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When Buffy finally told Spike she loved him in the last episode, he turned around and said “no you don’t but thanks for saying it”, he recognised that what they had was never the real deal.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. He was about to die so Buffy tried to give him a beautiful moment before he went; but instead of it getting almost fanfic-tastic Spike turns around and denies what Buffy is saying, but thanks her for it anyway. The writers never wanted to sell it as a love story for the ages because everyone recognized that 1) Buffy was still really emotionally damaged from living her life as the Slayer and dying twice 2) that Spike was only newly soul’d and had a lot of self-love to find and 3) their relationship had been heavily tinged with violence and deprivation because of Buffy’s status post Heaven-rip and Spike’s own “tamed” vamp status. What Spike did to Buffy was dealt with–it was discussed, it was brought up. It wasn’t shoved to the side and never mentioned. He wasn’t made out to be a saint–even if he did literally lay himself on a cross and bear his sins.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"EH GADS
Do I need to separate you two?
Knock off the attacks that are getting a bit too personal with regards to “favoritism”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m sure the mighty Sorcerer could whip up another quill rather easily. As far we know, he’s the originator of the mantle of the Author, after all.
I’m sure he could. But the Sorcerer isn’t in SB and thus far Henry has no way to communicate with the Sorcerer. Also, do we think that the Sorcerer would fork over a new quill just for Henry to go and change whatever is happening at present. Doubtful.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think Henry will be tempted to influence the story after all, now that his mother is the new Dark One.
Maybe but he has no means to do so.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And this made me wonder — was this a ratings-based decision? Apart from Hook’s popularity in and of himself, the way the relationship is being fleshed out is extremely simplistic and deeply unoriginal, up until now
Ratings coupled with the media frenzy around CS and Hook in particular.
I mean, goodness. Does anyone else remember the CRAZY media hype for 305 “Good Form”? Even before 304 aired (an episode all about Rumple and Neal and Pan) we had spoilers about the kiss, we have a picture, we had a gif set and then finally the sneak peek and gave away the whole shebang. Articles every which way about the CS kiss and from Colin about CS in general. When I finally got around to condensing the 305 spoilers into the 305 section, I remember it taking forever because there was so much *stuff*
Or remember back in S2 when we learned that ABC was pushing for more Hook in scenes? They keep suggesting, “put Hook here. Can you put Hook here? We’d like Hook here.”
Also, there are ways to tell that particular romance that subvert the trope — the relationship between Buffy and Spike comes to mind, in that it starts with almost the same bad boy/good girl premise (similarly, the girl is grieving for her lost love), but then does something very different from the expected stereotype. It’s kind of a heartbreaking dysfunctional relationship, but you still root and grieve for the respective characters. By contrast, CS for all its shiny shininess just leaves me completely unfazed — in no small part because, for all his swagger, Hook somehow manages to be astoundingly humorless and un-self-reflexive.
Bingo. I like Spuffy; I actually shipped them while watching BtVS–even though now, grown up, I recognize that it wasn’t as romantic as my younger self thought. But it had consequences! Spike did horrible things (and Buffy did some pretty horrible things right back) and they both had to pay for it. It wasn’t rug swept. It was dealt with and it wasn’t treated like the was the purest form of love in the history of ever! It was dark and twisted and the writers made sure you knew that. Even after it began to go stand in the sun for a bit in the end (because I need to use a vampire metaphor apparently) it still wasn’t sold as a honest to heaven love story.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think the Apprentice came over in the original curse. Somehow he was protected (no, don’t ask me how). He came over in the Snow-cast curse, but not Regina’s. He used the door or other plot device to get to our world and talk with Lily and apparently August.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree with POM as to why it didn’t work in Skin Deep. Rumple has to believe that he deserves love and that somebody could really truly love him for it to work.
I agree. So, if Rumple were still cursed and Belle tried true love’s kiss again, would it work this time?
Right this very moment in the Onciverse? No. Why? Because Rumple is still incredibly doubtful about his ability to BE LOVED. He needs some self healing before another can come in and show their love for him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Is it true love then? I think in order for it to be true love, both parties have to truly believe that they love each other. There shouldn’t be any doubt whatsoever in each person’s mind that they love each other. With Rumbelle though, doubt exists. Rumple doesn’t truly believe that Belle loves him even though she can tell him a million times that she does, he still doesn’t hear her.
Rumple loves Belle. Belle loves Rumple. Rumple has an issue believing that Belle can love him because he sees himself as unlovable. The doubt lies not with Rumple’s feelings towards Belle or Belle’s feelings toward Rumple but Rumple’s perception of Belle’s feelings.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Back to my original question, do Rumple and Belle still share true love – despite the fact he is not cursed anymore?
Well they didn’t share true love just because he was cursed. They shared TL because Belle is able to look past and loves all parts of him, even those bits that belong to the darkness. It’s just in S4 she couldn’t be his enabler anymore because his actions were having some serious consequences on her friends and family. Him no longer being cursed doesn’t negate her feelings toward him.
Keep in my mind, the only true love’s kiss they shared was not a complete true love’s kiss. Belle’s kiss only started to change but him but it wasn’t a complete effect.
I agree with POM as to why it didn’t work in Skin Deep. Rumple has to believe that he deserves love and that somebody could really truly love him for it to work.
But, now there is no curse to break so they won’t get their giant Rainbow moment.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
