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Hook choosing to sacrifice himself in the end is how all that gets undone.
That’s what is going to happen, to parallel Emma at the end of 4B
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We know. Daniel knows. He’s podcasting. Trust me, I told him around 10 am this morning. just hang tight.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"First, yes, I know the forums are looking strange. Daniel knows. Trying to fix.
Okay, onwards to 510. This one gets mostly an eye roll and a “whatever” from me. I didn’t actually hate it totally but it also feels as though most of what is happening/was said will be reversed before the season as a whole is over. So what’s the point in getting invested, speculating, or trying to analyze characters?
LIKED
–“Hi…” LOL at DO Clippy Rumple
–Rumple declaring his love to Belle at Regina’s. I actually felt something.
–The Rumple/Hook fight was really well done
–“Baby Hood…” LOL
–“Once you go green, you’ll never go Queen” WOW
–Belle’s pink coat
–I actually really appreciate Belle having the courage to say that she needs space and time to figure out what she should do next. (And yes, it probably wouldn’t have happened if EdR wasn’t pregnant but I’ll give the show this one)
–We were right about the Underworld coming back.
–Love sick puppy dog. Are the writers secretly reading the SF thread here at ONCE Podcast?
MIXED (warning: some anti-CS thoughts in first post)
–Okay, the big one. I actually really enjoyed Evil! Hook and everything he was saying to Emma. It was vile and cruel and totally in line with the sociopath he is. The problem is that a few episodes down the road, it won’t matter. It will be hand waved away as “he was under the control of the Darkness and meant none of the horrible things he said” and CS will be once again sold as a love story for the ages. Yeah, no. How do you go and forgive someone who said those things to you AND killed someone in front of you because he doesn’t trust you? So A+ for showing that Hook is “once a pirate, always a pirate” but major F- because I know it won’t damper A and E’s love affair with a truly problematic relationship
–A wild Lancelot is spotted! And then told to go see his mommy. ‘kay. Bye bye one more Person of Color! But at least he didn’t die.
–They admitted that Zelena did something vile to Robin. But they don’t actually name it. It’s rape, writers. You should know. You use it often enough. Just call it what it is. It was rape.
DISLIKED
–So much kissing! Did we need that much kissing?
–Hook killing Merlin. Again, the PoC served their purpose and then was promptly killed by a white main character to further the white character’s story. It’s OLD, OUAT. It’s so old. I cannot applaud the brave choice in casting a PoC Merlin and Gwen when they become slaves to white characters, are raped by white characters, and killed by white characters. It’s vile.
–Dark One Chronicles. Really? So where was that like 5 years ago?
–“There are always loopholes” And that right there is the number one problem with this show. They have no sense of world building. It’s willy nilly, fly by the seat of your pants storytelling.
–Milah would be “soiled but returned” if Rumple had just fought for her. I cannot with this line. I cannot with the morality of this show. I cannot.
–Blood of a man who had been to hell and back. That might be the dumbest Magical McGuffin yet.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This episode doesn’t rank in my top three of the season, but it’s about middling for me. There is a very big problem with pacing in this week’s episode. We spent the first 20 mins running around like mad, from the castle to the Doctor’s mind palace (whoops, wrong Moffat show…) and back again. And then the narrative came to an abrupt halt as the Doctor worked in 82 min increments to figure everything out. Then it all went off the rails as we watched the *same* events play out again and again and again for 2 billion years. All of that is fairly characteristic of Moffat, but the truly egregious thing, to me at least, is that when the Doctor finally got out of his Underworld experience and found himself on Gallifrey, we didn’t get a single moment to breathe and take it all in, instead Moffat had Wandering Gallifrey Boy approach the Doctor and the next big plot point (hybrid) come into the narrative. All these big whollops and reveals, one right after the next, makes the episode feel jam packed and heavy and confused. Moffat has got to remember to let us breathe and he *needs* to ease up off that throttle.
LIKED
–Peter Capaldi. He is magnificent. Even though I had some issues (clearly) with the script, the man knows how to act.
–Some great music cues.
–Gallifrey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
–Clara’s one line about basically getting over her death because everyone loses people they love. Including the Doctor. I am hopeful (twitch) that this Moff’s way of assuring us that the Doctor isn’t going to be in mourning forever over this one companion
MIXED
–The Doctor is the hybrid. Yeah yeah yeah, the movie says he’s half human/half Time Lord. But it’s bothersome that Moff is going to pull one of the tidbits that most of the fandom doesn’t like and use it for his own plot. However, I’m willing to see where it goes next week.
DISLIKED
–The pacing of this episode was all over the place, I was bored 20 mins in, and excited and seriously confused by the end.
–The mind palace trick is cool but we don’t need to see it every single time the Doctor thinks he is going to die. Also, it’s a total riff on Sherlock. I get it Moff, you run both shows!
–So the little Gallifrey boy just happened to be right in that exact spot when the Doctor stepped out? Convenient much?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I have a lot of very mixed thoughts on 9×11 so I’ll only give a few things here and now:
1) Peter Capaldi is a genius and he makes this entire episode. Moffat is too far up his own…ego… for this episode to be anything but overly complicated, overly “art house” and overly indulgent. But Capaldi is basically an acting god.
2) No but really. Moffat take five steps back and remember the roots of this little 2 cent BBC show, kay?
3) Oh ye god. Fine. You want to pull in some canon from the Movie (8th Doctor). Great. I love the movie and Paul McGann. However (gods, however) did it have to be the one thing that like 99.5% of the fandom *hates?!* The Doctor is the hybrid because the movie decided he was half human/half time lord. The fandom…did not enjoy that.
4) Is the Doctor about to become the Valeyard? (Oh please say yes, please say yes. I do so love Trial of a Time Lord)
More later
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In no particular order
1. A Song of Ice and Fire series–George RR Martin
2. The Harry Potter Series–JK Rowling
3. Crime and Punishment–Fydor Dovtovesky
4. Pride and Prejudice–Jane Austen
5. Wuthering Heights–Emily Bronte
6. Jane Eyre–Charlotte Bronte
7. Gone with the Wind–Margaret Mitchell
8. Misquoting Jesus–Bart Erman
9. American Gods–Neil Gaiman
10. The Odyssey–Homer
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This thread has been woooooshed. In other news: given the casting of Young! Hook and the title, someone lay odds that the Devil and Papa!Hook/the Jones Family have a history.
The Young Hook news was for 511. He already filmed.
Oh that’s right. Thanks. But, Imma still sticking with the theory that the Jones’ are somehow tied up with Mr. Hades.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"See, I see both Watcher and Matt’s points on this matter.
On the one hand, Hook killed the one guy who apparently could rip the darkness from Emma. I doubt Snowing are going to be thrilled about that and eager to help the pirate who “ruined” their daughter’s chances of being non-DO! Emma again.
But, on the other hand, CharMill clan have never *not* trusted Emma when she had a plan. They followed her in NVL, the followed her against all the various villains who have infected their lives. They are supposed to believe in Emma and believe that, no matter what, the Emma they love is “in there” somewhere. So they should have trusted that Emma’s plan would be possible, simply because it’s Emma’s. The fact that Emma has no faith in her family, Regina, ect seems disingenuous to her character because she’s been trusting them for some time, including most recently giving Regina the dagger.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well, some are thinking that either Hook’s father is immortal or he somehow ended up working for Hades.
My current theory is that PapaJones bartered his soul to Hades.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
