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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
Phee screenshot’d them: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/wheres-the-camelot-crew/page/2/#post-313884
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Did we know this? That’s interesting. I later googled it to see if I could find the tweets and found this on a wiki:
We have them saved in a thread over in 511, including Adam’s “this never happened” tweets
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Friends wouldn’t stroke each others faces while they sleep.
LIES!
My guess is that the title just means that Ruby’s gonna end up using the slippers to go home to SB.
So basically Red’s gone from “Oh no, I want to leave Storybrooke to find other wolves to explain my absence from the show despite being off screen in Storybrooke anyway for most of post season 1” to “I want to go back to Storybrooke to exist off screen just like I did before I decided to take a magic plot convenient bean out of there in the first place”
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Regarding the slippers, I do have to ask one question. Can you bring companions along the way via hand holding while wearing them? I don’t recall they ever ruled out that possibility.
They never ruled it out. I’m guessing they are saying you can take someone if you hold their hand or something while clicking your heels.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It was the manipulative author behind it all.
Matt already gave the in-universe explanation but what you pointed to–the manipulative author–is maybe one of the most meta commentaries about the show possible. Issac, the author, was a total stand-in for Adam and Eddy (right down to the famous #NoSpoilers line from Isaac in the AU). He was, essentially, a writer who changes the fundamentals of a character to fit the sort of story they want to tell. The finale of S4 was so self-aware that it makes me think that A and E are actually more aware of what they’ve done to their story than I have previously credited them with.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Many of us felt that this resulted in character assassination for the two characters. They kidnapped a baby, doomed said baby with Emma’s darkness, sent said baby to another land, and kept lying to Emma to hide their shame in present day Storybrooke. The writers likely came up with this idea because they had been struggling to do anything interesting with Snow and Charming for a while, thus this twist was created to mix things up a bit.
Yes. And I would argue that this is a larger problem in media, not just OUAT. In order to be interesting, to have your story told, you have to be a darker/grey sort of character. It’s the rise of the antihero (and sometimes straight up villain) who are made out to be, yes, sympathetic but also designed to get the audience to empathize with said character. Not only do we feel bad for said characters but we begin to believe that their actions were necessary and that we would take the same course of action. I mean, how many times have we seen someone justify Regina’s slaughter of an entire village or try and rationalize Graham’s rape? But in order to get your audience to have both sympathy and empathy, you have to tear down the heroes and morally upright individuals. You cannot have them be the epitome of all that is fair and just and good whilst you’re trying to convince your audience to be moved by the antihero/villain.
Since the end of S1, the focal shift moved from a story about the heroes in which the villains find redemption through family and forgiveness to a villains tale in which the heroes are to blame for everything and, like Matt said, not as heroic as everyone believes. As I sit here typing, I can’t quite figure out if the focal shift (from heroes to villains) goes along with the thematic shift (from family to romance) but I do think they work together. A and E and the rest of the writers began to focus more on the villains (probably in large part to their popularity) and decided that the best way to redeem them would be through a romantic partner who saw past their dark past, thus enter OQ and CS. (I have no idea what to do with Rumbelle at this point because I would have included them in that list but…then S5A finale happened).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Can they bring the show back to what made it great even with the loss of Neal? I still think they can.
Well, of course they could; they’re writers who create a fantasy universe where magic happens on a weekly occurrence. They can do just about anything with their pens/keyboards. It’s not all about Neal. Killing Neal was a symptom of the change and the best example anyone can point to in order to demonstrate the sort of change that took place, but not the change itself. I’d agree with something @Gautheria said in another thread that Neal was a node in network that worked together. They may have killed the node but that doesn’t mean the network can’t still work; but on top of killing the Neal-node, the writers dismantled the network. What took the networks place is the creature that I keep calling OUAT version 2.0 and that version has no place not only for Neal but for version 1. It’s not the same show anymore and while you could make a case that you can always fix something that is broken, I could counter it with the fact that in doing so would fracture the show even more. S3B-5A might be thematically disconnected from S1-S3A, but 3B-present at least work together in its clumsy, morally bankrupt way. To suddenly revert back to Version 1 would give everyone whiplash.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But is it Mulan or is it Red? The obvious answer would be Mulan but then there’s the new title…. but other than that, having it be Dorothy with all the LGBT connotations Oz already has…slightly eye roll worthyy.
Someone remind me, have we seen Merida yet? It would make sense for her to appear in this episode given her history with Mulan.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
