writers set up some nifty and meaty ideas but then never see them through, choosing instead to focus on other ideas, other characters, other plots.
I think the big deal with the Lily Egg is that it crosses some sort of understandable line. You said “good guys make mistakes” and absolutely they do. But where’s the line between understandable mistake and unforgivable error? I just think there’s something wrong when in order to give the villains sympathy you have to tear down the people who are the definitive heroes of the show. But you’re right that it was also just a really horribly plotted storyline that made Snowing look more like villains but also like bumbling fools (putting darkness into a dragon strikes you as a good idea…?)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And if this is Emma centric, are we not getting a Hades episode? Once again, it makes me think Hades’ episode is actually “Devil’s Due” and it morphs with Rumple’s story and Milah.
We still have three episodes after this one. 22/23 will likely be an all-around-centric so that leaves 21 as a Hades centric if not 14. It’s possible to conflate a Rumple and Hades centric, but they tend to give the villain-of-the-arc their own centric without much interference from other characters, at least since S3A:
–Think Lovely Thoughts (feat. baby Rumple)
–It’s Not Easy Being Green
–The Snow Queen
–Poor Unfortunate Soul (feat. Hook)
–Sympathy for the De Vil
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Meant to mention this above, but Persephone wouldn’t be too far afield for Disney : https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/persephone-disneys-first-princess/
As Jiminy points out, the Snow White special mentioned it as well.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wanted to come back to something Keb wrote above:
As I said earlier, we have seen all the leading men in tears, and we have seen two men raped (via magic)
The reason I’m bringing this up has to do with what I said a page back: it’s hard for me to ignore everything A and E have said outside of the show concerning what is happening in the show. Yes, we’ve seen two men raped but if you were to ask A and E, they deny it being rape at all. With Graham and Regina, they could be playing Scrabble (according to Adam) since we never saw what went on in the room during those council meetings (insert my massive eye roll here) and with Zelena and Robin, it was called a vile thing, and Robin was called unwilling, but they purposefully get around calling it rape.
We’ve also seen women raped–either because they get drunk and led back to a place for sex (Hook’s tactic he told Emma about in S3 finale), because they are scammed (Cora and Jonathan and of course Cora here says that she gave away her virtue to him), and in the case of Guinevere are mind raped (and as far as I’m concerned straight up raped since I’m sure Arthur was still claiming his “rights” as a husband from his now more pliable wife).
My point, in our discussion of gender, is that the writers are not actively trying to say anything about gender roles. These rapes, which could in theory be used for a discussion of gender, gender equality, and power dynamics, are simply used as plot points without any conversation happening about said plot point and its relationship to gender. They are simply written in to advance the plot to the endgame without pausing to think or acknowledge.
In other words, they show men raped but they never acknowledge it to be that and never have any sort of worthwhile fall out. They show women raped, but they never acknowledge that it is that and never have any sort of worthwhile fall out.
So while Keb is right that we’ve seen something that is normally never shown in TV I don’t think it’s actually a positive note for the show because of the way it’s treated, which is to say it’s not treated at all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I guess one can look it up, but I wonder about the contradictions: like Henry one day saying he doesn’t like Hook, and on another episode helping him find a house for Emma and him. Is this written by the same writers?
Shattered Sight: Scott Nimfero and Tze Chun (Henry doesn’t like Hook)
Birth: David H. Goodman and Jerome Schwartz
So, nope. Not the same writers. But I think you’re overall point is the same…there’s a pretty disconnect in how characters are written and portrayed from episode to episode.
The thing is, if this is really the case, then it’s still on Adam and Eddy. Adam and Eddy have final script approval, so if they see any problems with the way their writers are writing their characters, then they should step in and tell them “no, you can’t do this. This isn’t how we want to portray the characters. Fix it.”
However, this is also true which means that A and E either 1) don’t really understand their characters 2) don’t really care if there are inconsistencies or 3) don’t see the inconsistencies in writing from week to week.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh it might be too high-flying for ABC for sure, I’m just not sure A and E would care that pieces of their audiences haven’t heard of Persephone if they stuck in references to her with some sort of exposition. Sorta like they did for Charon (Henry: “Charon? He used to ferry souls in the old myths.” slight paraphrase but something like that in 5×11)
Though, maybe I should stop #hoping for the Greek myths to make an appearance. I’m pretty scared about what they are going to do to my warm and happy place.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"LOL okay. So maybe my first question was an easy one. I honestly expected some resistance on that. Like, “how could you think that?! This whole show started with them (and Regina)!”
So maybe instead of a broad issue we tackle a smaller one that will help us look broadly.
One of the most controversial things to happen in S4B was Snow and Charming kidnapping the Lily-Egg. However we have seen Snow and Charming tackle hard problems before. What was it about this event that made us all just a tad too uncomfortable? And using Snow and Charming as a lens, what does it say about the nature of heroism and villainy on the show?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"like Demeter actually ending up being some sort of problematic figure.
OMG you shush and stop giving them ideas. They can’t touch Demeter. She’s too awesome.
Anyway, pulled out my copy of the Homeric Hymn to Demeter. These lines struck me…
And the Lady Mother [Demeter] heard her.
And a sharp pain seized her heart. The headband on her hair
she tore off with her own immortal hands
and threw a dark cloak over her shoulders.
She sped off like a bird, soaring over land and sea,
looking and looking. But no one was willing to tell her the truth,not one of the gods, not one of the mortal humans,
not one of the birds, messengers of the truth.
Thereafter, for nine days did the Lady Demeter</p>
wander all over the earth, holding torches ablaze in her hands</p>"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
