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But insofar as we’re asked to be invested into the drama of CS in relation to Dark!Swan — the irony is that the darling ship isn’t even well written.
It’s really not, and it’s getting worse each season. This year is particularly odious with Hook yelling that the “good” Emma isn’t even “here” anymore (while conversely Regina still sees the good, Henry still sees the good, Snowing believe in their daughter, and in a past story Belle always saw the man behind the beast and always believed that when you find someone you love you don’t give up on them).
I wish I could be as optimistic as Slurpeez is about this and that the writers are trying to drive home some sort of truth about CS–how it’s not True Love, how it’s barely even love because Hook can’t love all of Emma or something–but I just don’t have any faith in the writers anymore. I think CS is absolutely endgame, I think there will be some changes in fortune where suddenly Hook’s love begins to work on Emma for *magical handwave* reasons that will never be fully explained or explored because the writers are focused on the resolution (Dark!Swan saved probably by TLK or something CS-y) instead of the journey to resolution.
I think it’s far more likely that no one on the staff is talking to each other/reading each others work/watching their own show. There is such a disconnect from episode to episode; for no one to say “we probably shouldn’t have Regina be able to see the good in Dark!Swan but then have the man we’re romantically linking Emma to not be able to see the good and instead act like a petulant man-child”—-yeah, problematic.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Some more passing thoughts since I have more time to read:
Did Emma (Jennifer Morrison) cast the curse herself?
EDWARD KITSIS AND ADAM HOROWITZ: Can’t say.I don’t think this is a “yes” actually. Who’s heart would she have taken?? I’m leaning toward Guinevere killing Lancelot.
Snow and Charming are standing up for their daughter now, but is there a line she could cross that would change that?
KITSIS: Sure.This is a really poorly worded question. It doesn’t ask if Emma will cross a line, but that there is potentially a line that she could theoretically cross. There’s always a line, which is what Eddy is responding to.
Will Hook being able to take a heart be revisited this season?
HOROWITZ: YesBut…what? He shouldn’t have been able to take a heart in the first place but I guess this is the newly inserted EQ/Hook adventure we were told about. Never mind that I have no idea how this fits into the timeline (unless it’s the forgotten year.) (oh ye gods. The timeline is already massively screwed up)
Is Hook’s father (Adam Croasdell) alive in present day?
HOROWITZ: Can’t say.Of course he is. He’s probably being held captive by Hades in the Underworld for making some sort of deal with the “devil” and his sons only THINK PapapJones abandoned them. We all know how this story goes.
Are the symbols on Hook’s ring a clue to his past?
KITSIS: Yes.Admittedly I don’t pay any attention to Hook’s rings so what symbols?
Now that Gold (Robert Carlyle) has a white heart, any chance of having Henry and Rumple’s relationship develop?
KITSIS: There’s always a chance.
HOROWITZ: He’s quite the grandpa.I’ll just sit here and eat this packed lunch while I wait for the show to acknowledge that Rumple is Henry’s grandpa.
Could Gold be the new savior?
KITSIS: Can’t say.That’s a no.
While Emma is evil, will we see her interact with Lily (Agnes Bruckner) at all?
KITSIS: No.
HOROWITZ: Not in the first half of the season.She’s in the bathroom isn’t she?
Will there be a wedding this season?
KITSIS: Can’t say.
HOROWITZ: I mean, we’d love to say, but we can’t.Well that’s a yes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But they didn’t HAVE to kill Neal, and hence change the entire story.
You’re right; they didn’t. As many of us have said before, it’s a long jump from “make CS happen” to “kill Neal.”
I just don’t get it — they were able to secure many amazing actors, regularly work with fairly prominent writers, and yet the show seems to be getting more simplistic with every season. My point is that I don’t understand what the payoff is. My only explanation is that A&E were told that they had to broaden OUAT’s audience, and to do so they decided to turn it into a soap.
I have no idea what the payoff is either unless it’s literally a payoff (ie: they got to keep their jobs/show). I mean, you read their interviews and they still stand 100% behind their decisions. A and E call killing Neal bold storytelling and the day after 315 Adam tweets a picture of a Black Guard holding a knife to his throat and saying “so I guess some people are upset with me after last night’s episode.” So if it is an executive bullying situation–which is still where I lean–it wasn’t one A and E tried to fend off.
And there are hints of the original story still embedded within the current show. Emma going dark? I continue to believe that was always planned (insert RG’s long winded heroes journey speech here). But like @dontstopbelieving would say if she were here, OUAT is like a bridge and in killing Neal, the writers removed all the support beams and replaced them with Styrofoam (ie: the pirate) and thus it can no longer hold up to scrutiny. It’s especially painful this season because you tell that it was supposed to be Neal doing a lot of what Hook is doing (though with more grace and love). It would have made for really beautiful, logical, and circular storytelling.
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"because we honestly don’t know if Merida will stay into the 2nd half of the Season.
See, that’s why I think it will be Merida. They want to silence the critics who are calling them out on not doing non-heterosexual love stories, but they don’t want to actually explore it with any real depth. Having one half of the new shiny ship go live on Forgotten Character Island makes sense. They can have Mulan say, “oh Merida is off doing such and such” (being Queen of her newly healed, no longer warring kingdom, as a for instance)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wonder what color it is/will be when she is no longer the dark one
I’d say probably white/light yellow like her magic is
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Um, Belle doesn’t know everything that happened when Regina took her heart, but she KNOWS her heart was removed and Gold and Will TOLD her that Regina took it to get back at Gold. Eddy, why do you think we don’t actually watch your show?
To restate
*hits head on desk until she is bleeding from her skull*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Whose going to die?
PRAYER CIRCLE FOR RUBY, Y’ALL.
PRAYER. FLIPPING. CIRCLE.
Will we see Belle (Emilie de Ravin) confront Regina over taking her heart? KITSIS: She is unaware that it happened
*hits head on desk until she is bleeding from her skull*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just don’t think they’d do Camelot and NOT bring in Morgana
I think it’s likely that they’ve merged Morgana with other characters. Guinevere, being one of them, but also Emma. A dark enchantress with powerful magic trying to take away something that is Arthur’s?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
