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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/09/once-upon-time-episode-501-dark-swan_77.html
YouTube when I get it guys
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Shouldn’t Emma know who Merida is? I mean, its 2014 in Once-time right?
In theory, yes she should. But that would require Emma to have been paying attention to culture in 2012. And she would have been arriving in SB/undergoing S2 when Brave came out so I can actually fanwank a pretty reasonable explanation for why she doesn’t know Merida
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I predict a 2.2 premiere but I’ll do you one better I predict that this seaeson’s season low will be a 1.0- 0.9 and the premiere will be the high or the 100th episode (spring premiere) given the show’s track record I don’t think it’s going to hold a 2+ rating for longer than two episodes and then maybe again for spring premiere also I think Once will get a season 6 so long as there are no contractual issue does anyone know is this is a contract year for anyone?
It should be a contract year for nearly everyone. They typically go in 2 or three years. Bobby got a 5 year very early on. But for everyone else, they probably got 2 years in the beginning and then another 3 after 2nd season. So really, everyone’s contract is basically up at the end of 5.
As for your prediction….I dont think we’re going to fall that low. That’s Wonderland territory. I think we might hit a new low of 1.3-1.4 towards the end of the season but no lower.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"#2
http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/09/once-upon-time-episode-501-dark-swan_24.html
YouTube version when I get it
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Excellent analysis Jo! Man, can’t believe we made it through one book already.
Also, why am I sitting here crying over a book I’ve read at least 10 times?? (It’s when Hagrid gives Harry the photo album. GAH. Right through the heart, that moment).
Unlike TV shows that often pull this bait and switch, it feels authentic. In rereading, you discover that J. K. Rowling at no point has lied to the reader. We take the opinion of an eleven year old at face value and trust everything he thinks and sees, but then realize that maybe that isn’t the wisest thing to do. It’s a lesson for both Harry and the readers that evil comes in many forms and we must examine all the evidence before jumping to conclusions.
Yes, well said. We talked about confirmation bias a few pages back. Once Snape is seen as the Black Hat of the current novel, every piece of “evidence” no matter how shaky is seen as evidence for what is already confirmed in the trio’s head: Snape is bad. Snape is trying to steal the stone. But you’re right; at no point did JKR lie. That is something that has really stood out to me in this first book upon re-reading.
This is what Harry’s spying, obsession, and preparation has lead to. RG goes into the monomyth better than anyone so I’ll let her handle the technical terms on that score. But we have reached the zenith in our tale.
Congrats, Harry Potter! You’ve reached the end of your Quest and have obtained the Object!
I talk a lot about archetypes but they aren’t always people; sometimes we use the word tropes to describe a common and reoccurring motif in literature/media. There are archetypical tropes and “The Quest” is one of them. The Heroes Journey is the journey the Hero goes on from start to finish of his narrative, and often embeded in that journey is a quest that ultimately leads him to a katabasis and anabasis (coming up from the Underworld).
So, if books 1-7 are really the entirety of Harry’s Hero Journey, then each individual book can be seen as an individual quest. And that’s really what the heroes journey is: the Hero goes on a Quest to obtain an Object and along the way is aided by a Supernatural Guide and must face the Villain who represents Death and his heroism is tied to conquering said Villain/Death. That’s…it’s. That’s the heroes journey in a broad nutshell. There are nuances and stages and side adventures, but the nitty gritty is just that.
This final chapter is the end of Harry’s first quest, to find the Sorcerer’s Stone.
Using Quirrell as a host, he seeks out the power of the Sorcerer’s Stone to regain a corporeal form and return to the prominence that he once held.
Using Quirrell in the manner he does, also shows that Voldemort is more than just ruthless, he’s a sociopath. He has absolutely no feelings of guilt, regret, compassion, or tender feelings toward his followers and the people he uses on a daily basis for *his* end goals. Voldemort has that unique charisma that sociopaths and cult leaders so often have where he can make someone feel like they are the most important person in the inner circle, but the truth is that the Cult Leader (Voldemort) couldn’t care less about Quirrell. The professor is a means to an end, if the end isn’t going to be met, then Voldemort will gladly quit his presence.
I think at some point, maybe a few books down the road?, we should talk about whether or not Voldemort deserves any pity. (probably around book 6…lol). Is he a victim of circumstance? Do the actions of the villains negate any and all sympathy we might feel once we get the fleshed out story? To put this in OUAT terms: did episodes like “Desperate Souls” “The Stable Boy” “The Miller’s Daughter” cause you to change your stance on the villains and does the same apply to Voldemort? Is he capable of garnering sympathy from the reader?
1. How did you feel the first time you read the story when it was revealed that Professor Quirrell was the perpetrator and not Professor Snape?
So, I was about 11 when HP: SS came out. Now, with all the humility I can muster, I was a reasonably intelligent 11 year old, but I was surprised. Everything about Snape screams classic Black Hat (the man is even dressed in black for pity’s sake). Not only did JKR build Snape to look suspicious, but she built Quirrell to be anything but. Not only is he more timid than Snape, but she gave him certain characteristics that instantly garner sympathy: his fear of the Dark Arts (and also laced with irony given that he’s the DADA teacher), his stutter is a big one because any sort of developmental or handicap issue almost always illicit sympathy from the audience (*cough* giving Peasant! Rumple a limp *cough*).
2. How would you handle the answer Dumbledore gave on why Voldemort was after him as a baby if you were Harry? Would you have accepted it and moved on like Harry did?
Ooof. I don’t know, honestly. If Dumbldore had just saved my life like he had for Harry, then yeah, probably. But it would nag at me. Constantly.
3. By the end, we discover that Harry, Ron and Hermione suspect Dumbledore of setting them up to protect the Stone and that he “taught us just enough to help.” What do you think of Dumbledore’s teaching style? Ignoring real life consequences, was it a viable option considering what Harry will have to do in the future?
And we’re basically back to the one of the big questions I asked in the very first chapter: Does Dumbledore make the right decisions? There are lessons to be learned in life, and Harry as The Hero, must learn them. From a cosmic standpoint, then Dumbledore’s actions aren’t really the egregious simply because that’s what Harry has to go through; if the hero’s quest was easy, then everyone could do it and heroes are supposed to exceptional.
BUT…oh gosh, BUT…there are moments when I am reminded that Harry’s an 11 year old with almost no magical training. Like when all he can do is grip Quirrell/Voldemort and hope that it’s enough. He doesn’t use a wand or powerful spells. He’s not Dumbledore who can come charging in; he just has his hope that touch will be enough. And what if it hadn’t been. Dumbledore even admits that he feared that he had lost Harry for a short moment. The kid almost *died.* He’s in a coma for three days! Harry doesn’t resent Dumbledore for this because Harry seems to understand his own archetype even without all the information Dumbledore will later provide but still…11 year old, alone, against a great evil.
Moments that made me cry
Jo and I were talking about this the other night; I’ve read this book countless times (as has she and probably all of us) yet it doesn’t change the fact that I get really teary eyed at certain moments in this final chapter.
–Dumbledore explaining the power of love
–Hagrid and the photos
–Dumbledore awarding Harry 60 points for sheer bravery.
–Harry, Ron and Hermione crossing the barrier TOGETHER. The little boy who went through his liminal place alone, without a family, friendless, and absolutely afraid, crosses back into the mundane world with two best friends, a new home at Hogwarts, and having faced Death Itself. *cue me bawling*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah Jesus is the big one, at least in our western culture since Christianity and the Christian mythos holds so much sway. A few others that are all older than Christianity. (well, except the last one…)
–Osiris. Murdered by Set and his body scattered out over the world. He went to the Underworld until his sister/wife Isis put his body back together (literally) with a rather…uh…fun exception. The gods were so impressed that they resurrected Osiris and declared him the god of the Underworld (apotheosis).
–Orpheus who went down to the Underworld to save his love Eurydice. (this did not go well…)
–Eastern traditions are not my specialty so I don’t have much there, but the Hindu stories have Yudhisthira who went down into hell to see his brothers.
–I’m fairly certain Odin descended once, maybe after he hung himself from Yggrdrasil?
–Less literal than an actual underworld, Buffy’s journey down to meet the Master in S1 is an katabasis (and ‘lo, she doth die and is reborn…)
So in conclusion, I’d have given up immediately. ?
Excellent. At least you’re honest!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
