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  • July 17, 2015 at 4:08 pm in reply to: Who Is Filming Now? Season 5 (PART 1) #306314
    RumplesGirl
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    Apparently Sneezy is the new Sheriff?: http://yvrshoots.com/2015/07/shoot-once-upon-a-times-new-storybrooke-sheriff-in-steveston.html#.Vale0PlVhBd

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    I…..don’t…..

    what?

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 4:05 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306313
    RumplesGirl
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    Okay, I be a little confused here.

    So say we all.

    I’ll refrain from judging too harshly at the moment, but gotta say, it feels a little like having ones cake and eating it too

    Which is why the narrative reason for Emma going fully dark after struggling against seems to be PLOT as opposed to a logical and concise in show reason. I suppose we could say we don’t know much about the dark curse and therefore don’t know the logical and concise rules, but…well your cake metaphor works. It’s easy to brush aside the criticism with “well we just don’t know.” (read: we don’t know because they don’t know and likely haven’t thought it out until now when they need to because…say it with me…PLOT)

     

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 3:58 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306311
    RumplesGirl
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    I have no clue what or who could possibly draw Emma back from the depths of madness and villainy, I’m wondering if even Henry is capable of it because based on JMo’s “free from responsibility and total freedom Emma” description she gave, will she just abandon Henry or just keep her distance from him to protect him, surely she wouldn’t hurt her own son.

    Unless it’s the Savior (her inner light) who does it (which I’d be fine with and heck..I would applaud the idea that Emma saves herself through her own determination of will and inner light. That’s a positive message) But there is an alternative that seems far more probable even if it doesn’t seem to make sense given what JMo is saying and what you just pointed out.

    A and E are stuck on their TLK’s. They like them. They love them. There is a clear, IMO, path here from what happened in the finale. I’ve said this before: there is a reason why Emma declared her love to Hook but did not kiss him before she went off to face the swirling vortex of terror while, across town, Rumple has had his darkness sucked out of him, thereby robbing Belle and Rumple of their iconic (and long demanded) Beauty and the Beast TLK that revives and cures the Beast.

    Therefore while it seems impossible that anyone–Henry, Hook, Snowing–could pull Emma back into the light with TLK (especially since Belle’s kiss in the Castle and then subsequent kisses in SB did not work with Rumple), it goes back to something else I’ve said repeatedly: it is less about the story now and more about the OMG! Tweetable moments that OUAT (and, to be fair, a *vast* majority of today’s media) are after. One of the “power” couples (no disrespect intended with quotes, promise) on the show breaking the *ultimate* darkness with TLK (something super iconic)? You better believe that’ll light up Twitter and get the news media attention.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 3:38 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306308
    RumplesGirl
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    Not to mention that the twist in Savior Emma sacrificing herself to save the whole town by absorbing all of the darkness into herself is eerily similar to when Savior Jesus was on the Cross taking all the world’s sickness and sins upon himself…..

    And then Jesus totally went EVUL and decided to take out the world he had just saved!!!!

    (hint: no)

    (second hint: that’s not a twist. That’s mythic storytelling 101)

    So if that really is what they are doing, then at some point, I’d assume Emma would have to die this season thus dying with all the Darkness in her. As Cora said “All that power would burst into thin air” thus destroying the threat of the Dark One forever, and then somehow, the gang would have to find a way to resurrect the Savior (pun intended). Which “voila” could bring us into Disney’s Hercules soon, as we all know Hades runs over the Land of the Dead.

    Eh possibly. She doesn’t need to literally die anymore. If this is her katabasis, and it really is, then she’s metaphorically dead because she’s now the Dark Swan, not the Savior. She’s making her way through the (metaphorical) underworld. She needs to come back to herself and transcend–her apotheosis–and become the mistress of two worlds (light and dark, the mythical and the real)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 3:35 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306307
    RumplesGirl
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    RumplesGirl wrote:

    Well there was this kid named Baelfire…. and lest we forget, one of Rumple’s first acts as the new DO was to stop a war and lead the children home to safety. It was not all about ALL ZE POWER.

    The difference is that Rumple became the Dark One to intentionally use the powers for those purposes, as noble as they initially were. When Emma sacrificed herself, it was because it was the only way to stop the darkness from destroying the town, not because she intended to actually use the Dark One powers. And lest we forget, Rumple also took those powers not just to save his son, but because he no longer wanted to be a powerless coward. One of the first things he did as the Dark One was kill Hordor and his men. Yes he was saving Baelfire from being drafted, but he didn’t necessarily have to resort to killing the soldiers.

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    You’re right Rumple didn’t have to kill and lot of his emergence as the Dark One stems from his own tortured background and (low) feelings of self worth. That’s what made him an such a fascinating antihero, villain. With Rumple there was always something lurking under the surface–namely Baelfire and his desire to find his child.

    Let me put it this way: if the writers want Emma to struggle (which I am all for) then let her struggle for the entire arc, like Rumple was shown to struggle with his inner darkness as it continued to consume him. Baelfire and then later Belle were his light. That’s fine and works for a show that like to play around with the very archetypical themes of light and dark. So… make the season about Emma’s back and forth–the never ending unceasing battle of light vs dark–that’s a great story (it’s the only story…). But to have dark win (if temporarily) in the face of the Savior’s light and True Love Incarnate DNA….that’s trickier and flies in the face of any established world building and story thus far.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 3:03 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306304
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    That, and there was a difference between Emma and Rumple’s intentions. When Rumple became the Dark One, he did so with the intent of gaining those powers and he willingly embraced the darkness within him. Emma, on the other hand, only became the Dark One to save the town, nor would she want to accept the darkness immediately the way Rumple did.

    Well there was this kid named Baelfire….

    and lest we forget, one of Rumple’s first acts as the new DO was to stop a war and lead the children home to safety. It was not all about ALL ZE POWER.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306303
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    She forced the darkness back into the dagger and then into herself as an act of love and sacrifice. It

    It didn’t go into the dagger. It went into her, not dagger and then her.

    I think ultimately Emma will save herself from the darkness. She will succumb, because no one is all good and no one is all evil. We are all capable of falling short of grace. But ultimately good always wins and Emma being the product of True Love and Savior and all that has to travel down that road. It reminds me of your post on the Hero’s journey RumplesGirl

    Yes, I get this. As you point out, I obviously understand the mythological ins and outs here. But Emma isn’t a traditional hero in that she makes good choices and this alone makes her the hero. Her DNA, her fundamental being, is different from other hero archetypes. Harry Potter, at the end of it, was a boy. Temptation to the darkness is all well and good–as I pointed out back in that post, even Jesus goes through the Wilderness. But they don’t succumb; that’s the issue. Where’s the narrative impetus for Emma’s fall from grace? She’s been infected with the ultimate darkness but, as she should being True Love Incarnate, she manages to resist. That’s great. That’s a clear narrative follow through for the entire show (darkness = bad; light/love = good). But *why* does she cave? That’s the issue here. Sure she’s not all good, but she has resisted the baser instincts all along. And after 4B when she did start to crack a little only to rebound in the ultimate way–sacrificing herself for the town and those she loves–her moral center, her drive, her belief in the good should be stronger than ever. Not weaker.

    So the takeaway is that darkness beat light until…what? Light wins again? Through what–the love of her family? Well, they’ve loved her all along. The love Hook bears for her? Well, hasn’t Hook loved her for some time now? The love Henry bears for her? Again, Henry’s loved her all along. Emma’s self love? Well, did she not find her home, her family, her son, her purpose beginning with the end of S1 up to the present day, especially in the S3 finale and then during the Frozen arc and Queen of Darkness Arc. She accepted who she was, her powers, the whole part and parcel with Elsa in 408 (and then shot off fireworks for reasons).

    Emma is TL incarnate. Maybe it will take thr Darkness longer to infect her than it does with regular people. It has to battle against the light inside her perhaps. Its been established that TL is the strongest magic of all and that it can destroy the dark one curse. So I can believe it will take awhile before she gets converted fully.

    And that’s fine, like I said. The battle within could be interesting, but the issue is that the darkness wins. Or rather, Emma lets it win.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 1:38 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306298
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Here’s the thing I find troubling (okay, a few things)

    1) Rumple didn’t have a transition period. He went from Peasant Rumple to Dark One Rumple. Now he got darker as time went on, but there was no “battle within” for him. So why is it different for Emma?

    2) Why in the world does Emma give into the darkness if she’s able to resist. Yes, PLOT. But what’s the narrative reasoning? Are we trying to say that darkness is stronger than the savior and true love incarnate (which is what Emma has always been?) Is that the takeaway of this show? If Emma, as the Savior and True Love Incarnate, can resist the darkness then there should be no giving in unless the writers want the message to be that darkness overcomes light.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 12:39 pm in reply to: EW July 17: Emma Swan–Not the Dark One, YET #306296
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Well that (somewhat) explains the film pictures. Though, not all of them.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 17, 2015 at 8:30 am in reply to: Who Is Filming Now? Season 5 (PART 1) #306294
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Photos in front of Granny’s in Steveson. They’re building something?

    https://twitter.com/SarahHeartie/status/621906775042756609

     

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