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On the other hand, there’s the fandom effect: people get on team Hook, team Regina, team Rumple etc. and become really hard to budge, no matter how problematic the characte
Emotional Truths. We just dig in deeper.
“I can’t be that person anymore, Swan. I have to go.” Or whatever, but something more ambivalent, or self-aware or something.
Yup.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"When it comes to what happened to Jerome I am of two minds.
1) As a comic book nerd, the idea of the Joker having a clear origin story did bug me. He’s never supposed to have one; he’s just representative of all the chaos and anarchy in Gotham and he’s the antithesis to what Bruce is striving towards.
BUT
2) On the other hand, Jerome was so engaging and watchable as the Baby! Joker, that I really found myself not caring that they were giving the Joker an origin story. I welcomed it because, while really not “okay” from a canon standpoint, Jerome’s performance really sold me and I would have watched, gladly, what they did with him.
So overall, I’m really bummed they killed Jerome. He was the high selling point of this season so far. He’s far more interesting than any of the other villains at present. Penguin started off as the high point but I’m not as engaged by him as I was with Jerome. Nygma is fascinating but he is too often sidelined. Theo…okay, Theo is interesting BUT he’s so totally in the vein of “Daredevil’s” Wilson Fisk (bad guy who wants to be lauded as a hero. He wants to clean up the city that he’s willing to burn it to the ground in order to rebuild it) that I find myself comparing the two. And, well….Vincent D’Onofrio’s Wilson Fisk was just mind blowing and Theo’s actor isn’t quite up to that largely because Gotham doesn’t go for the subtle nuances in portrayals that Daredevil did.
Other bits and pieces
–Barbara beyond bonkers is my favorite sort of Barbara. One of the smartest things this show did was make her crazy.
–I am so worried for Harvey. I think they’re gonna off him. BUT when the show gives Donal Logue something, man does he make it sing. His “talk” with Penguin was dynamite. “You’ll always be that umbrella boy…” #NailedIt
–Baby Batman didn’t bother me so much this round, though good LORD I could do without trying to make 13 year old have romantic relationships. If Baby! Batman and Baby! Catwoman want to grow up and have BatCats then by all means…but let them be kids for awhile. I also just don’t think they have anything in common. I also agree that the writers don’t know what to do with Selina right now.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"There are some things you don’t need a code of honor for, though. He so rapidly turned to “pirate manner” even though some of it is wrong, code or no code (rape). For Killian to say, “hey. I don’t need to follow a code now so I can get women drunk and take advantage of them” to me (and maybe only to me) suggests that there was always a part of him that was drawn to darkness. He was/is absolutely obsessive and it manifests pre-pirate; we also saw him enforcing HIS rules to the sailors that were under him because they didn’t adhere to what he thought was right. What I’m saying is that while he might not have been whoring and drinking his way up and down the coast, there is something in him that was always…not so good–like everyone else on this show. His obsessive nature manifests in both Killian Jones and Captain Hook.
Based purely on the script, it seems to me like Hook is still being portrayed as Emma’s Mr. Wrong.
Yes but the writers don’t recognize that they are portraying him that way. There’s a disconnect. The writers are just following typical storytelling with bad boys who are never 100% reformed but who get the girl anyway simply because 1) they are hot and 2) women are objects who don’t know their own mind and golly if they just gave the guy a chance, they’d see how great he is! and 3) because gosh darn it, he really loves her and that’s all that matters! They are portraying him as Mr. Wrong (because most women would go screaming into the night if they had this sort of attention) but the writers don’t realize they are portraying him as Mr. Wrong. The things you point out that they are throwing in are great in showing us why he’s all wrong for Emma, but the writers aren’t reading them as such…they are just there for plot and never advanced beyond that episode (ie: the hand never came back up nor what Rumple said) (Henry not liking Hook, yet he seems to have no problem with him in the S4 finale or in 501) (Hook teaching Henry how to cheat and scoffing at the idea of honor but no one ever finding out and neither of Henry’s mothers becoming enraged)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It just dawned on me…but Merida and Snow showed no signs of knowing each other. So..there goes that headcanon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Meanwhile, Mary Margaret discovers the fate of her old friend Lancelot.
Pretty much 100% confirms that he’s alive (Since she already believes that he is dead – that means she discovers that he’s alive).
Alive but likely on some sort of mission hence why we didn’t see him in 502
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"15 cookies that they don’t actually call it the Holy Grail, only “special relic”
Also, looks like we’ll finally get the answer to the question of if Lance is alive or not
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"David embarks on a quest to retrieve a magical relic
Plot device #225664456788
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Healing magic is not too expensive, I think. It costs more for a fatal wound, like when Snow used/didn’t use the candle–Eva & Rumple couldn’t just be cured by simple magic; someone had to die if they were to live. When Rumple cured Whale and Belle, none of those injuries were yet fatal–bad, but not fatal. Same with all the times Regina and Emma have used healing magic before–bad injuries perhaps, but with treatment, they could be cured. The arm on Whale probably cost more–but he could have survived losing an arm with proper treatment. Therefore not a life-cost. …yes, I’m still trying to make the show make sense.
Here’s the thing. You could be totally right. Your logic is….well, logical. But the issue is that in universe it’s never logical, it never seems to follow any sort of rules or guidelines.The world building is such that there is no logical explanation for anything, as if they are (literally) making it up week to week and story to story.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Everything Nevermore just wrote. Yup.
ETA: Slurpeez, I read your post but I don’t have a whole lot to say back. While it’s true that Killian Jones was a presented as having a code of some sort, it was so brief (and so vaguely drawn) that I honestly can’t say what his code entailed, didn’t entail, and how honestly he’d adhere to it. I mean, you look at traditional sailors of the era that Hook’s at least dressed in and their history, it’s full of men with a code who do unspeakable things. What I do know is that when he did turn pirate, he embraced it fully (all the icky parts as well) and I’m not 100% that his pre-pirate life wasn’t ever icky. It might not have been fair nor accurate to say “that’s all he’s ever been” it’s also not a total falsehood either.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"For whatever reason, TVByTheNumbers has adjusted OUAT’s renewal chances to 4 smiley faces, matching it with the Reaper’s prediction: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/10/06/abc-renewcancel-standings-week-2-blood-oil-is-on-a-slippery-slope/476617/
How…odd. Well, more optimistic than I would think, I guess.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
